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PTViewer to display Panorama in Chrome (Google Browser)

2008-09-05T16:04:58Z

Hello,
does anybody know how to properly display panoramas using ptviewer in
Chrome, that new browser Google has recently released?
The url below shows samples of panoramas that display properly in IE7,
Firefox2 & 3, Opera9 but not in Chrome.
http://www.halo-photographs.com/summer-snow-2008/index.html
<http://www.halo-photographs.com/summer-snow-2008/index.html>

Any feedback, suggestions or tips and tricks to avoid traps are
appreciated.

Good light, Hans.

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Tombs of Fatehpur Sikri tour

2008-09-05T13:58:50Z

Here are some new panos I put together showing the tombs at Fatehpur
Sikri, India.
Follow the hotspot "More Tombs" and when you get back outside click on
the hotspot "Tomb Front Door" and it will take you into the Tomb of
Sheikh Salim Chisti.
http://www.indiavrtours.com/fatehpur_sikri/fs_tombs4.html

Enjoy,
Roger Berry

Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T11:35:16Z

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "bohonus" <bradford@...> wrote:
>
> Active D-Lighting works fine when using the camera in manual mode.
>

Hi Bradford, you are right - i am wrong!
Active D Lighting actually works fine - even in manual mode. I tried it the first time when i
had the camera new and i have no idea what went wrong but i did not see any change in the
image with or without active D-Lighing. And i did not try it since then... well: it works!
Thanks for "letting me try it again" ;-)

Peter/360pixel.de

Grand Canyon spherical in HiRes

2008-09-05T09:39:52Z

It seems quite a waste to fill almost half the picture with clear
blue sky but I can't help. Once you get used to this stuff you barely
want anything else.

Almost exactly one year has passed now since I took the trail down to
Skeleton Point and diving into the picture still brings the water
into my eyes.

24.576 px wide, Canon 5D and a decent Zeiss lense.

http://schrader-air.de/panorama/grandcanyon/

Enjoy
Jürgen

Outstanding pano sites

2008-09-05T09:12:01Z

Hi, all:

I am looking for input... I would like to hear from you about sites that present panos well. I'm
not as much interested in the panos themselves, but in the presentation. I recall some
discussions here and there, and I remember looking at some cool sites - but I had to delete a
long-standing browser history recently, and I can't seem to come up with the right keywords
to find them in a post archive search.

Thanks in advance for your opinions!

Best regards,
Gary
-
-
Gary O'Brien
Photographer
Charlotte, NC USA
http://garyobrien.com
http://panoramist.blogspot.com
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Res: Res: auto play flash cd in fullscreen ?

2008-09-05T09:07:09Z

I forgot to say I've done it on Windows only.
I don't know if Linux and Mac have something like this. Though I'm pretty sure every Windows version since 95 do have CD autostart functionality.

I use the projector executable Flash gives me (it can create projectors for Windows and Mac as well).
If there was some "trojan" software inside the CD, being fullscreen or not wouldn't make any difference at all, the whole "bad" stuff could be easily hidden even if the pano was in a window. Also, using Actionscript the programmer can make the SWF go fullscreen anytime he wants.

But I hope my clients trust me.
By the way, I always give the option to switch to a window mode.

Augusto

----- Mensagem original ----
De: Lars O. Grobe <grobe@...>
Para: PanoToolsNG@...
Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 5 de Setembro de 2008 11:53:33
Assunto: Re: Res: [PanoToolsNG] auto play flash cd in fullscreen ?

> Yes, it's possible, I've done it.

Are you sure? I hope that on my Linux and Mac installations, a CD would
never be "autostarted" (except if it is a boot CD and I reboot the
machine) and certainly not in full screen (this is a far too easy way of
e.g. faking a log-in prompt as shown when resuming from the
screen-saver, and doing not-so-nice things with user account data)... I
know that there was something like a autostart function on some Windows
versions, but as far this was a very platform-specific "feature".

CU Lars.

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Re: Re: ... another aerial pano

2008-09-05T08:50:09Z

Hi Bernd,

Your technique is excellent. A marrage of art and technology.

Keep your airspeed up...

