Properties with type:URL sometimes not recognized

hi all
I have trouble with the URL datatype.
Ie Property:Website
(in my case in german Attribute:Website )
i define as [[has type::URL]]

and a few others as Attribute:Forum and so on

but the url is (in most cases) rendered as link to a new page in red
with capital "Http:..."
see http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Attribut:Website

I tried also
[[has type::type:URL]]
[[has Type::URL]]
and few others
as seen somewhere.

My versions:

http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Spezial:Version
mw 1.11.0 and smw 1.0RC2

any ideas?
upgrade?

thx
florian


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Florian Konnertz wrote:

> I have trouble with the URL datatype.
> Ie Property:Website
> (in my case in german Attribute:Website )
> i define as [[has type::URL]]
>
> and a few others as Attribute:Forum and so on
>
> but the url is (in most cases) rendered as link to a new page in red
> with capital "Http:..."
> see http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Attribut:Website

Somehow SMW is not picking up the type for this Property, so when you
annotate other pages with [[Website::foo]], SMW thinks it's the default
kind of property, another wiki page.

I notice http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Attribut:Website doesn't show a
factbox for this annotation.  Compare e.g.
http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Property:Schema
Did you turn off factbox display in the Attribut (Property) namespace?
However, SMW is parsing your annotation, because it turns [[has
type::URL]] into a link to Datentyp:URL.  But somehow it's ignoring it.

* If you put other semantic annotations on an Attribute page, do they
make a factbox show up?


http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Spezial:Properties?limit=100
shows "Website" twice, which is really odd, and neither acknowledges
that it has the URL datatype.  Did you upgrade your wiki from SMW 0.7?
-- maybe that left some information around from the old namespaces.
It seems every property in your wiki is the default type ("Seite", or
Type:Page).

* Try giving another property a type, e.g. create Attribut:Test with
[[has type::string]] and see if that works.

You've also confused things by having a page
http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Website with the same [[has
type::URL]]annotation.  SMW doesn't complain if you use special
properties like Has_type on pages where they make no sense, but it's
confusing.

A few other things to try:

* Edit-then-save the pages in the chain, starting with Attribut:Website
and then your Xing page.  Or run the SMW_refreshData.php maintenance
script twice.
* Remove the [[has type::URL]] annotation on the Website page in the
main namespace just in case it's getting in the way.  (If that fixes the
problem then let me know, it indicates a bug in how SMW gets special
properties of properties.)
* Purge the Spezial:Properties page and see if it still shows two
Website properties and each still shows Type:Seite.

* It could be a subtle translation/alias issue where you need to use
[[Datentyp::URL]] or even [[Datentyp::Datentyp:URL]], but SMW seems to
be handling the canonical English names OK and I think SMW 1.0 fixed
most of those issues.


> I tried also
> [[has type::type:URL]]
> [[has Type::URL]]
> and few others
> as seen somewhere.

The format you have should be fine.  Again, in the page's display SMW
turns it into a link to [[Datentyp:URL]], showing that SMW recognized
the special property and supplied the Type/Datentyp namespace.  Yet SMW
isn't using this information about the property.

> My versions:
>
> http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Spezial:Version
> mw 1.11.0 and smw 1.0RC2
>
> any ideas?
> upgrade?

SMW 1.1.2 is better and the upgrade is pretty smooth, but I think what
you're trying worked OK in 1.0.

Good luck,
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Hi S Page

i tried all your suggestions, no success...

ok first to mention i upgraded to 1.1.2 without problems (i want to
import an ontology and try SPARQL asap).

I tried with string and temperature data types, all red links point to
new page creation edit forms.

i tried with[[Datentyp::URL]] or even [[Datentyp::Datentyp:URL]]




New information, which came to my mind lately:
If I am not completely wrong it was some weeks ago solved when i
outcommented my

$smwgNamespacesWithSemanticLinks = array(NS_MAIN=>true,NS_BLOG=>true);
in LocalSettings.php

Now did that again but no effect, also tried to leave MAIN namespace...
but i guess this setting resp. its default, stayed the same from 1.0RC
to now.

I keep on trying...
:)
if you have further ideas, let me know!! :)



Florian





S Page wrote:

