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Re: Free -- precision optically flat glass plates

2008-10-05T08:57:25Z

At 10:57 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
>Olin Lathrop wrote:
> > but in general you will be judged by your use
> > of words, spelling, and grammer...
>
>Agreed,
>http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/grammer.html
>:-)

Judged and found wnating?

An excellent example of "Skitt's Law"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_eponymous_laws

>Best regards,

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Re: Free -- precision optically flat glass plates

2008-10-05T07:57:14Z

Olin Lathrop wrote:
> but in general you will be judged by your use
> of words, spelling, and grammer...

Agreed,
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/grammer.html
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Re: Free -- precision optically flat glass plates

2008-10-05T06:11:35Z

Apptech wrote:
> It desno't metatr too mcuh - rcenet reeasrch has swohn taht as lnog
> as the frist and lsat lttrees are ccrreot you can rrraeage the
> lretets wiihtn a wrod wtih ltitle lsos of inteliliilitgby. In tihs
> csae you actually just adedd a letter, but as long as that leettr is
> alraedy in use, as it is here, then it mkaes little dffrnceeie.

Yes, I can understand what you wrote, but it's also very annoying to do so.
In this case I understand you did it on purpose to prove a point, but in
general you will be judged by your use of words, spelling, and grammer,
whether you like it or not. In other words, there is more to writing than
conveying the intended information. You may achieve that, but piss off the
readers, convince them your a moron, a jerk, or a waste of time in some
other way. This will likely not achieve the intended result.

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Re: Free -- precision optically flat glass plates

2008-10-04T21:19:48Z

>> Chanaged tag.

> My apolobogies for the spelling error.

It desno't metatr too mcuh - rcenet reeasrch has swohn taht as lnog as the
frist and lsat lttrees are ccrreot you can rrraeage the lretets wiihtn a
wrod wtih ltitle lsos of inteliliilitgby. In tihs csae you actually just
adedd a letter, but as long as that leettr is alraedy in use, as it is here,
then it mkaes little dffrnceeie.

Russell

E&OE

I'm not sure it's true if you work at the scrambling.

It doesn't matter too much - recent research has shown that as long as the
first and last
letters are correct you can rearrange the letters within a word with little
loss of intelligibility. In this case

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Re: Free -- precision optically flat glass plates

2008-10-04T16:30:29Z

Vitaliy wrote:
> Chanaged tag.

My apolobogies for the spelling error.
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Free -- precision optically flat glass plates

2008-10-04T14:31:43Z

Chanaged tag.

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Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 13:46
Subject: [OT] : Free -- precision optically flat glass plates

> about 12 by 12 inches
>
> Cedric Chang
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Engineer looking for jobs

2008-09-18T11:50:25Z

I am looking for contract work that I can telecommute to or be near
Boston which is where I live. I am currently employed as the principal
engineer at a small design company.

I have direct experience with:
- Microcontroller firmware: PICs, AVRs (C and assembly)
- FPGA hardware design (Xilinx)
- Mixed-signal electronics
- Analog electronics
- Low power circuit design
- board design (Eagle 4.9/5.0)
- Switching power supplies and motor control
- Linux, FreeBSD, scripting/coding, etc.
- Encryption systems

Due to having a full time job there may be limitations on the projects I
can work on to satisfy my employment agreements, but I'd rather discuss
details with you directly.

Please email me directly, not on the PIClist, if you are interested. I
look forward to hearing from you.

-
Martin K.

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USBProg PIC programmer now available in rugged box

2008-08-31T14:54:52Z

The USBProg PIC programmer is now also available as the USBProg2, which is
housed in a rugged box. The original open-circuit board USBProg will
continue to be available.

The USBProg is targeted for professional or lab use where the robustness
from full adherence to the specs is important. The USBProg2 is targeted for
field use where it will get bounced around and must tolerate some physical
abuse.

http://www.embedinc.com/products/usbprog2

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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-21T08:47:04Z

Actually, if you already have the PIC18F2550 and 24LC512, which count about 20-30% of the total material cost, the low cost "ICKCB0703 - CB0703 Electronic Components Kits without U1, U3, U4" is not a bad deal at all.