Ken

Bernd wrote:

> @ Ken Warner:
> thatâ€™s a real good question, sorry for laughing ;-)
> Seriously, the flight deck shows the current speed (85 mp/h) and
> thatâ€™s good , cause otherwise we would do a nosedive ;-)
> Of Course I understand your question.. Due to the speed, there should
> be lots of parallax.
> To avoid this you can go one like this.
> Shot the pic's quick but also pointedly every 90Â°. Let's just say it
> takes 8 seconds, that's okay.
> When stitching the pictures the controlpoints shout only be set on
> the plane. The landscape is far away enough so lots of things get
> corrected via the stitcher. (Since years Iâ€™m very happy with PTGui)
> All other aberration you can adjust via Layertechnics with a graphical
> software subsequently. (I use PS CS2).
>
> @ JeanPierre Lavoie:
> For this pano I used a Canon400D with the Sigma 8mm/F3,5, a homemade
> bracket, a central pillar from a tripod, a cable release and lot's of
> crepe tape ;-)
>
> all the best
> Bernd
> http://www.360Bilder.de
>
>
>
>
>>--- In PanoToolsNG@..., Ken Warner ...> wrote:
>>
>>How do you get the plane to stop in mid air long enough to take
>>a sequence????
>>
>>
>>
>>--- In PanoToolsNG@..., JeanPierre Lavoie...> wrote:
>>
>>Fantastic shot Bernd! What camera and lens do you use, the image is
>>very sharp.
>>
>
>
>

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Re: Res: auto play flash cd in fullscreen ?

2008-09-05T07:53:33Z

> Yes, it's possible, I've done it.

Are you sure? I hope that on my Linux and Mac installations, a CD would
never be "autostarted" (except if it is a boot CD and I reboot the
machine) and certainly not in full screen (this is a far too easy way of
e.g. faking a log-in prompt as shown when resuming from the
screen-saver, and doing not-so-nice things with user account data)... I
know that there was something like a autostart function on some Windows
versions, but as far this was a very platform-specific "feature".

CU Lars.

Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T07:34:44Z

Sometime around 5/9/08 (at 10:59 +0100) Matthew Rogers said:

>Unless you absolutely need the increased resolution the D300 offers
>you'd be better off with the S5Pro. I can still instantly spot an
>S5Pro thumbnail on my desktop amongst dozens of others. Regardless of
>what everyone says you simply cannot match an S5Pro or S3Pro image via
>the RAW conversion process from other cameras.

I don't have the range of experience with other cameras that Matt and
some of the rest of you have, but I am very happy indeed with the
dynamic range of my S5Pro. I bought it after some very convincing
advice from Matt, and I haven't regretted it even for a second.

The only two flies in the ointment, as far as I'm concerned, are the
relative lack of *proper* support for the camera's RAW output and
Fuji's trash-worthy bundled software.
Adone Camera RAW and some other third-party tools see the RAW files
as 6.1MP rather than 12.2MP images, misunderstanding the way the
SuperCCD sensor structure works. However, Bibble Pro supports the
format properly and does an excellent job, saving me from having to
work with Fuji's software.

In short, believe the hype: the Fuji S5Pro is everything that Matt says.

k

Res: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T07:33:20Z

Great work Willy,

I really liked the way shadows/highlight were recovered on these panos.
Shadows recovery is just incredible and look very natural under this harsh sun.

Augusto Miranda
www.onzeonze.com.br

----- Mensagem original ----
De: Willy Kaemena <panokaemena@...>
Para: PanoToolsNG@...
Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 5 de Setembro de 2008 6:41:44
Assunto: Re: [PanoToolsNG] More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

I have my D300 now since Dec. 2007 already and I think the cam is
doing well on shadows without ADR but with a bit shadows/ highlight
applied in PS on the final equirect in TIFF prior to sharpening.

see here some examples all done with 4 shots only and without
bracketing

http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu432.html

Willy Kaemena

http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
http://bremen.360cities.net/
http://syria.360cities.net/
http://lisbon.360cities.net/

On Sep 5, 2008, at 7:47, AYRTON wrote:

