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by Bruce Yoshiwara :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Jodi,

Here in (what my department chair likes to call) "the wild, wild west" (and we are indeed west of Bonnie's school, West Los Angeles College), we are currently using 3 different calculus books for first-year calculus, with individual instructors choosing which book they will use.

One is Stewart with early transcendentals, one is Stewart with late transcendentals, and the third is Hughes-Hallet et al. (a.k.a. the "Harvard Calculus", which puts transcendental functions in Calc I). Our course outlines stipulate that transcendantal functions are in Calculus I (and the instructor who uses the late transcendental textbook skips to appropriate sections of his textbook in order to follow the course outline).

We've had no problems with articulation with UCLA or other University of California or California State University campus.

We do, as you might anticipate, have students who take Calc I with one textbook, Calc II with another, and even conceivably Calc III with yet another textbook.

To give you an inkling of our faculty priorities, there is currently an effort afoot to have our contract stipulate that no department can adopt any textbook unless 100% of the faculty in that department approve the choice. And even if there is a department adoption, every faculty member will still have the right to ignore that adoption and choose whatever textbook s/he wishes for each section s/he teaches.

Some say that "academic freedom" trumps academic responsibility at my campus.

Bruce Yoshiwara
Los Angeles Pierce College

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> My school does NOT use early transcendentals. We use Stewart mainly because it's used at UCLA and other UC's and using it avoids problems with articulation. One of my colleagues said that he doesn't like the early transcendental treatments he's seen because they are "less rigorous" (eg omit definition of e in terms of an integral) and "never get back to treating them more rigorously later."
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> Thank you to everyone with your responses. Please keep them coming. Our meeting is Tuesday and I'd like to have as many as possible. All responses are weighted towards the early transcendental end. Is there anyone at a school who has decided to not go in this direction? If so, I'd appreciate knowing why you have decided to stay in that direction.
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> Thank you!
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> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Thank you to everyone with your responses.  Please keep them coming.  Our meeting is  Tuesday and I'd like to have as many as possible.  All responses are weighted towards the early transcendental end. Is there anyone at a school who has decided to not go in this direction? If so, I'd appreciate knowing why you have decided to stay in that direction.</FONT></DIV>
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