There are many people seems really enjoy the process of do-it-yourself. We do see some of them came back buy more CB0703 kits once they succeeded on the first run. It is quite interesting Massachusetts and Texas are the top two states on our CB0703-DIY-kits customer list.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:55:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AD]CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

Vitaliy wrote:
> Martin K wrote:
>
>> I just ordered two boards for $13. Not bad IMO.
>>
>
> What's the total parts cost per programmer?
>
I don't know. I have most of the parts in stock except for the PICs
which I'll get as samples. I'll probably just have to buy the USB sockets.
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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-21T07:55:52Z

Vitaliy wrote:
> Martin K wrote:
>
>> I just ordered two boards for $13. Not bad IMO.
>>
>
> What's the total parts cost per programmer?
>
I don't know. I have most of the parts in stock except for the PICs
which I'll get as samples. I'll probably just have to buy the USB sockets.
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wanted: 28C256

2008-08-21T07:54:19Z

I'm looking for a couple 28[H]C256 or even just 128 to play with for an
HC11 project. (going retro) 28 DIP.
If you have a couple you'd part with for less than the digikey price,
I'd be interested.
Danke,
Martin
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Re: change please Own a US phone number no matter where you live@ $19.95/year?

2008-08-20T12:00:59Z

I personally think both will fit. That's why I picked [OT] at the first moment.
Then when people argued I should put [AD] instead, so I did.
I have no issue to go with either one.
Rules set by people and it depends on people's feeling and understanding of these rules.
If you think there are some useful information which will benefit all PIClister, please feel free to generate another [OT] topic.
So everybody is happy and get some benefit.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

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To: piclist@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:53:37 PM
Subject: Fw: [AD] change please Own a US phone number no matter where you live@ $19.95/year?

>I just changed this from [OT] to [AD] per some PIClister's request.
> Now you are asking me doing the reverse? Why?
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OT : This label is for posts that are completely off the topic of PICs and
engineering.
AD : This label is for posts advertising a commercial product or service

Discussing having a number service when in a different country has nothing
to do with PIC and engineering. AD is for posting a product or service by a
company or person. OT would be the better area for this after the service
and information has been posted the first time.

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Fw: change please Own a US phone number no matter where you live@ $19.95/year?

2008-08-20T10:53:37Z

>I just changed this from [OT] to [AD] per some PIClister's request.
> Now you are asking me doing the reverse? Why?
from
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OT : This label is for posts that are completely off the topic of PICs and
engineering.
AD : This label is for posts advertising a commercial product or service

Discussing having a number service when in a different country has nothing
to do with PIC and engineering. AD is for posting a product or service by a
company or person. OT would be the better area for this after the service
and information has been posted the first time.

Angelo Castellano
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Re: express card frame kit

2008-08-20T10:30:38Z

Sorry but I can't do this. It's a prototype followed by production.
All components on the BOM must be available later, you know that.

thx,
Vasile

On 8/20/08, M. Adam Davis <stienman@...> wrote:

> Well, for small prototype quantities you can go and find $20 express
> card products that you can disassemble, de-label, and desolder the
> connector for. Would be a pretty big pain, though...
>
> -Adam
>
> On 8/20/08, Vasile Surducan <piclist9@...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I need quite urgent 20-30 pcs of 35mm and/or 54mm express card frame kit.
> > The chinese manufacturers either does not have available or just not
> > manufacturing this stuf. Here is a picture of what I need:
> >
> > http://wisepower.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008803674046/pdtl/PC-card/1001397150/Express-Card-Frame-Kits.htm
> > or
> > http://wisepower.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008803674046/pdtl/PC-card/1001397114/Express-Card-Frame-Kits.htm
> >
> > Those two parts are fake, they did not exist in reality!
> > Someone have for sale this kind of express card frame, or just know
> > any serious vendor ?
> >
> > thank you,
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Re: change please Own a US phone number no matter where you live @ $19.95/year?