> PerfectI must agree with Willy for sure
>
> best
> AYRTON
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:24 AM, <panokaemena@...> wrote:
>
> > My personal opinion about "ADR" is better not to use it, in order
> > to get an unaltered RAW which can be tweaked later in any way.
> >
> > There are two ways for me to lighten shadows if required
> > - PS Raw converter " Fill light"
> > - PS Shadow/Highlight function.
> >
> > Willy Kaemena
> >
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
> > http://bremen.360cities.net/
> > http://syria.360cities.net/
> > http://lisbon.360cities.net/
> >
> >
> > On Sep 5, 2008, at 7:05, Roger D. Williams wrote:
> >
> > > ...or as Ken Rockwell prefers to call it, ADR.
> > >
> > > It seems that the ADR function selected using the shooting
> > > memory IS active and DOES produce noticeably brighter shadow
> > > areas, effectively enhancing the ability to capture images
> > > of subjects with a wide dynamic range. To my mind, this
> > > makes the resulting images have a COMPRESSED dynamic range,
> > > but everyone seems to apply the term that actually refers
> > > to the subject to the IMAGE of the subject instead...
> > >
> > > I'll abandon that quibble, though, since it's preety clear
> > > what we mean by "high dynamic range."
> > >
> > > There seem to be two things going on. The exposure as a
> > > whole is shifted to a lower value than would normally be
> > > set, e.g., by the exposure program, giving more "head
> > > room" above the highlights, while at the same time the
> > > darker areas are slightly boosted.
> > >
> > > The visibility of this effect varies quite widely for
> > > different subjects, but at "low" or "normal" settings it
> > > is fairly subtle. I now use "high" as my default.
> > >
> > > The corresponding ADR function available via the "retouch"
> > > menu is a fiercer beast, and produces very clear effects,
> > > sometimes overdoing it. For one thing it immediately uses
> > > up any headroom above highlights. And if there were
> > > already a few "blown" areas, these will increase in size
> > > a little. The shadow areas can also tend to become too
> > > "thin" and grey. I reach for the black definition slider...
> > >
> > > I have yet to do any stitching with/without these functions
> > > and will report my experiences if and when I can make
> > > sense of them.
> > >
> > > You might like to note that separate settings for brightness
> > > and contrast are not available if you choose one of the
> > > Active D-Lighting options. D-lighting makes its own choices
> > > for these.
> > >
> > > Roger W.
> > >
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Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T07:31:20Z

> > It is called "active" because the camera's light meter and image
> > historgram reflect the results of the applied ADL while you are
shooting.
>
> I see. That makes sense. How do you know all these things? I'm
impressed.
> Of course, give me a few more days and I may learn a bit more...
<wry grin>

I have shot panoramas nearly every day with the Nikon D300. I have had
the camera since November of last year.

Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T07:28:21Z

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Peter Braatz" <panotools@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
> i too was hoping to use "Active D-Lighting" on my D300 when it
arrived to achieve a higher
> dynamic range in a single image. BUT - to my understanding - it can
or will not be used if
> you take your images with manually setting the aperture and speed :-(
> The camera measures the scene before recording the image (dynamic
range, speed +
> aperture) and will choose a (hopefully) right decision to conserve
the maximum of details of
> that scene. The camera can not do that when it is set to "M" (manual)...
> So i rarely use that feature with panoramas - sigh...

Active D-Lighting works fine when using the camera in manual mode.

Res: auto play flash cd in fullscreen ?

2008-09-05T07:23:44Z

Yes, it's possible, I've done it.
The way I did was embedding the pano into another SWF file that handles the fullscreen functionality, going fullscreen as soon as it's loaded.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Augusto Miranda
www.onzeonze.com.br

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De: Jeffrey Martin <360cities@...>
Para: panotoolsng <PANOtoolsng@...>
Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 5 de Setembro de 2008 11:02:24
Assunto: [PanoToolsNG] auto play flash cd in fullscreen ?

