Possible Showstopper in handling of user profiles

[Mathias Bauer]

Moin,

I didn't create an issue until now because I'm unsure whether this is a
showstopper or not because it "only" affects users that have installed a
3.0 beta.

When 3.0 Beta is installed, it creates an "OpenOffice.org3" user profile
(or .openoffice.org3 on Linux and Solaris).  When now the final version
is installed, it will use this profile.

In this case we don't offer the user a user data migration as we would
do if no OOo3 but an OOo2 profile is found. This might be unwanted.

Moreover, we have removed a basic library between OOo3 Beta and OOo3
Final. If now OOo3 Final is working on the OOo Beta profile, the user
will get two error messages each time Basic is accessed the first time
(what usually happens when a document is saved). The error message can
be removed only by manual editing a configuration file in the profile.

If all users would be affected by this bug, I think it's clear that this
would be a showstopper. As it "only" affects beta users: do we still
consider this to be a showstopper?

Ciao,
Mathias

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[Eike Rathke]

Hi Mathias,

On Thursday, 2008-07-24 13:01:27 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote:

> If all users would be affected by this bug, I think it's clear that this
> would be a showstopper. As it "only" affects beta users: do we still
> consider this to be a showstopper?

IMHO yes. IIRC it was explicitly stated that Betas will not have
a migration path but Final will, to not end up with an unmaintainable
matrix of profile conversions. Given the wide spread Beta (we _intended_
that to be heavily used), this and

> the user
> will get two error messages each time Basic is accessed the first time
> (what usually happens when a document is saved). The error message can
> be removed only by manual editing a configuration file in the profile.

to me qualify as clear show stoppers.

  Eike

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[Mathias Bauer]

Hi Eike,

Eike Rathke wrote:

> Hi Mathias,
>
> On Thursday, 2008-07-24 13:01:27 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote:
>
>> If all users would be affected by this bug, I think it's clear that this
>> would be a showstopper. As it "only" affects beta users: do we still
>> consider this to be a showstopper?
>
> IMHO yes. IIRC it was explicitly stated that Betas will not have
> a migration path but Final will, to not end up with an unmaintainable
> matrix of profile conversions. Given the wide spread Beta (we _intended_
> that to be heavily used), this and
>
>> the user
>> will get two error messages each time Basic is accessed the first time
>> (what usually happens when a document is saved). The error message can
>> be removed only by manual editing a configuration file in the profile.
>
> to me qualify as clear show stoppers.

So far we are two of us. :-)
Would like to get some more answers.

Fixing the bug would require to use new names for the user profile. I
already tested if there is a way to wipe out the beta profile, but due
to the bootstrap mess I don't see a safe way to do that.

So what about using "openoffice.org_3" instead of "openoffice.org3" as
in the beta? That would be a safe way to make sure that profiles created
by the beta will be ignored. I don't expect that anybody should have a
problem with the exact name of the profile.

Ciao,
Mathias

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[Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany]

Hi Mathias,

> So far we are two of us. :-)
> Would like to get some more answers.

Count me in (whatever that's worth). A final release which is that
heavily confused by the previously installed Beta is No Good (TM).

> So what about using "openoffice.org_3" instead of "openoffice.org3" as
> in the beta?

Assuming that a 3.1 will use openoffice.org31 or openoffice.org3.1, what
about "openoffice3[.]0"?

Ciao
Frank

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[Olaf Felka]

Hi,

> Hi Mathias,
>
>> So far we are two of us. :-)
>> Would like to get some more answers.
>
> Count me in (whatever that's worth). A final release which is that
> heavily confused by the previously installed Beta is No Good (TM).
>
>> So what about using "openoffice.org_3" instead of "openoffice.org3" as
>> in the beta?
>
> Assuming that a 3.1 will use openoffice.org31 or openoffice.org3.1, what
> about "openoffice3[.]0"?

I hope that the user layer won't change it's name with every release. We
haven't done this in OOo 2.x and shouldn't do this for OOo3.x

Groetjes,
Olaf

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[Mathias Bauer]

Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote:

> Hi Mathias,
>
>> So far we are two of us. :-)
>> Would like to get some more answers.
>
> Count me in (whatever that's worth). A final release which is that
> heavily confused by the previously installed Beta is No Good (TM).
>
>> So what about using "openoffice.org_3" instead of "openoffice.org3" as
>> in the beta?
>
> Assuming that a 3.1 will use openoffice.org31 or openoffice.org3.1, what
> about "openoffice3[.]0"?

We shouldn't change the profile name in minor versions, the profile
should stay the same through the release. I don't see any reason for
that but a lot of drawbacks.

Ciao,
Mathias

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[Florian Effenberger-2]

Hi,

> We shouldn't change the profile name in minor versions, the profile
> should stay the same through the release. I don't see any reason for
> that but a lot of drawbacks.

I absolutely agree. Don't modify the profile path between minor and
micro versions, this just causes lots of pain.

Florian

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[Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany]

Hi Mathias,

>> Assuming that a 3.1 will use openoffice.org31 or openoffice.org3.1, what
>> about "openoffice3[.]0"?
>
> We shouldn't change the profile name in minor versions, the profile
> should stay the same through the release.

Ah, didn't know that (could have, though)

Ciao
Frank

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