2008-08-20T09:49:15Z

I just changed this from [OT] to [AD] per some PIClister's request.
Now you are asking me doing the reverse? Why?

Funny N.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:27:47 PM
Subject: Fw: [AD] change please Own a US phone number no matter where you live @ $19.95/year?

Can we please change this to [OT] ?

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Fw: change please Own a US phone number no matter where you live @ $19.95/year?

2008-08-20T09:27:47Z

Can we please change this to [OT] ?

Angelo Castellano
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Re: express card frame kit

2008-08-20T09:05:16Z

Well, for small prototype quantities you can go and find $20 express
card products that you can disassemble, de-label, and desolder the
connector for. Would be a pretty big pain, though...

-Adam

On 8/20/08, Vasile Surducan <piclist9@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I need quite urgent 20-30 pcs of 35mm and/or 54mm express card frame kit.
> The chinese manufacturers either does not have available or just not
> manufacturing this stuf. Here is a picture of what I need:
>
> http://wisepower.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008803674046/pdtl/PC-card/1001397150/Express-Card-Frame-Kits.htm
> or
> http://wisepower.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008803674046/pdtl/PC-card/1001397114/Express-Card-Frame-Kits.htm
>
> Those two parts are fake, they did not exist in reality!
> Someone have for sale this kind of express card frame, or just know
> any serious vendor ?
>
> thank you,
> Vasile
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express card frame kit

2008-08-20T07:56:45Z

Hi,

I need quite urgent 20-30 pcs of 35mm and/or 54mm express card frame kit.
The chinese manufacturers either does not have available or just not
manufacturing this stuf. Here is a picture of what I need:

http://wisepower.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008803674046/pdtl/PC-card/1001397150/Express-Card-Frame-Kits.htm
or
http://wisepower.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008803674046/pdtl/PC-card/1001397114/Express-Card-Frame-Kits.htm

Those two parts are fake, they did not exist in reality!
Someone have for sale this kind of express card frame, or just know
any serious vendor ?

thank you,
Vasile
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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-20T07:11:59Z

Martin K wrote:
> I just ordered two boards for $13. Not bad IMO.

What's the total parts cost per programmer?
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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-19T12:21:37Z

Greeting Martin,
It is good to hear from you again.
Your order has been shipped this afternoon, you should be able to receive it in the next couple of days.

Thanks,
Regards,
Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

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Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:00:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AD]CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

M. Adam Davis wrote:
> This would be exactly the same as your current offer, unless you
> profit from the S&H (ie, you're selling S&H as a product, it's not
> merely to cover the incidental costs to fulfilling an order)
>
> -Adam
>
>

I just ordered two boards for $13. Not bad IMO.
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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-18T20:00:07Z

M. Adam Davis wrote:
> This would be exactly the same as your current offer, unless you
> profit from the S&H (ie, you're selling S&H as a product, it's not
> merely to cover the incidental costs to fulfilling an order)
>
> -Adam
>
>

I just ordered two boards for $13. Not bad IMO.
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Re: 18F4321 wake from sleep on RX - strange issue with clocks maybe?

2008-08-18T14:22:14Z

I'll have to check to see if I tried running it true programmed mode vs debug "run". I know the timers all stop running while asleep, and thats ok, they will come back out and start running once it wakes up. Its a matter of it waking and actually running. I've done sleep before in the 16F913 without any problems, but I woke it on a change of PORTB, but an interupt is an interupt, once they are set up correctly.