HI,

I want to make a standalone autoplay cd with panos in flash. and i want it
to go fullscreen right away.

is this possible? or does it have to use the browser and prompt the user to
click fullscreen?

thanks,
Jeffrey

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www.360cities.net - The World in Virtual Reality
tel. +420 608 076 502 / skype jeffrey.s.martin

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Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T07:15:49Z

Sometime around 5/9/08 (at 14:55 +0900) Roger D. Williams said:

>Well, you can still get RAW (ADR can be coupled with the
>RAW shooting option) and tweak it later if you need to.

So does this effectively provide preset image adjustments alongside
the actual RAW captured values? Or is it actually manipulating the
RAW values directly in some way? Is it possible to remove/discard
these changes afterwards when processing the RAW files?

k

auto play flash cd in fullscreen ?

2008-09-05T07:02:24Z

HI,

I want to make a standalone autoplay cd with panos in flash. and i want it
to go fullscreen right away.

is this possible? or does it have to use the browser and prompt the user to
click fullscreen?

thanks,
Jeffrey

Jeffrey Martin
www.360cities.net - The World in Virtual Reality
tel. +420 608 076 502 / skype jeffrey.s.martin

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Re: ... another aerial pano

2008-09-05T04:33:26Z

@ Ken Warner:
thatâs a real good question, sorry for laughing ;-)
Seriously, the flight deck shows the current speed (85 mp/h) and
thatâs good , cause otherwise we would do a nosedive ;-)
Of Course I understand your question.. Due to the speed, there should
be lots of parallax.
To avoid this you can go one like this.
Shot the pic's quick but also pointedly every 90Â°. Let's just say it
takes 8 seconds, that's okay.
When stitching the pictures the controlpoints shout only be set on
the plane. The landscape is far away enough so lots of things get
corrected via the stitcher. (Since years Iâm very happy with PTGui)
All other aberration you can adjust via Layertechnics with a graphical
software subsequently. (I use PS CS2).

@ JeanPierre Lavoie:
For this pano I used a Canon400D with the Sigma 8mm/F3,5, a homemade
bracket, a central pillar from a tripod, a cable release and lot's of
crepe tape ;-)

all the best
Bernd
http://www.360Bilder.de

>--- In PanoToolsNG@..., Ken Warner ...> wrote:
>
> How do you get the plane to stop in mid air long enough to take
> a sequence????
>
>
>
>--- In PanoToolsNG@..., JeanPierre Lavoie...> wrote:
>
> Fantastic shot Bernd! What camera and lens do you use, the image is
> very sharp.
>

Camera with Active ISO

2008-09-05T03:49:26Z

I'd love to see a camera in the future that would have what I
call "Active ISO".

With Active ISO activated, you would set a base ISO as usual, and then
select a program for Highlight recovery, Shadow recovery or both.
When taking a picture, the camera would actively alter the ISO setting
of each photosite on the sensor to match the selected program.

I'm not sure if I'm completely missing something here, but in my mind
it must be better than anything out there yet...

/ Ingemar

Recherche un photographe panoramiste sur Paris et sa région

2008-09-05T03:40:43Z

/// URGENT ///

Nous recherchons un photographe panoramiste pour une session de
shooting de 2 heures, le 27 septembre entre 18h30 et 20h30, vers Roissy.
Il s'agit de réaliser quelques panoramas à 360° d'une grande salle de
mariage.
Les qualités requises pour réaliser ce reportage sont décrites ci-dessous.

Merci, de me faire votre offre par e-mail : nicolas.salin ((at)) gmail.com

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Notre société recherche dans le cadre de missions ponctuelles, un
photographe pour réaliser des photographies panoramiques à 360° dans
des hôtels haut de gamme, sur Paris et sa région.

De part la spécificité de notre clientèle, nous recherchons une
personne maitrisant :
- la prise de vue en intérieur dans des conditions de lumières faibles
- le mode bracketing (multi-exposition) pour la gestion des lumières
extrêmes (fenêtres, etc .. )
- le stitching, le fusing (Enfuse), la gestion des couleurs, , bref,
tout ce qui est nécessaire pour réaliser des panos de top-qualité ! wink

Les photographies produites doivent mesurer au minimum 8500px de large
au format equirectangulaire, mais si votre matériel fait mieux, tant
mieux !

