Pen primitives additions

[thelych]

If some are interested in it...
here are some primitive additions to Pen (more bonus-like than really  
important (and os x only) but i remember some requested at least a  
curve primitive)

so mainly i added

- native bezier curves primitive (curveTo, quadCurveTo)
- shadows
- gradients (axial, radial)
- dash line patterns ...ect... and some more






attached diff if one needs it or wants it, just help yourself... :)
not tested on PPC but seems ok on Intel although not intensively  
tested...

it updates :
GUIPrimitives.M
Pen.sc
Pen.html


best,
charles

[Fredrik Olofsson]

looks very interesting but it fails to build here on my macbook pro  
2.16ghz, osx.4.11
_f


CompileC "Intermediate Build Files/Language.build/SuperCollider.build/
Objects-normal/ppc/GUIPrimitives.o" /Applications/SuperCollider3/
Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M normal ppc objective-c++  
com.apple.compilers.gcc.4_0
     cd /Applications/SuperCollider3
     /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x objective-c++ -arch ppc -pipe -Wno-trigraphs  
-fobjc-exceptions -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -Os -fmessage-
length=0 -funroll-loops -mtune=G4 -ftree-vectorize -
fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-
min=10.4 -I/Applications/SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\ Files/
Language.build/SuperCollider.build/SuperCollider.hmap -mdynamic-no-
pic -F/Applications/SuperCollider3/build -F/Developer/SDKs/
MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/
Versions/A/Frameworks -F/Applications/SuperCollider3/build -I/
Applications/SuperCollider3/build/include -I/Applications/
SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\ Files/Language.build/
SuperCollider.build/DerivedSources -DSC_DARWIN -Wstrict-aliasing -
isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -c /Applications/
SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M -o /Applications/
SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\ Files/Language.build/
SuperCollider.build/Objects-normal/ppc/GUIPrimitives.o
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M: In function  
'int prPen_BeginTransparencyLayer(VMGlobals*, int)':
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2831: error:  
'struct CGRect' has no member named 'width'
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2831: error:  
'struct CGRect' has no member named 'height'
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2834: error:  
'CGContextBeginTransparencyLayerWithRect' was not declared in this scope
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M: In function  
'void stringBounds(char*, int, Rect&)':
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3463:  
warning: 'GetFontInfo' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
QuickdrawText.h:540)
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3463:  
warning: 'GetFontInfo' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
QuickdrawText.h:540)
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3465:  
warning: 'TextWidth' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
QuickdrawText.h:513)
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3465:  
warning: 'TextWidth' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
QuickdrawText.h:513)

CompileC "Intermediate Build Files/Language.build/SuperCollider.build/
Objects-normal/i386/GUIPrimitives.o" /Applications/SuperCollider3/
Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M normal i386 objective-c++  
com.apple.compilers.gcc.4_0
     cd /Applications/SuperCollider3
     /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x objective-c++ -arch i386 -pipe -Wno-
trigraphs -fobjc-exceptions -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -Os -
fmessage-length=0 -funroll-loops -ftree-vectorize -msse3 -
fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-
min=10.4 -I/Applications/SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\ Files/
Language.build/SuperCollider.build/SuperCollider.hmap -mdynamic-no-
pic -F/Applications/SuperCollider3/build -F/Developer/SDKs/
MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/
Versions/A/Frameworks -F/Applications/SuperCollider3/build -I/
Applications/SuperCollider3/build/include -I/Applications/
SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\ Files/Language.build/
SuperCollider.build/DerivedSources -DSC_DARWIN -Wstrict-aliasing -
isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -c /Applications/
SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M -o /Applications/
SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\ Files/Language.build/
SuperCollider.build/Objects-normal/i386/GUIPrimitives.o
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M: In function  
'int prPen_BeginTransparencyLayer(VMGlobals*, int)':
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2831: error:  
'struct CGRect' has no member named 'width'
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2831: error:  
'struct CGRect' has no member named 'height'
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2834: error:  
'CGContextBeginTransparencyLayerWithRect' was not declared in this scope
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M: In function  
'void stringBounds(char*, int, Rect&)':
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3463:  
warning: 'GetFontInfo' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
QuickdrawText.h:540)
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3463:  
warning: 'GetFontInfo' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
QuickdrawText.h:540)
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3465:  
warning: 'TextWidth' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
QuickdrawText.h:513)
/Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3465:  
warning: 'TextWidth' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
QuickdrawText.h:513)
** BUILD FAILED **



