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by Ralph-54 :: Rate this Message:

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I often refer people to 'Internal Combustion' by Edwin Black. Its a bit of a read, but explains things very well indeed (just for the record, EVs have been 'killed' by car companies and oil cartels numerous times over the last 17 years).

A lot of people want the short answer though. Car companies did not want a technology that cuts their after-market expenses by 90% (the AC motors used in most of the big-company EVs have a service life of 30 years without maintenance), and oil companies don't want to have power utilities (or whatever other means exists to make electricity) to be a player in their monopoly on transportation. So they colluded to kill the California mandate, succeeded, and that was the commercial end of EVs.

However, since then ('then' being 2003) suppliers of EV components have had difficulty in keeping components available on the shelf! Who is buying them? Consumers.

-Ralph


On Wed, 14 May 2008 14:42:19 -0500
Lee Hart <leeahart@...> wrote:

> My local EAA chapter had an exhibit at the Living Green Expo in St. Paul
> MN earlier this month. One of our state representatives visited, and
> became quite interested in EVs. He's been contacting us for additional
> information and offering help and advice.
>
> Interestingly enough, as soon as he began talking about EVs, he started
> receiving anti-EV propaganda. The same sort of thing happened to me the
> instant an article mentioning me appeared in Mother Jones magazine. It
> makes me suspect that oil and auto company PR organizations have set up
> "trip wires" that alert them the instant anything appears, and have
> prepared robot responses so they can instantly respond. A friend of mine
> called them "sock puppets" -- robot responses from nonexistent people
> that automatically appear to attack anything counter to the client's
> interests. Be on your toes!
>
> Anyway, here is one he sent us. He asked for a rebuttal. How should we
> respond?
>
> --------begin included document--------
>
> Did Consumers Kill The Electric Car?
>
> As detailed in "Who Killed the Electric Car?" and other sources, many
> observers and passionate EV1 fans feel that automakers and oil companies
> conspired to destroy the electric car. An alternative theory, however,
> is outlined below.
>
> After an early wave of interest, enthusiasm for the EV1 subsided because
> of the car___s limitations. First, EV1s were expensive; they cost two or
> three times as much as comparable gasoline powered cars. They could be
> leased (but not sold) for $400-600 per month. Second, the batteries
> ___could not supply the range or durability required by the mass market.___
> Third, the infrastructure for recharging was not in place. Fourth, the
> high voltages and operating temperatures of the batteries presented some
> unique safety hazards, and ___only a relative handful of mechanics knew
> how to work safely on the powerful batteries.___ Fifth, the EV1 was a tiny
> two-seater that simply did not work for families with children. Finally,
> the car was fast, but the handling was odd because of the heavy battery.
>   These limitations prompted an alternative-fuel specialist at J.D.
> Power & Associates to conclude that EV1s ___are just not acceptable to
> consumers.___ Honda had even less success with its electric vehicle, the
> Plus, leasing just 300 in three years.
>
> The final nail was driven into the electric car coffin by hybrid
> gas-electric cars like the Toyota Prius and the Honda Insight, which
> have maintained great popularity partly due to their ability to recharge
> while cruising down the road. Other automakers took note. Now virtually
> every manufacturer has announced that it will produce a hybrid vehicle
> by the end of the decade.
>
> Thus, as one commentator noted, it is likely that market forces, not
> nefarious tactics, killed the electric car: As the market success of
> cars like the Prius and the market failure of cars like the EV1
> illustrate, it wasn't a shortage that prevented battery electric
> vehicles from selling and it wasn't a desire not to offer clean vehicles
> that prompted manufacturers to stop producing them. The reason for the
> market response to these vehicles is because, if given the option, the
> general public would buy environmentally friendly automobiles if the
> sacrifices that had to be made to drive them were minimal. Accordingly,
> the level of sacrifices that has to be made to drive battery electric
> vehicles discourages all but the most enthusiastic consumers from
> leasing them.
>
> --------end included document--------
>
> Now, this is a *very* cleverly written piece of work. Nothing it says is
> an outright lie that you could prove false. It doesn't rant or rave; it
> sounds completely rational and objective. But it is designed to create a
> totally false impression!
>
> How do you counter such a thing? I think the key is to get as many solid
> facts and references as possible, but not bury the reader in statistics
> or it won't get read. You have to give someone who is entirely
> unfamiliar with the subject an objective view of the situation that will
> stand up to careful scutiny and fact-checking.
>
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in    --    Leonard Cohen
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
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