--- On Sun, 8/17/08, Martin K <martin@...> wrote:

> From: Martin K <martin@...>
> Subject: Re: [PIC] 18F4321 wake from sleep on RX - strange issue with clocks maybe?
> To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <piclist@...>
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 7:23 AM
> What clock[s] are you using? If using timer1 OSC you might
> encounter
> problems when debugging. I've come across some small
> issues with using
> the ICD2 and sleep/wake-up-ISR on T1OSC overflow. I
> didn't have time to
> figure out exactly if it was my problem or the ICD2's
> problem, but
> switching to a normal programmer versus a debugger fixed
> the problem for
> me.
> I've come to determine that the debugger isn't all
> that useful for me
> once my project got to the stage where I could put feedback
> on the LCD
> and "debug" it while it's running the way it
> will be in the end product.
> If I need to debug some math operations I tend to do it in
> the MPSIM.
> -
> Martin
>
> alan smith wrote:
> > Processor is the 18F4321
> >
> > I've added a sleep instruction and wake on getting
> something hitting the RCREG (added the autowake on baudcon),
> and it does sleep, and it does wake up when I send it a
> character. Whats strange is that when I drop into a timing
> loop, it appears to hang UNLESS I break during debug, then
> start it again, it runs fine..does the delay, goes back to
> sleep.
> >
> > Note: without the sleep and wake issue, the loop runs
> fine (its in the interupt section, just a seconds based
> counter...count for 5 seconds then go back to sleep).
> >
> > Its not that the code isnt cycling after the wake,
> because I do a number of things before dropping into that
> loop, and I turn on an LED to show that I've entered it.
> >
> > So in debug, single stepping, etc it appears to work
> fine, but in realtime, something is amiss....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: 18F4321 wake from sleep on RX - strange issue with clocks maybe?

2008-08-17T07:23:06Z

What clock[s] are you using? If using timer1 OSC you might encounter
problems when debugging. I've come across some small issues with using
the ICD2 and sleep/wake-up-ISR on T1OSC overflow. I didn't have time to
figure out exactly if it was my problem or the ICD2's problem, but
switching to a normal programmer versus a debugger fixed the problem for
me.
I've come to determine that the debugger isn't all that useful for me
once my project got to the stage where I could put feedback on the LCD
and "debug" it while it's running the way it will be in the end product.
If I need to debug some math operations I tend to do it in the MPSIM.
-
Martin

alan smith wrote:

> Processor is the 18F4321
>
> I've added a sleep instruction and wake on getting something hitting the RCREG (added the autowake on baudcon), and it does sleep, and it does wake up when I send it a character. Whats strange is that when I drop into a timing loop, it appears to hang UNLESS I break during debug, then start it again, it runs fine..does the delay, goes back to sleep.
>
> Note: without the sleep and wake issue, the loop runs fine (its in the interupt section, just a seconds based counter...count for 5 seconds then go back to sleep).
>
> Its not that the code isnt cycling after the wake, because I do a number of things before dropping into that loop, and I turn on an LED to show that I've entered it.
>
> So in debug, single stepping, etc it appears to work fine, but in realtime, something is amiss....
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-16T12:29:33Z

Greeting Wouter,
You bring up a very good thought, we are doing just a bit more than that ('one free per order'): no matter customer order other parts or not, they will get the CB0703 promotion deal before the US labor day. Actually, there are people actually just want the PCB, I don't know why.

(I knew some of the customer actually have most of the CB0703 SMD components in stock in-house, others might just want to take a look. I was told there are customers actually bought 5 to 6 sets of the CB0703 component kit every time, put them together and market them at the local market. This seems a very brilliant idea to me.)

Another possibility I can imagined is: maybe the customer use it for other purpose rather than the PICKit2.
It is a matter of fact, you can do many things with the PIC18F2550 USB function, and the CB0703 have many hardware design can be re-used for different applications.

The initial idea of this promotion is for the beginners who never tried SMD technology before, and they count about half of the CB0703 customers. The promotion makes it possible for beginners getting the PCB at low price first when they are not so sure about how to handling the SMD technology.

Once those beginners get used to the SMD technology (the tricks are: you need good flux and fine solder/solder-iron tips for manual assembly), we were told they love the SMD technology.
Here is a pdf version of the assembly guide which shows how you can accomplish the mission step by step:
http://www.auelectronics.com/pdfs/Assemble_PICkit2.pdf

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

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From: Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@...>
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Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:26:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AD]CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

> Thanks for the advise, and you are more than welcome to contribute to the brain-storm.