21 jul 2008 kl. 22.25 skrev thelych@...:

> If some are interested in it...
> here are some primitive additions to Pen (more bonus-like than  
> really important (and os x only) but i remember some requested at  
> least a curve primitive)
>
> so mainly i added
>
> - native bezier curves primitive (curveTo, quadCurveTo)
> - shadows
> - gradients (axial, radial)
> - dash line patterns ...ect... and some more
>
> <PenAdditions.diff>
>
>
> attached diff if one needs it or wants it, just help yourself... :)
> not tested on PPC but seems ok on Intel although not intensively  
> tested...
>
> it updates :
> GUIPrimitives.M
> Pen.sc
> Pen.html
>
>
> best,
> charles

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[thelych]

Hi Fredrik,

the -mmacosx-version-min is fine so i don't really understand why the  
macro switch as if you had 10.5
but thanks for pointing me the CGRect problem with this configuration !

i put a new diff file for the all thing here and deactivate for now  
the specific 10.5 function call, i will fix later this macro thing. :)

http://www.lpaudiolab.com/cpicasso/proj/sc/PenAdditions.diff

this should build fine...

tell me if it is ok

thx

best
charles


> looks very interesting but it fails to build here on my macbook pro  
> 2.16ghz, osx.4.11
> _f

>
>
>
> CompileC "Intermediate Build Files/Language.build/
> SuperCollider.build/Objects-normal/ppc/GUIPrimitives.o" /
> Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M normal ppc  
> objective-c++ com.apple.compilers.gcc.4_0
>    cd /Applications/SuperCollider3
>    /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x objective-c++ -arch ppc -pipe -Wno-trigraphs -
> fobjc-exceptions -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -Os -fmessage-
> length=0 -funroll-loops -mtune=G4 -ftree-vectorize -
> fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-
> min=10.4 -I/Applications/SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\ Files/
> Language.build/SuperCollider.build/SuperCollider.hmap -mdynamic-no-
> pic -F/Applications/SuperCollider3/build -F/Developer/SDKs/
> MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/
> Versions/A/Frameworks -F/Applications/SuperCollider3/build -I/
> Applications/SuperCollider3/build/include -I/Applications/
> SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\ Files/Language.build/
> SuperCollider.build/DerivedSources -DSC_DARWIN -Wstrict-aliasing -
> isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -c /Applications/
> SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M -o /Applications/
> SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\ Files/Language.build/
> SuperCollider.build/Objects-normal/ppc/GUIPrimitives.o
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M: In function  
> 'int prPen_BeginTransparencyLayer(VMGlobals*, int)':
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2831: error:  
> 'struct CGRect' has no member named 'width'
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2831: error:  
> 'struct CGRect' has no member named 'height'
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2834: error:  
> 'CGContextBeginTransparencyLayerWithRect' was not declared in this  
> scope
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M: In function  
> 'void stringBounds(char*, int, Rect&)':
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3463:  
> warning: 'GetFontInfo' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
> MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
> ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
> QuickdrawText.h:540)
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3463:  
> warning: 'GetFontInfo' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
> MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
> ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
> QuickdrawText.h:540)
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3465:  
> warning: 'TextWidth' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
> MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
> ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
> QuickdrawText.h:513)
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3465:  
> warning: 'TextWidth' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
> MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
> ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
> QuickdrawText.h:513)
>
> CompileC "Intermediate Build Files/Language.build/
> SuperCollider.build/Objects-normal/i386/GUIPrimitives.o" /
> Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M normal i386  
> objective-c++ com.apple.compilers.gcc.4_0
>    cd /Applications/SuperCollider3