Si vous avez une voiture, cela peut-être un plus !

Contact : Nicolas SALIN >> nicolas.salin ((at)) gmail.com

Notre site : www.clicknview.fr

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Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T02:59:27Z

> If it effectively increases the dynamic range, that seems to
> be a strong point in its favour. I hesitated over whether to
> get a Fujipro S5 (technology that is two year's old) because
> of the advantage in dynamic range.
>

This is a common misconception with D-Lighting and also the bit depth
of the DA conversion process. The dynamic range of an image is
captured at the sensor level. You can use as many tricks as you want
to try and smooth out the problem of limited dynamic range but you
can't invent new pixels. The dynamic range of both the d300 and d700
are noticeably better than the d200 but no camera can match the S5Pro
nor can they match the tonal range or colours.

Unless you absolutely need the increased resolution the D300 offers
you'd be better off with the S5Pro. I can still instantly spot an
S5Pro thumbnail on my desktop amongst dozens of others. Regardless of
what everyone says you simply cannot match an S5Pro or S3Pro image via
the RAW conversion process from other cameras.

Matt

Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T02:41:44Z

I have my D300 now since Dec. 2007 already and I think the cam is
doing well on shadows without ADR but with a bit shadows/ highlight
applied in PS on the final equirect in TIFF prior to sharpening.

see here some examples all done with 4 shots only and without
bracketing

http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu432.html

Willy Kaemena

http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
http://bremen.360cities.net/
http://syria.360cities.net/
http://lisbon.360cities.net/

On Sep 5, 2008, at 7:47, AYRTON wrote:

Re: Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T01:36:04Z

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:19:22 +0900, Peter Braatz <panotools@...>
wrote:

> Hi Roger,

> i too was hoping to use "Active D-Lighting" on my D300 when it arrived
> to achieve a higher
> dynamic range in a single image. BUT - to my understanding - it can or
> will not be used if
> you take your images with manually setting the aperture and speed :-(
> The camera measures the scene before recording the image (dynamic range,
> speed +
> aperture) and will choose a (hopefully) right decision to conserve the
> maximum of details of
> that scene. The camera can not do that when it is set to "M" (manual)...
> So i rarely use that feature with panoramas - sigh...

BumMER!

I noted that you cannot set contrast and brightness, as Active D-Lighting
takes over those functions, but if it can't (or won't) help when you
set aperture and speed manually, that's er, DISTINCTLY unhelpful.

I would have thought they'd let it do its best under all circumstances!
Inscrutable are the ways of Nikon.

Roger.

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Play: www.usefilm.com/member/roger

Re: Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T01:30:21Z

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:29:06 +0900, bohonus <bradford@...> wrote:

> --- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Roger D. Williams" <roger@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:44:55 +0900, bohonus <bradford@...> wrote:
>
>> So you WERE refering to the same thing. "Active" seems like it should be
>> called "passive" since it applies equally to all images without
> differen-
>> tiating between them.
>
> It is called "active" because the camera's light meter and image
> historgram reflect the results of the applied ADL while you are shooting.

I see. That makes sense. How do you know all these things? I'm impressed.
Of course, give me a few more days and I may learn a bit more... <wry grin>

Roger

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Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T01:19:22Z

Hi Roger,
i too was hoping to use "Active D-Lighting" on my D300 when it arrived to achieve a higher
dynamic range in a single image. BUT - to my understanding - it can or will not be used if
you take your images with manually setting the aperture and speed :-(
The camera measures the scene before recording the image (dynamic range, speed +
aperture) and will choose a (hopefully) right decision to conserve the maximum of details of
that scene. The camera can not do that when it is set to "M" (manual)...
So i rarely use that feature with panoramas - sigh...

Regards - Peter/360pixel.de

Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T00:29:06Z

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Roger D. Williams" <roger@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:44:55 +0900, bohonus <bradford@...> wrote:

> So you WERE refering to the same thing. "Active" seems like it should be
> called "passive" since it applies equally to all images without
differen-
> tiating between them.

It is called "active" because the camera's light meter and image
historgram reflect the results of the applied ADL while you are shooting.