As for the price: you are not actually selling the PCBs for $.01 each,
(for good reason, otherwise I would buy 1000 and start reselling them
for more). The more honest way to advertise your offer would be 'one
free per order'.

As for Shipping/Handling fees (for internet shops): most customers
understand that a shop needs to a margin on products, but don't realize
that an order itself has certain associated costs, like bank fees,
administration, handling. Those cost can of course be included in the
per-product margins, but that would favor small orders at the expense of
large orders. So charging a fixed fee is a simple an reasonably accurate
way to be fair to all customers.

Contrary to what most customers expect driving to the shop and picking
up the goods does not mean that the S/H fee should be reduced to
nothing: only the shipping costs are eliminated, and the handling will
often take *more* time than for a standard (postal delivery) order. So
to be fair the S/H fee for pick-it-up orders should probably be higher....

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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-16T11:26:46Z

> Thanks for the advise, and you are more than welcome to contribute to the brain-storm.

As for the price: you are not actually selling the PCBs for $.01 each,
(for good reason, otherwise I would buy 1000 and start reselling them
for more). The more honest way to advertise your offer would be 'one
free per order'.

As for Shipping/Handling fees (for internet shops): most customers
understand that a shop needs to a margin on products, but don't realize
that an order itself has certain associated costs, like bank fees,
administration, handling. Those cost can of course be included in the
per-product margins, but that would favor small orders at the expense of
large orders. So charging a fixed fee is a simple an reasonably accurate
way to be fair to all customers.

Contrary to what most customers expect driving to the shop and picking
up the goods does not mean that the S/H fee should be reduced to
nothing: only the shipping costs are eliminated, and the handling will
often take *more* time than for a standard (postal delivery) order. So
to be fair the S/H fee for pick-it-up orders should probably be higher....

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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-15T11:17:37Z

Greeting, Jan-Erik,
The US$8 s/h is for USA, international s/h is about US$10.
Here is a tutorial on how to find more shipping and handling info:
http://www.auelectronics.com/Q7.htm

Regards,
Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@...>
To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <piclist@...>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:33:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AD]CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

I take it for granted that the $8 s/h is
valid for world-wide shipping, right ?

Jan-Erik.

Funny NYPD wrote:

> Greeting Adam,
> Westport MA is a nice place to live.
> Pick up service is not available at this moment, however we can get this resolved with either one of the following approaches:
> 1. If you can mail a self-stamped envelope to us, then you don't have to pay the shipping. Regarding to the handling cost, if you are ok without all the necessary documents (since you can print your own copy from our web site anyway) you can lower some of the handling cost. This will save you about $4 on the one piece of CB0703 promotion deal.
>
> We have to pay the people who handling all the orders anyway, so there is always something there must be covered.
>
> 2. Since tomorrow is MA's tax free day, I knew some of our guy will have a big shopping in Dartmouth mall. If you don't mind we can set up and let one of our guy meet you and deliver your order at the "radio shack shop" in Dartmouth mall or Wal-mart at Dartmouth. This is a one-time only service. This solution will save you the same as the first one.
>
> Feel free to contact me off list (by phone or email) and let me know which one will work for you.
> It would be good to contact us before 4:00pm, so we can have it set up and prepared.
>
> P.s. you seems to have many Mac on your apple tree. That's an interesting thought.
>
> Funny N.
> Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Adam Field <adam@...>
> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <piclist@...>
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [AD]CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)
>
> Since I'm local (Westport), can I pick it up?
>
>>> The great deal on CB0703 (bare PCB for PICkit2 DIY), which is 1cent/PCB, will be end after Labor day (Sept-01-2008).
>>>
>>> Funny N.
>>> Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-15T11:10:19Z

Greeting, Adam,
Thanks for the advise, and you are more than welcome to contribute to the brain-storm.
It is the open-mind and listening to customer feedback making us unique on technology and service.