>    /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x objective-c++ -arch i386 -pipe -Wno-trigraphs  
> -fobjc-exceptions -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -Os -fmessage-
> length=0 -funroll-loops -ftree-vectorize -msse3 -fvisibility=hidden -
> fvisibility-inlines-hidden -mmacosx-version-min=10.4 -I/Applications/
> SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\ Files/Language.build/
> SuperCollider.build/SuperCollider.hmap -mdynamic-no-pic -F/
> Applications/SuperCollider3/build -F/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/
> System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/
> Frameworks -F/Applications/SuperCollider3/build -I/Applications/
> SuperCollider3/build/include -I/Applications/SuperCollider3/
> Intermediate\ Build\ Files/Language.build/SuperCollider.build/
> DerivedSources -DSC_DARWIN -Wstrict-aliasing -isysroot /Developer/
> SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -c /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/
> GUIPrimitives.M -o /Applications/SuperCollider3/Intermediate\ Build\  
> Files/Language.build/SuperCollider.build/Objects-normal/i386/
> GUIPrimitives.o
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M: In function  
> 'int prPen_BeginTransparencyLayer(VMGlobals*, int)':
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2831: error:  
> 'struct CGRect' has no member named 'width'
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2831: error:  
> 'struct CGRect' has no member named 'height'
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:2834: error:  
> 'CGContextBeginTransparencyLayerWithRect' was not declared in this  
> scope
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M: In function  
> 'void stringBounds(char*, int, Rect&)':
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3463:  
> warning: 'GetFontInfo' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
> MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
> ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
> QuickdrawText.h:540)
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3463:  
> warning: 'GetFontInfo' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
> MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
> ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
> QuickdrawText.h:540)
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3465:  
> warning: 'TextWidth' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
> MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
> ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
> QuickdrawText.h:513)
> /Applications/SuperCollider3/Source/app/GUIPrimitives.M:3465:  
> warning: 'TextWidth' is deprecated (declared at /Developer/SDKs/
> MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/
> ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/
> QuickdrawText.h:513)
> ** BUILD FAILED **
>
>
>
> 21 jul 2008 kl. 22.25 skrev thelych@...:
>
>> If some are interested in it...
>> here are some primitive additions to Pen (more bonus-like than  
>> really important (and os x only) but i remember some requested at  
>> least a curve primitive)
>>
>> so mainly i added
>>
>> - native bezier curves primitive (curveTo, quadCurveTo)
>> - shadows
>> - gradients (axial, radial)
>> - dash line patterns ...ect... and some more
>>
>> <PenAdditions.diff>
>>
>>
>> attached diff if one needs it or wants it, just help yourself... :)
>> not tested on PPC but seems ok on Intel although not intensively  
>> tested...
>>
>> it updates :
>> GUIPrimitives.M
>> Pen.sc
>> Pen.html
>>
>>
>> best,
>> charles
>
>
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[Fredrik Olofsson]

very nice!  works.  i'd be happy to have this in the distro.
although you use clipRect in the pen helpfile example.  is this your  
own private method?
_f

22 jul 2008 kl. 19.55 skrev thelych@...:

> Hi Fredrik,
>
> the -mmacosx-version-min is fine so i don't really understand why  
> the macro switch as if you had 10.5
> but thanks for pointing me the CGRect problem with this  
> configuration !
>
> i put a new diff file for the all thing here and deactivate for now  
> the specific 10.5 function call, i will fix later this macro thing. :)
>
> http://www.lpaudiolab.com/cpicasso/proj/sc/PenAdditions.diff
>
> this should build fine...
>
> tell me if it is ok
>
> thx
>
> best
> charles

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[thelych]

Hi Fredrik,

glad you like it :)

very nice!  works.  i'd be happy to have this in the distro.
although you use clipRect in the pen helpfile example.  is this your own private method?
_f

oh yes.... pretty bad mistake because you do not need really this line to make the example work, i forgot to erase it ! 

