Re: [Product-Developers] Thoughts on championing OOTB themes

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> Hi
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> Den 21. feb. 2008 kl. 01.44 skrev Ken Wasetis [at Contextual]:
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> Veda,
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> You're absolutely right - we're way behind where some of the other open
> source projects/communities are on this one.  It appears that the Drupal
> folks had the same idea regarding the use of csszengarden as a model:
> http://themegarden.org/drupal50/   (many, many drupal skins demonstrated.)
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> If you google 'joomla themes', 'mambo themes', or 'drupal themes', it's
> pretty revealing how much of a market there should be for a Plone themes
> site, and I think that's what it likely may take (perhaps a site with a
> ratings feature and that allows different designers/developers to upload
> their themes - not just a per-vendor site, though those sites would
> proliferate more wide skinning of Plone as well.)
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> The "competition" has lots of nice themes copared to plone.
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> Here are some more examples (related to Joomla):
> http://www.joomla-themes.co.uk/
> http://www.joomla-themes.biz/
> http://www.joomla-themes.org/
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> For mambo:
> http://www.themesbase.com/?category=Mambo
> http://www.pixelsparadise.com/
> http://www.themegurus.com/
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> Many of the themes are $30-$50 USD, which is pretty amazing to me.  I've
> though of contacting some of their developers to have them port them to
> Plone - how hard could it be if you have the PSD files and a little DIYPlone
> help or paster script help, right?
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> With just the PSD files making a theme is not that fast, would at least take
> a day, probably more.
> If you have the access to a site running the theme I consider things a bit
> easier.
> If for example some (different) people wanted the same theme, a price of
> 30-50$ would be possible, remember, there is quite a lot of content types
> and css in plone.
> If there is a wish to port some themes to plone and a little money in it
> (maybe $150?),, this would be fun to do.
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> Alsoi, if porting A LOT of themes from for example jombla, the average time
> to create a theme could be a bit faster (as its possible to search/repleace
> in css files)
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> Just some ideas of what's out there for other tools, anyhow.  I hope that
> you're able to get something going with the Theming Champ from the PSPS.
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> Cheers,
> Ken
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> vedaw wrote:
> I was not at the summit, and as a result haven't gotten a lot of information
> on what's expected from me to improve the theming story for Plone, but I
> have a few ideas here and would love feedback.
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> 1) Identify the key players we need to round up for this. I'm thinking David
> Convent, Alex Limi, Donna Snow, Denis Mishunov, the 14 year old wunderkind
> I've been hearing about, and I'm sure there are more. Maybe the folks at
> Quinta Group? I think we should also identify some designers, or determine
> if we're going to liberate Wordpress or other similar free themes. I'm not a
> huge fan of most of those themes, as most of them seem very ugly or too
> dumbed down, but I could be talked into using them.
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> 2) Create a dedicated theming section of the site and pull in select theming
> docs there. Break it down into 2.5 and 3.0 so that it's clear, and keep a
> link to other theming resources in the docs section. I'm thinking that we
> narrow the field here and point them to the core docs. Possible visual
> change to that section with thumbnails illustrating what the skins look
> like. I'm thinking something over the top here, a la csszengarden.com. There
> has long been a perception that the only thing you can do to easily theme a
> Plone site is change the color of the tabs, and I want to break that
> perception. At the very least, we need to make this page show thumbnails of
> available themes: http://plone.org/products/by-category/themes
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> 3) Possible sprint? I'd rather not do a virtual sprint, as I think the
> in-person sprints are more successful, but we have to also be aware of where
> our skinners live -- on opposite sides of the ocean. Is there any interest
> here on this? I'm flexible to leave the country, but I know that many people
> are not, due to having families.
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> 4) Review the competition and see what they're up to in their theming
> sections. There may be some interesting ideas we could borrow.
> 5) Put together some best practices to make sure that users don't have to do
> any internal tweaking to make a skin work. I'm thinking specifically
> instructions on how to use GS properly when building skins, plus a "right
> way" forward -- buildout vs the unified installer. I'm still not sold on
> buildout, and this warrants some real discussion. Designers and skinners
> don't need all of the overhead that buildout brings with it, and maybe
> buildout isn't appropriate?
> 6) Joel Burton mentioned a skinning contest, but I'm a little wary of this.
> What do other people think? I just don't know how successful these things
> are, or what we would offer as a prize.
> Next steps are to get general feedback and additional thoughts. After that,
> I'd like to put together a final list of action items, set a timeline and
> establish owners. I believe it was Donna who pointed out that 3.0 came out
> six months ago, and we don't have a solid 3.0 theming story or the
> organizational structure to support what we do currently have in place. I'd
> really like to see that change.
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> Thoughts?
> - Veda
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