As of your recommendation on prepaid self-addressed shipping method, we are actually doing this since the beginning of BB0703 (sept-2007), please see the following quote from our web:
http://www.auelectronics.com/System-PICkit2.htm
"Note: If you prefer using your own shipping account/method or if you arrange a pre-paid self-addressed envelope (Fedex, UPS, USPS, DHL, etc), there is no surcharge for shipping. Please contact us for order information."

Actually many PIClisters here contributed a lot on how to get the best deal from CB0703/BB0703. People's advise generate the "ICKCB0703" and "Combo0703-PP"; both are among the top 3 picks. And those are the things we will never figured it out without many inputs from you guys.

Our Shipping and handling cost has been set up and unchanged for almost 1 year. While the post office increased shipping rate twice (for more than 40% average) in the past 5 month, it is actually very hard to keep our current shipping and handling fee unchanged. It will be heavily affected if the post office increase the post fee for another 30%.

You calculation of 800% just simply ignored the labor fee here in the USA and assume there will be no technical support thereafter. And since there is no free lunch in USA, you got to pay every single people who works for you at least the minimal salary government regulated. Most of the industry people might already know that the technical support probably cost 10 times more than the bill of material itself. We cannot ignore the customer service no matter how.

Au Group Electronics cares about our customer, for us, the capability of technical support is the key to earn business. That's why I see many people take our product and service repeatedly even though our price isn't the lowest, because they know, when they got a issue, there will be support from Au Group Electronics.

Customer choose our product not just because of the good design, or just because the good quality, or just because ease of use, but also the best technical support. Some of their feedback have been posted here (including people from Australia, south Africa, etc):
http://www.auelectronics.com/CustomerComments.htm

Basically, we respect customers because they all have their own right to decide which product they like the best and go with the best deal they find. No doubt their decision are always right for their situation.

As I told our local Adam (Field) in another PIClist email, you can use prepaid self-stamp envelop and authorize us shipping without all the necessary support documents, it will save the shipping cost and part of the handling cost, on the one piece of CB0703 deal case, you will save about US$4.

Regards,

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

----- Original Message ----
From: M. Adam Davis <stienman@...>
To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <piclist@...>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:35:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AD]CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

Everyime I see AuElectronics I get the impression that you're in
Australia! Even if you were in Australia, you can send the PCB to the
US via envelope with first class mail for [AUS] $2 (assuming it's
under 50g, 1.7oz, which it should be). Customs documentation can take
some time if you've failed to streamline the handling process, and I
could see why you might charge large S&H rates for international
orders.

But given that you're in the US, shipping to the US, you don't even
have customs documentation to worry about, and a first class envelope
with a PCB inside costs a mere $0.42 [USD]. If the envelope was an
expensive envelope with your return address pre-printed then maybe the
shipping and packaging would cost $1.

This leaves $7 for handling.

You are doubtless aware that a lot of people are unhappy with EBay
sellers and other sellers who count S&H as a profit source, and for
that reason you might want to take action now and charge a flat
handling fee, and estimate the actual postage rather than simplifying
it as a flat rate for everyone. Most people would suspect a business
of this practice when S&H is 800% greater than the cost of the product
they're buying, even on sale. Most places now simply charge postage,
and build the handling fee into the product cost - and customers
appear to appreciate that.

Far be it from me to tell you how to run your business, of course - I
would not be surprised if your S&H costs were actually $8 for a small
PCB - I've known many businesses with expensive and/or inefficient
shipping departments. As you grow you may want to look into
optimizing that - it's obvious that Mike went so far as to place the
product in his cart before canceling the order, and therefore you've
already lost one customer due to what he felt were extraordinary S&H
costs. You're lucky he decided to bring it up with you - most
customers will simply leave without telling you why they didn't buy
your product.

Perhaps you could offer this PCB for free (given that $0.01 is close
to free) if customers send a SASE - then handling would be next to
nothing - you receive the SASE, place the PCB inside, seal it and send
it. It would take at most 1 minute per order, and you wouldn't have
to worry about verifying and transfering funds, writing addresses,
paying postage, etc. You could also still charge a penny, and they
could send it in their order envelope.

