Re: [VUA 45-1] Discontinuing clamav-data support for "plain" etch

[Ben Finney-2]

Marc Haber <mh+debian-packages@...> writes:

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Debian Volatile Update Announcement VUA 45-1     http://volatile.debian.org
> debian-volatile@...                                 Marc Haber
> March 19, 2008
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> [...]
> We therefore encourage people still using the clamav engine from etch
> to upgrade to etch-volatile at the earliest convenience.

Thanks very much for this detailed announcement. I found it when
searching for information on why my 'etch' hosts did not have an
updated 'clamav-data' package available, despite the output from
'debsecan' indicated a new version *is* available.

However, the instructions on <URL:http://www.debian.org/volatile/>
don't mention 'etch-volatile' at all, and explicitly instruct 'etch'
users to set 'etch/volatile' as the distribution in 'sources.list'
records. I currently have that, and (as announced above) it's no
longer getting 'clamav-data' updates.

Can that page please be updated to show how this 'etch-volatile'
should be configured?

In the meantime, what should I be setting in my
'/etc/apt/sources.list.d/volatile.debian.net.list' to enable
'etch-volatile' updates to hosts running 'etch'?

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[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

On 11.05.08 11:08, Ben Finney wrote:
> However, the instructions on <URL:http://www.debian.org/volatile/>
> don't mention 'etch-volatile' at all, and explicitly instruct 'etch'
> users to set 'etch/volatile' as the distribution in 'sources.list'
> records. I currently have that, and (as announced above) it's no
> longer getting 'clamav-data' updates.

the "Archive" section describes how to configure volatile. Maybe It should
be renamed to "How to use volatile?" to emphasize what id describes and
moved after "What is volatile?" section

> Can that page please be updated to show how this 'etch-volatile'
> should be configured?
>
> In the meantime, what should I be setting in my
> '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/volatile.debian.net.list' to enable
> 'etch-volatile' updates to hosts running 'etch'?

please read that section again and tell us what exactly you don't understand

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[Ben Finney-2]

Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar@...> writes:

> On 11.05.08 11:08, Ben Finney wrote:
> > However, the instructions on <URL:http://www.debian.org/volatile/>
> > don't mention 'etch-volatile' at all, and explicitly instruct 'etch'
> > users to set 'etch/volatile' as the distribution in 'sources.list'
> > records. I currently have that, and (as announced above) it's no
> > longer getting 'clamav-data' updates.
>
> the "Archive" section describes how to configure volatile.

Yes, but it doesn't mention anything called "etch-volatile", which the
announcement says I should be using.

It's not clear whether this is because there is no such thing as
'etch-volatile', or whether it's because the announcement or web page
is wrong, or whether they're both confusingly referring to the same
thing by different names, or something else.

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[Peter J. Holzer-3]

On 2008-05-11 17:08:45 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:

> Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar@...> writes:
> > On 11.05.08 11:08, Ben Finney wrote:
> > > However, the instructions on <URL:http://www.debian.org/volatile/>
> > > don't mention 'etch-volatile' at all, and explicitly instruct 'etch'
> > > users to set 'etch/volatile' as the distribution in 'sources.list'
> > > records. I currently have that, and (as announced above) it's no
> > > longer getting 'clamav-data' updates.
> >
> > the "Archive" section describes how to configure volatile.
>
> Yes, but it doesn't mention anything called "etch-volatile", which the
> announcement says I should be using.

deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free

is the one you are looking for. "etch-volatile" in the announcement
obviously was shorthand for "the etch part of the volatile archive".

(also, clamav in volatile is still at 0.92.1 - we are all eagerly
awaiting 0.93 to finish the build process. Maybe you aren't getting a
new clamav-data package because you already have the current one?)

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[Ben Finney-2]

"Peter J. Holzer" <hjp@...> writes:

> On 2008-05-11 17:08:45 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Yes, but it doesn't mention anything called "etch-volatile", which
> > the announcement says I should be using.
>
> deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free
>
> is the one you are looking for. "etch-volatile" in the announcement
> obviously was shorthand for "the etch part of the volatile archive".

Only obvious if one can eliminate all the other possibilities, which I
had no basis for doing since I didn't know whether this was something
new in the announcement or something I might be missing elsewhere.