Re: Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-05T00:00:35Z

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:44:55 +0900, bohonus <bradford@...> wrote:

> --- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Roger D. Williams" <roger@...>
>> > If you turn on ADL in the camera (D300) you can always "turn it off"
>> > during RAW conversion in Capture NX. However, you cannot do the
> reverse.
>>
>> Well, you can if you shoot RAW. <grin>
>
>
> This is not the case. If you have Active D-Lighting turned off in the
> camera, the option to use activate it is not available when working
> with the raw file in Capture NX.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was replying to the first part of
your comment. I didn't understand what you meant after that.

>> > Keep in mind Active D-Lighting is very different from D-Lighting.
>>
>> What do you mean? Are you referring to the difference between the
> shooting
>> opion and the retouching option? I think I have THAT straight. I can't
>> think
>> what else you might mean...
>
> Active D-Lighting acts more like an applied curve, in that it has the
> same effect on all images regardless of content. D-Lighting is
> calculated based on the content of the image, applying it in different
> ways for each image. If you use D-Lighting on a group of images to be
> stitched, you will find that they won't always match each other. Using
> Active D-Lighting, they will.

So you WERE refering to the same thing. "Active" seems like it should be
called "passive" since it applies equally to all images without differen-
tiating between them. I was pretty sure that what you say about D-Lighting
would prove to be true, i.e., that it would affect different images
differently. Hopefully the blend features in PTgui, which have frequently
succeeded in producing acceptable panoramas for me despite wide disparities
between adjacent shots caused by my ignorance or carelessness, will be
able to cope with these differences.

Roger W.

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Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-04T23:44:55Z

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Roger D. Williams" <roger@...>
> > If you turn on ADL in the camera (D300) you can always "turn it off"
> > during RAW conversion in Capture NX. However, you cannot do the
reverse.
>
> Well, you can if you shoot RAW. <grin>

This is not the case. If you have Active D-Lighting turned off in the
camera, the option to use activate it is not available when working
with the raw file in Capture NX.

> > Keep in mind Active D-Lighting is very different from D-Lighting.
>
> What do you mean? Are you referring to the difference between the
shooting
> opion and the retouching option? I think I have THAT straight. I can't
> think
> what else you might mean...

Active D-Lighting acts more like an applied curve, in that it has the
same effect on all images regardless of content. D-Lighting is
calculated based on the content of the image, applying it in different
ways for each image. If you use D-Lighting on a group of images to be
stitched, you will find that they won't always match each other. Using
Active D-Lighting, they will.

Re: Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-04T23:29:04Z

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:14:48 +0900, bohonus <bradford@...> wrote:

> --- In PanoToolsNG@..., AYRTON <avi@...> wrote:
>>
>> PerfectI must agree with Willy for sure
>>
>> best
>> AYRTON
>
>
> If you turn on ADL in the camera (D300) you can always "turn it off"
> during RAW conversion in Capture NX. However, you cannot do the reverse.

Well, you can if you shoot RAW. <grin>

> Keep in mind Active D-Lighting is very different from D-Lighting.

What do you mean? Are you referring to the difference between the shooting
opion and the retouching option? I think I have THAT straight. I can't
think
what else you might mean...

Roger W.

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Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-04T23:14:48Z

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., AYRTON <avi@...> wrote:
>
> PerfectI must agree with Willy for sure
>
> best
> AYRTON

If you turn on ADL in the camera (D300) you can always "turn it off"
during RAW conversion in Capture NX. However, you cannot do the reverse.

Keep in mind Active D-Lighting is very different from D-Lighting.

Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-04T22:58:27Z

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:47:38 +0900, AYRTON <avi@...> wrote:

> PerfectI must agree with Willy for sure

Can you briefly go over how it disappointed you in use?

I've asked Willy the same thing, as you both certainly
know a lot more about panorama making than I do!

Roger

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Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-04T22:55:13Z

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:24:53 +0900, <panokaemena@...> wrote:

> My personal opinion about "ADR" is better not to use it, in order

Have you given it a good work out? I'd be interested to
hear more details of your experiences. I only got my camera
the other day and the weather has been awful since...

> to get an unaltered RAW which can be tweaked later in any way.