That should be corrected for sure.

in case you want the method :)

*clipRect {

|argRect|

this.addRect(argRect);

this.clip;

}

but i think you can erase simply erase this line in the setLineDash example.

best

charles

22 jul 2008 kl. 19.55 skrev thelych@...:

Hi Fredrik,

the -mmacosx-version-min is fine so i don't really understand why the macro switch as if you had 10.5

but thanks for pointing me the CGRect problem with this configuration !

i put a new diff file for the all thing here and deactivate for now the specific 10.5 function call, i will fix later this macro thing. :)

http://www.lpaudiolab.com/cpicasso/proj/sc/PenAdditions.diff

this should build fine...

tell me if it is ok

thx

best

charles

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[thor-2]

Please put it in the distro!
I don't know how to apply this patch.

(there was a mail on that once, but searching for "patch" in the  
archives gives lots of
other results : )



On 22 Jul 2008, at 13:14, Fredrik Olofsson wrote:

> very nice!  works.  i'd be happy to have this in the distro.
> although you use clipRect in the pen helpfile example.  is this  
> your own private method?
> _f
>
> 22 jul 2008 kl. 19.55 skrev thelych@...:
>
>> Hi Fredrik,
>>
>> the -mmacosx-version-min is fine so i don't really understand why  
>> the macro switch as if you had 10.5
>> but thanks for pointing me the CGRect problem with this  
>> configuration !
>>
>> i put a new diff file for the all thing here and deactivate for  
>> now the specific 10.5 function call, i will fix later this macro  
>> thing. :)
>>
>> http://www.lpaudiolab.com/cpicasso/proj/sc/PenAdditions.diff
>>
>> this should build fine...
>>
>> tell me if it is ok
>>
>> thx
>>
>> best
>> charles
>
>
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[nescivi]

On Tuesday 22 July 2008 10:49:21 thor wrote:
> Please put it in the distro!
> I don't know how to apply this patch.
>
> (there was a mail on that once, but searching for "patch" in the
> archives gives lots of
> other results : )

open a terminal
and type
man patch

sincerely,
Marije

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[Fredrik Olofsson]

even though many of us would like to see these additions included in  
the distribution, i think sciss should have a say.  better to keep  
swing and cocoa in sync than to add new features.
but at least curveTo and quadCurveTo shouldn't be a problem as JPen  
already have these two implemented.  and from what i could see (after  
a few simple tests), they are identical to charles' osx implementation.


(
mail about patch and diff by felix...
http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/msg02809.html
and now also under swiki/supercollider/developingSC/faq/
http://swiki.hfbk-hamburg.de:8888/MusicTechnology/884
)


23 jul 2008 kl. 00.29 skrev nescivi:

> On Tuesday 22 July 2008 10:49:21 thor wrote:
>> Please put it in the distro!
>> I don't know how to apply this patch.
>>
>> (there was a mail on that once, but searching for "patch" in the
>> archives gives lots of
>> other results : )
>
> open a terminal
> and type
> man patch
>
> sincerely,
> Marije

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[James Harkins-2]

On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Fredrik Olofsson wrote:

even though many of us would like to see these additions included in the distribution, i think sciss should have a say.  better to keep swing and cocoa in sync than to add new features.

Yes yes yes -- these should be added as feature requests to the swingosc project at SF.

We really need to find one or two folks who know java to add these swing features -- currently every GUI enhancement on OSX means more pressure for sciss, which is not a good situation.

hjh

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[thor-2]

I understand that cross-platform support is good. No doubt.

However, in the current situation with many GUI servers, there will be

no progress or development if every addition has to be supported immediately

on all GUI platforms. 

I suggest that this little addition (a few methods to Pen) should be included in

the source and then we file a feature request for SwingOSC to support it.

There are things that only work on Cocoa anyway:

- Quarts Composer view

- focusColor_

- Pen Tablet

- and lots more that I can't remember right now (I stumbled into quite a few of them)

And lets not forget all the great stuff that SwingOSC gives us that is not supported

in Cocoa.

Pardon me if I'm not seeing some obvious argument against what I'm saying

but this is how I think we can get anywhere with SuperCollider.