This would be exactly the same as your current offer, unless you
profit from the S&H (ie, you're selling S&H as a product, it's not
merely to cover the incidental costs to fulfilling an order)

-Adam

On 8/15/08, Funny NYPD <funnynypd@...> wrote:

> Greeting Mike,
> Feel sad if you feel that way. I should have marked it as "shipping and handling not included" (which seems apparently to most of the people) to make it more clear. And a US $8 shipping and handling fee is not so expensive if you count today's high cost of material (gas, paper, etc, everything seems doubled its price in the past six months) and labor fee in the US.
>
> And since you have to pay shipping and handling anyway, the 1 cent /PCB is definitely a good deal, and I personally feel sorry it will be ending soon.
>
> Plus, what you are going to receive is more than just the PCB itself, it also includes a schematic, a step by step assembly guide and a BOM form. It is actually still a good deal if you count all these service even with the shipping and handling cost.
>
> Funny N.
> Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mike snyder <msnyder19@...>
> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <piclist@...>
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:08:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [AD]CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)
>
> Very misleading when you charge $ 8.00 for shipping a board that
> should cost approx $ 1.00 so why don't you just say that the board
> costs $ 8.00?
>
> On 8/15/08, Funny NYPD <funnynypd@...> wrote:
> > The great deal on CB0703 (bare PCB for PICkit2 DIY), which is 1cent/PCB, will be end after Labor day (Sept-01-2008).
> >
> > Funny N.
> > Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com
> >
> >
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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-15T10:33:51Z

I take it for granted that the $8 s/h is
valid for world-wide shipping, right ?

Jan-Erik.

Funny NYPD wrote:

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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-15T09:37:44Z

Greeting Adam,
Westport MA is a nice place to live.
Pick up service is not available at this moment, however we can get this resolved with either one of the following approaches:
1. If you can mail a self-stamped envelope to us, then you don't have to pay the shipping. Regarding to the handling cost, if you are ok without all the necessary documents (since you can print your own copy from our web site anyway) you can lower some of the handling cost. This will save you about $4 on the one piece of CB0703 promotion deal.

We have to pay the people who handling all the orders anyway, so there is always something there must be covered.

2. Since tomorrow is MA's tax free day, I knew some of our guy will have a big shopping in Dartmouth mall. If you don't mind we can set up and let one of our guy meet you and deliver your order at the "radio shack shop" in Dartmouth mall or Wal-mart at Dartmouth. This is a one-time only service. This solution will save you the same as the first one.

Feel free to contact me off list (by phone or email) and let me know which one will work for you.
It would be good to contact us before 4:00pm, so we can have it set up and prepared.

P.s. you seems to have many Mac on your apple tree. That's an interesting thought.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Adam Field <adam@...>
To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <piclist@...>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AD]CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

Since I'm local (Westport), can I pick it up?

>> The great deal on CB0703 (bare PCB for PICkit2 DIY), which is 1cent/PCB, will be end after Labor day (Sept-01-2008).
>>
>> Funny N.
>> Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com
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18F4321 wake from sleep on RX - strange issue with clocks maybe?

2008-08-15T08:36:22Z

Processor is the 18F4321

I've added a sleep instruction and wake on getting something hitting the RCREG (added the autowake on baudcon), and it does sleep, and it does wake up when I send it a character. Whats strange is that when I drop into a timing loop, it appears to hang UNLESS I break during debug, then start it again, it runs fine..does the delay, goes back to sleep.

Note: without the sleep and wake issue, the loop runs fine (its in the interupt section, just a seconds based counter...count for 5 seconds then go back to sleep).

Its not that the code isnt cycling after the wake, because I do a number of things before dropping into that loop, and I turn on an LED to show that I've entered it.

So in debug, single stepping, etc it appears to work fine, but in realtime, something is amiss....