Well, you can still get RAW (ADR can be coupled with the
RAW shooting option) and tweak it later if you need to. The
main advantage I can see is that you have something closer
to usable straight from the camera. It is only the very
powerful RETOUCH tool that forces you into JPEG.

If it effectively increases the dynamic range, that seems to
be a strong point in its favour. I hesitated over whether to
get a Fujipro S5 (technology that is two year's old) because
of the advantage in dynamic range. The D300 won out for
various reasons but I was happy to see this ADR feature as,
maybe, making up for the defects I found in the D200 with
its narrow dynamic range. Of course I was coming from film,
so probably nothing digital was going to satisfy me... <g>

> There are two ways for me to lighten shadows if required
> - PS Raw converter " Fill light"
> - PS Shadow/Highlight function.

I like the "fill light" function, which works very well. I
don't like to use the PS shadow/highlight function. I prefer
to keep out of PS as far as possible. Too easy for me to get
trapped in an unending downward spiral of adjustments that
take me further and further away from the original image.

My hope (untested as yet) is that stitching of images produced
using ADR will give good results with less pre- and post-
processing.

Roger W.

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Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-04T22:47:38Z

PerfectI must agree with Willy for sure

best
AYRTON

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:24 AM, <panokaemena@...> wrote:

> My personal opinion about "ADR" is better not to use it, in order
> to get an unaltered RAW which can be tweaked later in any way.
>
> There are two ways for me to lighten shadows if required
> - PS Raw converter " Fill light"
> - PS Shadow/Highlight function.
>
> Willy Kaemena
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
> http://bremen.360cities.net/
> http://syria.360cities.net/
> http://lisbon.360cities.net/
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2008, at 7:05, Roger D. Williams wrote:
>
> > ...or as Ken Rockwell prefers to call it, ADR.
> >
> > It seems that the ADR function selected using the shooting
> > memory IS active and DOES produce noticeably brighter shadow
> > areas, effectively enhancing the ability to capture images
> > of subjects with a wide dynamic range. To my mind, this
> > makes the resulting images have a COMPRESSED dynamic range,
> > but everyone seems to apply the term that actually refers
> > to the subject to the IMAGE of the subject instead...
> >
> > I'll abandon that quibble, though, since it's preety clear
> > what we mean by "high dynamic range."
> >
> > There seem to be two things going on. The exposure as a
> > whole is shifted to a lower value than would normally be
> > set, e.g., by the exposure program, giving more "head
> > room" above the highlights, while at the same time the
> > darker areas are slightly boosted.
> >
> > The visibility of this effect varies quite widely for
> > different subjects, but at "low" or "normal" settings it
> > is fairly subtle. I now use "high" as my default.
> >
> > The corresponding ADR function available via the "retouch"
> > menu is a fiercer beast, and produces very clear effects,
> > sometimes overdoing it. For one thing it immediately uses
> > up any headroom above highlights. And if there were
> > already a few "blown" areas, these will increase in size
> > a little. The shadow areas can also tend to become too
> > "thin" and grey. I reach for the black definition slider...
> >
> > I have yet to do any stitching with/without these functions
> > and will report my experiences if and when I can make
> > sense of them.
> >
> > You might like to note that separate settings for brightness
> > and contrast are not available if you choose one of the
> > Active D-Lighting options. D-lighting makes its own choices
> > for these.
> >
> > Roger W.
> >
> > --
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> > Play: www.usefilm.com/member/roger
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: ... another aerial pano

2008-09-04T22:33:41Z

Ahh... ehh... wtf!?? Darn! Sorry for the expletives folks,
I'm actually lost for words! ;-)

I wonder when we have commercial anti-gravity belts
available?

Congrads Bernd!

At 03:54 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote:

>Hi folks,
>I'm very happy to show you another aerial pano from last weekend.
>It was shot outside a propeller plane, a Boeing Stearman.
><http://www.360bilder.de/html/vr_stearman1.htm>http://www.360bilder.de/html/vr_stearman1.htm
>
>Have fun
>Bernd
><http://www.360Bilder.de>http://www.360Bilder.de

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Re: More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-04T22:24:53Z

My personal opinion about "ADR" is better not to use it, in order
to get an unaltered RAW which can be tweaked later in any way.

