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RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by "LI Daobing (李道兵)" :: Rate this Message:

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Dear mentors,

I am looking for a sponsor for my package "scim-python".
* Package name    : scim-python
  Version         : 0.1.12
  Upstream Authors: Huang Peng <shawn.p.huang at gmail dot com>
                    Ming Hua <minghua at gmail dot com>
                    Yu Fan <yufanyufan at gmail dot com>
                    余钰炜 <acevery at gmail dot com>
* URL             : http://code.google.com/p/scim-python/
* License         : LGPL
  Programming Lang: Python, C++
  Description     : python language binding and input methods for SCIM

It builds these binary packages:
python-scim - Python language binding for SCIM
python-scim-dbg - Python language binding for SCIM (debug extension)
scim-python - Python input method framework for SCIM
scim-python-common - Python language binding for SCIM - Common files
scim-python-englishwriter - English writer input method for scim-python
scim-python-xingma - XingMa input method for scim-python

I split it into 6 package. first it provide a public module "scim", so
I think there should be a package named "python-scim" and another
package "python-scim-dbg". and the input method framework is put in
"scim-python", two input methods in two separated packages. and all
the 5 packages share a i18n domain "scim-python", so I put the mo
files and the shared icons in the "scim-python-common" package

The package appears to be lintian clean.

The upload would fix these bugs: 487360

The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
- URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scim-python
- Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable
main contrib non-free
- dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scim-python/scim-python_0.1.12-1.dsc

I would be glad if someone uploaded this package for me.

Kind regards
 LI Daobing

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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by ZhengPeng Hou-2 :: Rate this Message:

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what's the license of the pinyin table data in scim-pinyin?

2008/6/21 LI Daobing (李道兵) <lidaobing@...>:

> Dear mentors,
>
> I am looking for a sponsor for my package "scim-python".
> * Package name    : scim-python
>  Version         : 0.1.12
>  Upstream Authors: Huang Peng <shawn.p.huang at gmail dot com>
>                    Ming Hua <minghua at gmail dot com>
>                    Yu Fan <yufanyufan at gmail dot com>
>                    余钰炜 <acevery at gmail dot com>
> * URL             : http://code.google.com/p/scim-python/
> * License         : LGPL
>  Programming Lang: Python, C++
>  Description     : python language binding and input methods for SCIM
>
> It builds these binary packages:
> python-scim - Python language binding for SCIM
> python-scim-dbg - Python language binding for SCIM (debug extension)
> scim-python - Python input method framework for SCIM
> scim-python-common - Python language binding for SCIM - Common files
> scim-python-englishwriter - English writer input method for scim-python
> scim-python-xingma - XingMa input method for scim-python
>
> I split it into 6 package. first it provide a public module "scim", so
> I think there should be a package named "python-scim" and another
> package "python-scim-dbg". and the input method framework is put in
> "scim-python", two input methods in two separated packages. and all
> the 5 packages share a i18n domain "scim-python", so I put the mo
> files and the shared icons in the "scim-python-common" package
>
> The package appears to be lintian clean.
>
> The upload would fix these bugs: 487360
>
> The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
> - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scim-python
> - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable
> main contrib non-free
> - dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scim-python/scim-python_0.1.12-1.dsc
>
> I would be glad if someone uploaded this package for me.
>
> Kind regards
>  LI Daobing
>
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> Best Regards,
>  LI Daobing
>

Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by "LI Daobing (李道兵)" :: Rate this Message:

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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Zhengpeng Hou <zhengpeng.hou@...> wrote:
> what's the license of the pinyin table data in scim-pinyin?

not declared, I will ask the upstream authors.

and this file is not required. we can prepare a dfsg version.

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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by Ming Hua :: Rate this Message:

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On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:00:04AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Zhengpeng Hou <zhengpeng.hou@...> wrote:
> > what's the license of the pinyin table data in scim-pinyin?
>
> not declared, I will ask the upstream authors.
>
> and this file is not required. we can prepare a dfsg version.

The Pinyin data in scim-python are not DFSG-free as far as I know.