I'd appreciate if the writers of the announcements could take this
potential confusion into account in future; it would be entirely
alleviated by simply using the same names as are given in the
instructions.

> (also, clamav in volatile is still at 0.92.1 - we are all eagerly
> awaiting 0.93 to finish the build process. Maybe you aren't getting
> a new clamav-data package because you already have the current one?)

That's likely the case, thanks.

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[Ben Finney-2]

"Peter J. Holzer" <hjp@...> writes:

> deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free

This matches the specification at
<URL:http://www.debian.org/volatile/> and it also matches my
'/etc/apt/sources.list.d/volatile.debian.net.list':

    deb http://volatile.debian.net/debian-volatile/ etch/volatile main

According to
<URL:http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/clamav/news/20080520T173605Z.html>,
the 'clamav' package version '0.93~dfsg-volatile1' was accepted to the
'volatile' archive on 2008-05-20.

However, it's still not appearing today when I update:

=====
bignose@protea:~$ sudo aptitude update
Get:1 http://mirror.internode.on.net etch Release.gpg [378B]
Hit http://mirror.internode.on.net etch Release
Get:2 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
Get:3 http://volatile.debian.net etch/volatile Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
Ign http://mirror.internode.on.net etch/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://mirror.internode.on.net etch/main Packages
Get:4 http://volatile.debian.net etch/volatile Release [40.7kB]
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
Ign http://volatile.debian.net etch/volatile/main Packages/DiffIndex
Get:5 http://volatile.debian.net etch/volatile/main Packages [6005B]
Fetched 46.9kB in 6s (7123B/s)
Reading package lists... Done

$ apt-cache policy clamav
clamav:
  Installed: 0.92.1~dfsg-1volatile2
  Candidate: 0.92.1~dfsg-1volatile2
  Version table:
 *** 0.92.1~dfsg-1volatile2 0
        990 http://volatile.debian.net etch/volatile/main Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     0.90.1dfsg-3etch11 0
        500 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
     0.90.1dfsg-3etch9 0
        500 http://mirror.internode.on.net etch/main Packages
=====

What's going on here? The version announced to be in the archive since
2008-05-20 doesn't appear available on this machine at all, even
though I've updated the package list from that archive.

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[Jan Wagner-4]

On Sunday 25 May 2008 06:59, Ben Finney wrote:
> What's going on here? The version announced to be in the archive since
> 2008-05-20 doesn't appear available on this machine at all, even
> though I've updated the package list from that archive.

I got it via etch-proposed-updates/volatile

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[Marc-64]

Jan Wagner wrote:

> On Sunday 25 May 2008 06:59, Ben Finney wrote:
>  
>> What's going on here? The version announced to be in the archive since
>> 2008-05-20 doesn't appear available on this machine at all, even
>> though I've updated the package list from that archive.
>>    
>
> I got it via etch-proposed-updates/volatile
>
> With kind regards, Jan.
>  

 From http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/ :

"The -proposed-distributions are _not_ for real usage. Uploaded packages enter
them without further checks, and they may subsequently be rejected (and
removed from the archive). So, if you use them, you risk to end up with
unrecommended packages."

Why is it no longer simply in etch/volatile? :-\
proposed-updates is mentioned nowhere, also not on http://volatile.debian.org/ ...


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[Ben Finney-2]

Jan Wagner <waja@...> writes:

> On Sunday 25 May 2008 06:59, Ben Finney wrote:
> > What's going on here? The version announced to be in the archive since
> > 2008-05-20 doesn't appear available on this machine at all, even
> > though I've updated the package list from that archive.
>
> I got it via etch-proposed-updates/volatile

That's not what the instructions describe at
<URL:http://www.debian.org/volatile/>. They don't mention
'etch-proposed-updates' at all.

The latest announcement for support of 'volatile' on 'etch',
<URL:http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20080319111443.GA12943@...>,
also makes no mention of 'etch-proposed-updates'.

Can someone please explain why these announced updates are not
appearing from the 'etch/volatile' archive?

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[Lupe Christoph]

On Monday, 2008-05-26 at 23:39:45 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:

> Can someone please explain why these announced updates are not
> appearing from the 'etch/volatile' archive?

Or even better, make them appear there?

Thank you (that's to you who make them appear ;-),
Lupe Christoph
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