> Florian Konnertz wrote:
>
>> I have trouble with the URL datatype.
>> Ie Property:Website
>> (in my case in german Attribute:Website )
>> i define as [[has type::URL]]
>>
>> and a few others as Attribute:Forum and so on
>>
>> but the url is (in most cases) rendered as link to a new page in red
>> with capital "Http:..."
>> see http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Attribut:Website
>
> Somehow SMW is not picking up the type for this Property, so when you
> annotate other pages with [[Website::foo]], SMW thinks it's the default
> kind of property, another wiki page.
>
> I notice http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Attribut:Website doesn't show a
> factbox for this annotation.  Compare e.g.
> http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Property:Schema
> Did you turn off factbox display in the Attribut (Property) namespace?
> However, SMW is parsing your annotation, because it turns [[has
> type::URL]] into a link to Datentyp:URL.  But somehow it's ignoring it.
>
> * If you put other semantic annotations on an Attribute page, do they
> make a factbox show up?
>
>
> http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Spezial:Properties?limit=100
> shows "Website" twice, which is really odd, and neither acknowledges
> that it has the URL datatype.  Did you upgrade your wiki from SMW 0.7?
> -- maybe that left some information around from the old namespaces.
> It seems every property in your wiki is the default type ("Seite", or
> Type:Page).
>
> * Try giving another property a type, e.g. create Attribut:Test with
> [[has type::string]] and see if that works.
>
> You've also confused things by having a page
> http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Website with the same [[has
> type::URL]]annotation.  SMW doesn't complain if you use special
> properties like Has_type on pages where they make no sense, but it's
> confusing.
>
> A few other things to try:
>
> * Edit-then-save the pages in the chain, starting with Attribut:Website
> and then your Xing page.  Or run the SMW_refreshData.php maintenance
> script twice.
> * Remove the [[has type::URL]] annotation on the Website page in the
> main namespace just in case it's getting in the way.  (If that fixes the
> problem then let me know, it indicates a bug in how SMW gets special
> properties of properties.)
> * Purge the Spezial:Properties page and see if it still shows two
> Website properties and each still shows Type:Seite.
>
> * It could be a subtle translation/alias issue where you need to use
> [[Datentyp::URL]] or even [[Datentyp::Datentyp:URL]], but SMW seems to
> be handling the canonical English names OK and I think SMW 1.0 fixed
> most of those issues.
>
>
>> I tried also
>> [[has type::type:URL]]
>> [[has Type::URL]]
>> and few others
>> as seen somewhere.
>
> The format you have should be fine.  Again, in the page's display SMW
> turns it into a link to [[Datentyp:URL]], showing that SMW recognized
> the special property and supplied the Type/Datentyp namespace.  Yet SMW
> isn't using this information about the property.
>
>> My versions:
>>
>> http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Spezial:Version
>> mw 1.11.0 and smw 1.0RC2
>>
>> any ideas?
>> upgrade?
>
> SMW 1.1.2 is better and the upgrade is pretty smooth, but I think what
> you're trying worked OK in 1.0.
>
> Good luck,
> --
> =S Page

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hi
just an update of the issue...

Tried again  SMW_refreshData.php

re-entered [[ħas type::URL]] on attribute page -> now the http links are
rendered correctly.

but:

* all attribute pages are empty now - the type entries and the free text
entries.


* the pages using the attribute are not shown.

BTW these are my SMW-related settings in LocalSettings.php:


$smwgNamespaceIndex = 102;
include_once("extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Settings.php");
enableSemantics("florian-konnertz.de");

// needed with SMW 1.1.2 ??
//$smwgNamespacesWithSemanticLinks = array(NS_MAIN=>true,NS_BLOG=>true);
//$smwgNamespacesWithSemanticLinks = array(NS_MAIN=>true);

$smwgQEqualitySupport = SMW_EQ_FULL;  // always interpret redirects as
equality in queries
$smwgQComparators = '<|>|!|~'; // enable the patte


dear SMW cracks, further hints are appreciated !!
:)

regards, florian




S Page wrote:

> Florian Konnertz wrote:
>
>> I have trouble with the URL datatype.
>> Ie Property:Website
>> (in my case in german Attribute:Website )
>> i define as [[has type::URL]]
>>
>> and a few others as Attribute:Forum and so on
>>
>> but the url is (in most cases) rendered as link to a new page in red
>> with capital "Http:..."
>> see http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Attribut:Website
>
> Somehow SMW is not picking up the type for this Property, so when you
> annotate other pages with [[Website::foo]], SMW thinks it's the default
> kind of property, another wiki page.
>
> I notice http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Attribut:Website doesn't show a
> factbox for this annotation.  Compare e.g.
> http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Property:Schema
> Did you turn off factbox display in the Attribut (Property) namespace?
> However, SMW is parsing your annotation, because it turns [[has
> type::URL]] into a link to Datentyp:URL.  But somehow it's ignoring it.
>
> * If you put other semantic annotations on an Attribute page, do they
> make a factbox show up?
>
>
> http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Spezial:Properties?limit=100
> shows "Website" twice, which is really odd, and neither acknowledges
> that it has the URL datatype.  Did you upgrade your wiki from SMW 0.7?
> -- maybe that left some information around from the old namespaces.
> It seems every property in your wiki is the default type ("Seite", or
> Type:Page).
>
> * Try giving another property a type, e.g. create Attribut:Test with
> [[has type::string]] and see if that works.
>
> You've also confused things by having a page
> http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Website with the same [[has
> type::URL]]annotation.  SMW doesn't complain if you use special
> properties like Has_type on pages where they make no sense, but it's
> confusing.
>
> A few other things to try:
>
> * Edit-then-save the pages in the chain, starting with Attribut:Website
> and then your Xing page.  Or run the SMW_refreshData.php maintenance
> script twice.
> * Remove the [[has type::URL]] annotation on the Website page in the
> main namespace just in case it's getting in the way.  (If that fixes the
> problem then let me know, it indicates a bug in how SMW gets special
> properties of properties.)
> * Purge the Spezial:Properties page and see if it still shows two
> Website properties and each still shows Type:Seite.
>
> * It could be a subtle translation/alias issue where you need to use
> [[Datentyp::URL]] or even [[Datentyp::Datentyp:URL]], but SMW seems to
> be handling the canonical English names OK and I think SMW 1.0 fixed
> most of those issues.
>
>
>> I tried also
>> [[has type::type:URL]]
>> [[has Type::URL]]
>> and few others
>> as seen somewhere.
>
> The format you have should be fine.  Again, in the page's display SMW
> turns it into a link to [[Datentyp:URL]], showing that SMW recognized
> the special property and supplied the Type/Datentyp namespace.  Yet SMW
> isn't using this information about the property.
>
>> My versions:
>>
>> http://florian-konnertz.de/wiki/Spezial:Version
>> mw 1.11.0 and smw 1.0RC2
>>
>> any ideas?
>> upgrade?
>
> SMW 1.1.2 is better and the upgrade is pretty smooth, but I think what
> you're trying worked OK in 1.0.
>
> Good luck,
> --
> =S Page

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