Ming
2008.06.21


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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by "LI Daobing (李道兵)" :: Rate this Message:

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Hello,

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Ming Hua <minghua@...> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:00:04AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Zhengpeng Hou <zhengpeng.hou@...> wrote:
>> > what's the license of the pinyin table data in scim-pinyin?
>>
>> not declared, I will ask the upstream authors.
>>
>> and this file is not required. we can prepare a dfsg version.
>
> The Pinyin data in scim-python are not DFSG-free as far as I know.
>
there are two pinyin table:
1. http://code.google.com/p/scim-python/source/browse/trunk/data/pinyin_table.txt
2. http://code.google.com/p/scim-python/downloads/detail?name=pinyin-database-0.1.10.5.tar.bz2&can=2&q=

you mean which one is non-free, or both?

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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by ZhengPeng Hou-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:43:18AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
Hi,
Would u mind tell me how to use it? after I built the packge with your
source tarball(built with updated sid sbuild), and installed those
binary packages, except the dbg one, re-login, I could not have it in
skim. so is there anything wrong? or it can not work with skim?

> Hello,
>
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Ming Hua <minghua@...> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:00:04AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
> >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Zhengpeng Hou <zhengpeng.hou@...> wrote:
> >> > what's the license of the pinyin table data in scim-pinyin?
> >>
> >> not declared, I will ask the upstream authors.
> >>
> >> and this file is not required. we can prepare a dfsg version.
> >
> > The Pinyin data in scim-python are not DFSG-free as far as I know.
> >
> there are two pinyin table:
> 1. http://code.google.com/p/scim-python/source/browse/trunk/data/pinyin_table.txt
> 2. http://code.google.com/p/scim-python/downloads/detail?name=pinyin-database-0.1.10.5.tar.bz2&can=2&q=
>
> you mean which one is non-free, or both?
>
> --
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>  LI Daobing
>
>
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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by "LI Daobing (李道兵)" :: Rate this Message:

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Hello,

2008/6/22 ZhengPeng Hou <zhengpeng.hou@...>:
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:43:18AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
> Hi,
> Would u mind tell me how to use it? after I built the packge with your
> source tarball(built with updated sid sbuild), and installed those
> binary packages, except the dbg one, re-login, I could not have it in
> skim. so is there anything wrong? or it can not work with skim?

I does not test with skim, and it should does NOT work, please test with scim.

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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by Ming Hua :: Rate this Message:

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On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:43:18AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Ming Hua <minghua@...> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:00:04AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
> >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Zhengpeng Hou <zhengpeng.hou@...> wrote:
> >> > what's the license of the pinyin table data in scim-pinyin?
> >>
> >> not declared, I will ask the upstream authors.
> >>
> >> and this file is not required. we can prepare a dfsg version.
> >
> > The Pinyin data in scim-python are not DFSG-free as far as I know.
> >
> there are two pinyin table:
[...]
>
> you mean which one is non-free, or both?

I'm afraid I don't know.  The separation of scim-python and its pinyin
table is after my active involvement of scim-python's development and I
haven't tracked it since then.

I suspect the two tables you mentioned are related (i.e., one is derived
from the other) though.

Have you got any replies from the upstream developer yet?

Ming
2008.06.26


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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by "LI Daobing (李道兵)" :: Rate this Message:

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On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Ming Hua <minghua@...> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:43:18AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Ming Hua <minghua@...> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:00:04AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
>> >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Zhengpeng Hou <zhengpeng.hou@...> wrote:
>> >> > what's the license of the pinyin table data in scim-pinyin?
>> >>
>> >> not declared, I will ask the upstream authors.
>> >>
>> >> and this file is not required. we can prepare a dfsg version.
>> >
>> > The Pinyin data in scim-python are not DFSG-free as far as I know.
>> >
>> there are two pinyin table:
> [...]
>>
>> you mean which one is non-free, or both?
>
> I'm afraid I don't know.  The separation of scim-python and its pinyin
> table is after my active involvement of scim-python's development and I
> haven't tracked it since then.
>
> I suspect the two tables you mentioned are related (i.e., one is derived
> from the other) though.
>
> Have you got any replies from the upstream developer yet?\

they said the smaller one is generated from scim-pinyin, so it can be
released under GPL.