There are two ways for me to lighten shadows if required
- PS Raw converter " Fill light"
- PS Shadow/Highlight function.

Willy Kaemena

http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
http://bremen.360cities.net/
http://syria.360cities.net/
http://lisbon.360cities.net/

On Sep 5, 2008, at 7:05, Roger D. Williams wrote:

> ...or as Ken Rockwell prefers to call it, ADR.
>
> It seems that the ADR function selected using the shooting
> memory IS active and DOES produce noticeably brighter shadow
> areas, effectively enhancing the ability to capture images
> of subjects with a wide dynamic range. To my mind, this
> makes the resulting images have a COMPRESSED dynamic range,
> but everyone seems to apply the term that actually refers
> to the subject to the IMAGE of the subject instead...
>
> I'll abandon that quibble, though, since it's preety clear
> what we mean by "high dynamic range."
>
> There seem to be two things going on. The exposure as a
> whole is shifted to a lower value than would normally be
> set, e.g., by the exposure program, giving more "head
> room" above the highlights, while at the same time the
> darker areas are slightly boosted.
>
> The visibility of this effect varies quite widely for
> different subjects, but at "low" or "normal" settings it
> is fairly subtle. I now use "high" as my default.
>
> The corresponding ADR function available via the "retouch"
> menu is a fiercer beast, and produces very clear effects,
> sometimes overdoing it. For one thing it immediately uses
> up any headroom above highlights. And if there were
> already a few "blown" areas, these will increase in size
> a little. The shadow areas can also tend to become too
> "thin" and grey. I reach for the black definition slider...
>
> I have yet to do any stitching with/without these functions
> and will report my experiences if and when I can make
> sense of them.
>
> You might like to note that separate settings for brightness
> and contrast are not available if you choose one of the
> Active D-Lighting options. D-lighting makes its own choices
> for these.
>
> Roger W.
>
> --
> Work: www.adex-japan.com
> Play: www.usefilm.com/member/roger
>
>

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More thoughts on the Nikon D300's Active D-Lighting

2008-09-04T22:05:45Z

...or as Ken Rockwell prefers to call it, ADR.

It seems that the ADR function selected using the shooting
memory IS active and DOES produce noticeably brighter shadow
areas, effectively enhancing the ability to capture images
of subjects with a wide dynamic range. To my mind, this
makes the resulting images have a COMPRESSED dynamic range,
but everyone seems to apply the term that actually refers
to the subject to the IMAGE of the subject instead...

I'll abandon that quibble, though, since it's preety clear
what we mean by "high dynamic range."

There seem to be two things going on. The exposure as a
whole is shifted to a lower value than would normally be
set, e.g., by the exposure program, giving more "head
room" above the highlights, while at the same time the
darker areas are slightly boosted.

The visibility of this effect varies quite widely for
different subjects, but at "low" or "normal" settings it
is fairly subtle. I now use "high" as my default.

The corresponding ADR function available via the "retouch"
menu is a fiercer beast, and produces very clear effects,
sometimes overdoing it. For one thing it immediately uses
up any headroom above highlights. And if there were
already a few "blown" areas, these will increase in size
a little. The shadow areas can also tend to become too
"thin" and grey. I reach for the black definition slider...

I have yet to do any stitching with/without these functions
and will report my experiences if and when I can make
sense of them.

You might like to note that separate settings for brightness
and contrast are not available if you choose one of the
Active D-Lighting options. D-lighting makes its own choices
for these.

Roger W.

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Re: Flying on Rio ...

2008-09-04T13:52:45Z

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Manny Gonzalez <manny@...> wrote:

> Ayrton,
>
> Very nice pano, as always :-)
>
> But I hate to tell you, 3 prop helicopters, in the configuration shown on
> your pano, would crash immediately :-)
>

Yeahhh I know I have to remake it :-)
BUT it was only a 2 blades model :-)

best
AYRTON

>
>
> Cheers
> Manny
>
> 2008/9/3 AYRTON <avi@...>
>
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