On 23 Jul 2008, at 03:03, James Harkins wrote:

On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Fredrik Olofsson wrote:

even though many of us would like to see these additions included in the distribution, i think sciss should have a say.  better to keep swing and cocoa in sync than to add new features.

Yes yes yes -- these should be added as feature requests to the swingosc project at SF.

We really need to find one or two folks who know java to add these swing features -- currently every GUI enhancement on OSX means more pressure for sciss, which is not a good situation.

hjh

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Well, a related point is that with real releases, we have time for cross-platform things to catch up if need be.

In the meantime code can be tested by us bleeding edge types.

That said, I have a lot of sympathy for Sciss (and Marije, and Chris...)

S.

On 23 Jul 2008, at 11:16, thor wrote:

I understand that cross-platform support is good. No doubt.

However, in the current situation with many GUI servers, there will be

no progress or development if every addition has to be supported immediately

on all GUI platforms. 

I suggest that this little addition (a few methods to Pen) should be included in

the source and then we file a feature request for SwingOSC to support it.

There are things that only work on Cocoa anyway:

- Quarts Composer view

- focusColor_

- Pen Tablet

- and lots more that I can't remember right now (I stumbled into quite a few of them)

And lets not forget all the great stuff that SwingOSC gives us that is not supported

in Cocoa.

Pardon me if I'm not seeing some obvious argument against what I'm saying

but this is how I think we can get anywhere with SuperCollider.

On 23 Jul 2008, at 03:03, James Harkins wrote:

On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Fredrik Olofsson wrote:

even though many of us would like to see these additions included in the distribution, i think sciss should have a say.  better to keep swing and cocoa in sync than to add new features.

Yes yes yes -- these should be added as feature requests to the swingosc project at SF.

We really need to find one or two folks who know java to add these swing features -- currently every GUI enhancement on OSX means more pressure for sciss, which is not a good situation.

hjh

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Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,

Sing me the universal."  -- Whitman

[andrea valle-3]

That said, I have a lot of sympathy for Sciss (and Marije, and Chris...)

(***Please note***: me too.)

We can add to Thor's list Document and the help file system. 

More, I can report here after having examined 10/15 students.

I had two osxers (no troubles at all), and a really smart guy on linux (some -solved- troubles, but it's a peculiar case as he made some eccentric stuff with JCollider).

The other were on win. They *all* reported troubles with 3.2 Psycollider (I haven't asked by myself, they spontaneously felt the need to inform the teacher...).

Many told me that they were never able to close cleanly a session.

They were on different os (mainly xp, but also vista, 2003 server), but same experience.

In general, the osx experience is still a much more pleasant than the win one.

It can be just a fact.

But if cross platform is relevant, this is a big issue.

I know I can't help, so shame on me, but the idea of a e.g. Qt based unified IDE is a great one (like in PD).

It wouldn't prevent specific IDE "flavors" (Cocoa, Swing etc)

-a-

S.

On 23 Jul 2008, at 11:16, thor wrote:

I understand that cross-platform support is good. No doubt.

However, in the current situation with many GUI servers, there will be

no progress or development if every addition has to be supported immediately

on all GUI platforms. 

I suggest that this little addition (a few methods to Pen) should be included in

the source and then we file a feature request for SwingOSC to support it.

There are things that only work on Cocoa anyway:

- Quarts Composer view

- focusColor_

- Pen Tablet

- and lots more that I can't remember right now (I stumbled into quite a few of them)

And lets not forget all the great stuff that SwingOSC gives us that is not supported

in Cocoa.

Pardon me if I'm not seeing some obvious argument against what I'm saying

but this is how I think we can get anywhere with SuperCollider.

On 23 Jul 2008, at 03:03, James Harkins wrote:

On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Fredrik Olofsson wrote:

even though many of us would like to see these additions included in the distribution, i think sciss should have a say.  better to keep swing and cocoa in sync than to add new features.

Yes yes yes -- these should be added as feature requests to the swingosc project at SF.

We really need to find one or two folks who know java to add these swing features -- currently every GUI enhancement on OSX means more pressure for sciss, which is not a good situation.

hjh

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Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,

Sing me the universal."  -- Whitman

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