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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by ZhengPeng Hou-2 :: Rate this Message:

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2008/6/22 LI Daobing (李道兵) <lidaobing@...>:

> Hello,
>
> 2008/6/22 ZhengPeng Hou <zhengpeng.hou@...>:
>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:43:18AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Would u mind tell me how to use it? after I built the packge with your
>> source tarball(built with updated sid sbuild), and installed those
>> binary packages, except the dbg one, re-login, I could not have it in
>> skim. so is there anything wrong? or it can not work with skim?
>
> I does not test with skim, and it should does NOT work, please test with scim.
>
skim is just a kde fronted of scim, I don't think there is anything
specific to skim. if scim-python
can not work with skim, then we'd firstly check what's wrong with scim-python.
Cheers
Zhengpeng Hou

Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by Osamu Aoki :: Rate this Message:

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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:39:09PM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:

> Dear mentors,
>
> I am looking for a sponsor for my package "scim-python".
> * Package name    : scim-python
>   Version         : 0.1.12
>   Upstream Authors: Huang Peng <shawn.p.huang at gmail dot com>
>                     Ming Hua <minghua at gmail dot com>
>                     Yu Fan <yufanyufan at gmail dot com>
>                     余钰炜 <acevery at gmail dot com>
> * URL             : http://code.google.com/p/scim-python/
> * License         : LGPL
>   Programming Lang: Python, C++
>   Description     : python language binding and input methods for SCIM
>

Looks interesting...

> The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
> - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scim-python
> - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable
> main contrib non-free
> - dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scim-python/scim-python_0.1.12-1.dsc

Add this to SVN too, please.

Osamu


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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by "LI Daobing (李道兵)" :: Rate this Message:

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Hello,

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Osamu Aoki <osamu@...> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:39:09PM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
>> Dear mentors,
>>
>> I am looking for a sponsor for my package "scim-python".
>> * Package name    : scim-python
>>   Version         : 0.1.12
>>   Upstream Authors: Huang Peng <shawn.p.huang at gmail dot com>
>>                     Ming Hua <minghua at gmail dot com>
>>                     Yu Fan <yufanyufan at gmail dot com>
>>                     余钰炜 <acevery at gmail dot com>
>> * URL             : http://code.google.com/p/scim-python/
>> * License         : LGPL
>>   Programming Lang: Python, C++
>>   Description     : python language binding and input methods for SCIM
>>
>
> Looks interesting...
>
>> The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
>> - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scim-python
>> - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable
>> main contrib non-free
>> - dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scim-python/scim-python_0.1.12-1.dsc
>
> Add this to SVN too, please.
>
Done, and new version have uploaded to debian-mentors.
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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by Osamu Aoki :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,

I have changed svn content.  Explanation below.  Please ack these
changes are OK then we can do upload.

> >> The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
> >> - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scim-python
> >> - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable
> >> main contrib non-free
> >> - dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scim-python/scim-python_0.1.12-1.dsc
> >
> > Add this to SVN too, please.
> >
> Done, and new version have uploaded to debian-mentors.


In License, you have:
LGPL-2+ can also be treated as version 2.1 of GNU Lesser General Public
License. On Debian systems, the complete text may be found in
/usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2.1.

LGPL-2+ can also be treated as version 3 of GNU Lesser General Public
License. On Debian systems, the complete text may be found in
/usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-3.
---

These are missleading.  LGPL2 states:

  3. You may opt to apply the terms of the ordinary GNU General Public
License instead of this License to a given copy of the Library.  To do
this, you must alter all the notices that refer to this License, so
that they refer to the ordinary GNU General Public License, version 2,
instead of to this License.  (If a newer version than version 2 of the
ordinary GNU General Public License has appeared, then you can specify
that version instead if you wish.)  Do not make any other change in
these notices.

LGPL2.1 states:
[This is the first released version of the Lesser GPL.  It also counts
 as the successor of the GNU Library Public License, version 2, hence
 the version number 2.1.]

I do not think you need these additional (and very misleading when mentioning
GPL3) text here.  They are properly addressed in respective license or in
source code as "or (at your option) any later version."

If you had reason to change from LGPL to GPL, you need to make changes as
specified but I see no reason to do so.


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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

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On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:06:27AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:

> In License, you have:
> LGPL-2+ can also be treated as version 2.1 of GNU Lesser General Public
> License. On Debian systems, the complete text may be found in
> /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2.1.
>
> LGPL-2+ can also be treated as version 3 of GNU Lesser General Public
> License. On Debian systems, the complete text may be found in
> /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-3.
> ---
>
> These are missleading.
<cut out stuff about GPL-3>
> I do not think you need these additional (and very misleading when mentioning
> GPL3) text here.  They are properly addressed in respective license or in
> source code as "or (at your option) any later version."

