Re: DWR Scalabilty And Early Closing Mode

I guess have the ability to sit in the same page and function.  What I am
trying to determine is if at some point we decide to use a LightStreamer or
Blaze DS server, would we have to remove DWR completely.  Right now we are
using DWR to access Java objects on the client.  We are trying to determine
whether or not to use DWR in polling or comet mode.  A concern is the
scalabilty.  If we need to have a true push application with thousands of
clients, then a dedicated server like LightStreamer or Blaze DS may be
needed (i'm guessing).

Joe Walker-3 wrote:
>
> I think it depends on what you mean by "working with". Are you asking for
> DWR to use them as a network transport, or to be able to sit in the same
> page and still function.
>
> Joe.
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:59 PM, r123 <ronberna@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> So does this issue prevent DWR from currently working at all with
>> Lightstreamer or Blaze DS?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ron
>>
>> Joe Walker-3 wrote:
>> >
>> > Lightstreamer does a lot of stuff that DWR does not currently do, so I
>> > fully
>> > expect that it will scale better.  There is an issue to get DWR to use
>> > lightstreamer as a conduit: http://getahead.org/bugs/browse/DWR-49,
>> > however
>> > this is very low priority.
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 4:00 AM, r123 <ronberna@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> So would DWR in Full Streaming or Early Closing mode running on
>> Websphere
>> >> be
>> >> able to handle the 10,000 concurrent users that LightStreamer
>> advertises
>> >> that it can handle?  Also, is it possible to integrate DWR with
>> >> LightStreamer or Flex Blaze DS servers?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Joe Walker-3 wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > DWR does a lot to protect the server against overloading. In the
>> case
>> >> of
>> >> > Websphere, there is no custom plugin for their async servlet, so we
>> >> fall
>> >> > back to the servlet-api implementation which backs off connection
>> >> numbers
>> >> > to
>> >> > prevent overloading things.
>> >> >
>> >> > Early closing mode is there to prevent buggy proxies messing with
>> the
>> >> > responses - it's not about reducing load.
>> >> >
>> >> > What kind of latencies are important to you? If you're ok with
>> >> latencies
>> >> > of
>> >> >> 60 seconds, then you can configure DWR to poll, which should reduce
>> >> the
>> >> > server load.
>> >> >
>> >> > Joe.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:30 PM, r123 <ronberna@...> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We have a project that will run on a Websphere 6.1 server that
>> needs
>> >> to
>> >> >> send
>> >> >> data to the web client in real or near real time.  The data will be
>> >> read
>> >> >> from a JMS topic. We are considering using DWR "Reverse AJAX" to
>> help
>> >> >> push
>> >> >> this data from the web server to the web client.  There are some
>> >> concerns
>> >> >> about how this would scale as well as failover.  There is also a
>> >> concern
>> >> >> about the "push" vs. "pull" concept.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I read some about Early Closing Mode in DWR.  If I understood this
>> >> >> correctly, DWR will close the http connection after 60 seconds if
>> >> there
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> no activity.  A question I have is does it release the socket or
>> >> thread
>> >> >> once
>> >> >> that connection is closed?   Would this approach be able to scale
>> to
>> >> >> thousands of clients or would a dedicated server component like
>> Tibco
>> >> >> "Ajax
>> >> >> Messaging Service" which uses LightStreamer be needed in order to
>> >> handle
>> >> >> large numbers of clients?  The disadvantage I read about Early
>> Closing
>> >> >> Mode
>> >> >> is that many clients may possibly try to re-connect at the same
>> time.
>> >> >> How
>> >> >> big of an issue is this?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Any ideas on this would be greatly appreciated.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >> r123
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