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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-15T08:35:04Z

Everyime I see AuElectronics I get the impression that you're in
Australia! Even if you were in Australia, you can send the PCB to the
US via envelope with first class mail for [AUS] $2 (assuming it's
under 50g, 1.7oz, which it should be). Customs documentation can take
some time if you've failed to streamline the handling process, and I
could see why you might charge large S&H rates for international
orders.

But given that you're in the US, shipping to the US, you don't even
have customs documentation to worry about, and a first class envelope
with a PCB inside costs a mere $0.42 [USD]. If the envelope was an
expensive envelope with your return address pre-printed then maybe the
shipping and packaging would cost $1.

This leaves $7 for handling.

You are doubtless aware that a lot of people are unhappy with EBay
sellers and other sellers who count S&H as a profit source, and for
that reason you might want to take action now and charge a flat
handling fee, and estimate the actual postage rather than simplifying
it as a flat rate for everyone. Most people would suspect a business
of this practice when S&H is 800% greater than the cost of the product
they're buying, even on sale. Most places now simply charge postage,
and build the handling fee into the product cost - and customers
appear to appreciate that.

Far be it from me to tell you how to run your business, of course - I
would not be surprised if your S&H costs were actually $8 for a small
PCB - I've known many businesses with expensive and/or inefficient
shipping departments. As you grow you may want to look into
optimizing that - it's obvious that Mike went so far as to place the
product in his cart before canceling the order, and therefore you've
already lost one customer due to what he felt were extraordinary S&H
costs. You're lucky he decided to bring it up with you - most
customers will simply leave without telling you why they didn't buy
your product.

Perhaps you could offer this PCB for free (given that $0.01 is close
to free) if customers send a SASE - then handling would be next to
nothing - you receive the SASE, place the PCB inside, seal it and send
it. It would take at most 1 minute per order, and you wouldn't have
to worry about verifying and transfering funds, writing addresses,
paying postage, etc. You could also still charge a penny, and they
could send it in their order envelope.

This would be exactly the same as your current offer, unless you
profit from the S&H (ie, you're selling S&H as a product, it's not
merely to cover the incidental costs to fulfilling an order)

-Adam

On 8/15/08, Funny NYPD <funnynypd@...> wrote:

Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-15T08:10:41Z

Since I'm local (Westport), can I pick it up?

>> The great deal on CB0703 (bare PCB for PICkit2 DIY), which is 1cent/PCB, will be end after Labor day (Sept-01-2008).
>>
>> Funny N.
>> Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com
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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-15T07:32:46Z

Greeting Mike,
Feel sad if you feel that way. I should have marked it as "shipping and handling not included" (which seems apparently to most of the people) to make it more clear. And a US $8 shipping and handling fee is not so expensive if you count today's high cost of material (gas, paper, etc, everything seems doubled its price in the past six months) and labor fee in the US.

And since you have to pay shipping and handling anyway, the 1 cent /PCB is definitely a good deal, and I personally feel sorry it will be ending soon.

Plus, what you are going to receive is more than just the PCB itself, it also includes a schematic, a step by step assembly guide and a BOM form. It is actually still a good deal if you count all these service even with the shipping and handling cost.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Mike snyder <msnyder19@...>
To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <piclist@...>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:08:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AD]CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

Very misleading when you charge $ 8.00 for shipping a board that
should cost approx $ 1.00 so why don't you just say that the board
costs $ 8.00?

On 8/15/08, Funny NYPD <funnynypd@...> wrote:

> The great deal on CB0703 (bare PCB for PICkit2 DIY), which is 1cent/PCB, will be end after Labor day (Sept-01-2008).
>
> Funny N.
> Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com
>
>
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Re: CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-15T06:08:06Z

Very misleading when you charge $ 8.00 for shipping a board that
should cost approx $ 1.00 so why don't you just say that the board
costs $ 8.00?

On 8/15/08, Funny NYPD <funnynypd@...> wrote:

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CB0703 1cent/PCB deal ends after Labor day (Sept-01-2008)

2008-08-15T05:31:36Z

The great deal on CB0703 (bare PCB for PICkit2 DIY), which is 1cent/PCB, will be end after Labor day (Sept-01-2008).

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

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