You seem to have misread the license file (I didn't check, but only read
what you quoted).  It talks about LGPL-3, not about GPL-3.  It's not
misleading, just complete.

The files are distributed with multiple licenses, namely LGPL-2,
LGPL-2.1, and LGPL-3.  Later versions are automatically added to that
list as they are released.

As always when receiving multiple licensed files, debian/copyright
should list them all.  Listing licenses which aren't released yet isn't
possible of course, but listing all currently available options is a
good idea IMO.  That's what the part you quoted does.

Thanks,
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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

by Osamu Aoki :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 08:27:32AM +0800, Zhengpeng Hou wrote:

> 2008/6/22 LI Daobing (李道兵) <lidaobing@...>:
> > Hello,
> >
> > 2008/6/22 ZhengPeng Hou <zhengpeng.hou@...>:
> >> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:43:18AM +0800, LI Daobing (李道兵) wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Would u mind tell me how to use it? after I built the packge with your
> >> source tarball(built with updated sid sbuild), and installed those
> >> binary packages, except the dbg one, re-login, I could not have it in
> >> skim. so is there anything wrong? or it can not work with skim?
> >
> > I does not test with skim, and it should does NOT work, please test with scim.
> >
> skim is just a kde fronted of scim, I don't think there is anything
> specific to skim. if scim-python
> can not work with skim, then we'd firstly check what's wrong with scim-python.
> Cheers
> Zhengpeng Hou

What I know as a part of SCIM package team:
 * The KDE libraries were behind Gnome ones to support immodule.  
 * Some SCIM package seems to disable skim support by the maintainer patch.

If you think skim support is important and these are unjustly removing
support, please povide patch+test result report to us.

This is volunteer work.  Please do not tell people "you should be able
to do this if you learn how...".  If you know better, tell us the
answer.  Quite honestly, I feel the same way for skim support but I do
not have time to test unfamiliar programs.

Thanks,

Osamu



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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

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> What I know as a part of SCIM package team:
>  * The KDE libraries were behind Gnome ones to support immodule.
>  * Some SCIM package seems to disable skim support by the maintainer patch.
 this is not what I'm talking about, I know what you are talking is
something like skim-scim-pinyin.
>
> If you think skim support is important and these are unjustly removing
> support, please povide patch+test result report to us.
AFAIK: every SCIM engine module can work well with skim, even they
haven't provide
a kde set up fronted for skim, like scim-pinyin, scim-chewing, etc can
work just out-of-the-box
with skim. I don't know why scim-python can not work with skim.
> This is volunteer work.  Please do not tell people "you should be able
> to do this if you learn how...".  If you know better, tell us the
> answer.  Quite honestly, I feel the same way for skim support but I do
> not have time to test unfamiliar programs.
As I've said above, every modules of scim can work with skim, but not
scim-python. I raised up this issue
just wanna feedback, but not complann here.  Just like a bug report,
the difference is scim-python is not
in archive, I happened know it, wanna have a try, and then feedback.

Cheers
Zhengpeng Hou


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Re: RFS: scim-python: python bindings and input methods for scim

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:59:41PM +0800, Zhengpeng Hou wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> > What I know as a part of SCIM package team:
> >  * The KDE libraries were behind Gnome ones to support immodule.
> >  * Some SCIM package seems to disable skim support by the maintainer patch.
>  this is not what I'm talking about, I know what you are talking is
> something like skim-scim-pinyin.

scim-tables has 90_disable-skim.dpatch
So I assume it disables skim

> > If you think skim support is important and these are unjustly removing
> > support, please povide patch+test result report to us.
> AFAIK: every SCIM engine module can work well with skim, even they
> haven't provide
> a kde set up fronted for skim, like scim-pinyin, scim-chewing, etc can
> work just out-of-the-box
> with skim. I don't know why scim-python can not work with skim.

I do not know either.

> > This is volunteer work.  Please do not tell people "you should be able
> > to do this if you learn how...".  If you know better, tell us the
> > answer.  Quite honestly, I feel the same way for skim support but I do
> > not have time to test unfamiliar programs.
> As I've said above, every modules of scim can work with skim, but not
> scim-python. I raised up this issue
> just wanna feedback, but not complann here.  Just like a bug report,
> the difference is scim-python is not
> in archive, I happened know it, wanna have a try, and then feedback.

Please also give us feed back on good old scim-tables.

Osamu


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