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OpenAir Format in XCSoar

by karaka29211 :: Rate this Message:

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What chance is there of enabling the ability of XCSoar to recognise the "Radio" (VHF Frequency) and "CTA" (Control Area) statements in the now outdated 1999 version 1.0 of the OpenAir airspace format.
As it stands, there is no difference between a "CTR" Control Zone (SFC-?) and a Control Area (CTA)
with upper (AH) and lower levels (AL) above the ground level (SFC).
Alternatively, can you specify which later version of the OpenAir airspace format is recognised by XCSoar?

OpenAir Airspace format Version 1.0
December 10, 1998
Updated October 15, 1999

AIRSPACE related record types:
==============================

AC class ; class = Airspace Class, see below:
R restricted
Q danger
P prohibited
A Class A
B Class B
C Class C
D Class D
GP glider prohibited
CTR CTR
W Wave Window

AN string ; string = Airspace Name
AH string ; string = Airspace Ceiling
AL string ; string = Airspace Floor
AT coordinate ; coordinate = Coordinate of where to place a name label on the map (optional) ; NOTE: there can be multiple AT records for a single airspace segment

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Re: OpenAir Format in XCSoar

by Robin Birch :: Rate this Message:

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Must admit, I wasn't aware of a newer standard. Is there one, if so where can I find it?

Robin

thorner@... wrote:

> What chance is there of enabling the ability of XCSoar to recognise the "Radio" (VHF Frequency) and "CTA" (Control Area) statements in the now outdated 1999 version 1.0 of the OpenAir airspace format.
> As it stands, there is no difference between a "CTR" Control Zone (SFC-?) and a Control Area (CTA)
> with upper (AH) and lower levels (AL) above the ground level (SFC).
> Alternatively, can you specify which later version of the OpenAir airspace format is recognised by XCSoar?
>
> OpenAir Airspace format Version 1.0
> December 10, 1998
> Updated October 15, 1999
>
>
>
> AIRSPACE related record types:
> ==============================
>
> AC class ; class = Airspace Class, see below:
> R restricted
> Q danger
> P prohibited
> A Class A
> B Class B
> C Class C
> D Class D
> GP glider prohibited
> CTR CTR
> W Wave Window
>
>
> AN string ; string = Airspace Name
> AH string ; string = Airspace Ceiling
> AL string ; string = Airspace Floor
> AT coordinate ; coordinate = Coordinate of where to place a name label on the map (optional) ; NOTE: there can be multiple AT records for a single airspace segment
>
>
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Re: OpenAir Format in XCSoar

by kabmorgan :: Rate this Message:

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Here's the Winpilot User Guide
http://www.winpilot.com/UsersGuide/UserAirspace.asp

I've just tried inserting an AT line, but the label doesn't show up on the map in XCSoar. Is this is what is being asked for?

Keith

Robin Birch wrote:

Must admit, I wasn't aware of a newer standard. Is there one, if so where can I find it?

Robin

thorner@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> What chance is there of enabling the ability of XCSoar to recognise the "Radio" (VHF Frequency) and "CTA" (Control Area) statements in the now outdated 1999 version 1.0 of the OpenAir airspace format.
> As it stands, there is no difference between a "CTR" Control Zone (SFC-?) and a Control Area (CTA)
> with upper (AH) and lower levels (AL) above the ground level (SFC).
> Alternatively, can you specify which later version of the OpenAir airspace format is recognised by XCSoar?
>
> OpenAir Airspace format Version 1.0
> December 10, 1998
> Updated October 15, 1999
>
>
>
> AIRSPACE related record types:
> ==============================
>
> AC class ; class = Airspace Class, see below:
> R restricted
> Q danger
> P prohibited
> A Class A
> B Class B
> C Class C
> D Class D
> GP glider prohibited
> CTR CTR
> W Wave Window
>
>
> AN string ; string = Airspace Name
> AH string ; string = Airspace Ceiling
> AL string ; string = Airspace Floor
> AT coordinate ; coordinate = Coordinate of where to place a name label on the map (optional) ; NOTE: there can be multiple AT records for a single airspace segment
>
>
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Re: OpenAir Format in XCSoar

by karaka29211 :: Rate this Message:

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Ideally an updated Openair airspace standard but failing that, an ability in XCSoar recognise the difference between a CTR (Control Zone) and a CTA (Control Area) would be desirable.

Here's the Winpilot User Guide
http://www.winpilot.com/UsersGuide/UserAirspace.asp

I've just tried inserting an AT line, but the label doesn't show up on the map in XCSoar. Is this is what is being asked for?

Keith

Robin Birch wrote:

Must admit, I wasn't aware of a newer standard. Is there one, if so where can I find it?

Robin

thorner@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> What chance is there of enabling the ability of XCSoar to recognise the "Radio" (VHF Frequency) and "CTA" (Control Area) statements in the now outdated 1999 version 1.0 of the OpenAir airspace format.
> As it stands, there is no difference between a "CTR" Control Zone (SFC-?) and a Control Area (CTA)
> with upper (AH) and lower levels (AL) above the ground level (SFC).
> Alternatively, can you specify which later version of the OpenAir airspace format is recognised by XCSoar?
>
> OpenAir Airspace format Version 1.0
> December 10, 1998
> Updated October 15, 1999
>
>
>
> AIRSPACE related record types:
> ==============================
>
> AC class ; class = Airspace Class, see below:
> R restricted
> Q danger
> P prohibited
> A Class A
> B Class B
> C Class C
> D Class D
> GP glider prohibited
> CTR CTR
> W Wave Window
>
>
> AN string ; string = Airspace Name
> AH string ; string = Airspace Ceiling
> AL string ; string = Airspace Floor
> AT coordinate ; coordinate = Coordinate of where to place a name label on the map (optional) ; NOTE: there can be multiple AT records for a single airspace segment
>
>
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Re: OpenAir Format in XCSoar

by Robin Birch :: Rate this Message:

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It should be feasible to add a number of things to xcsoar such as CTA / CTR / RADIO etc etc etc. However I have a worry around the modifying of a standard without agreement with the other users of that standard.

Robin

thorner@... wrote:

>
> Ideally an updated Openair airspace standard but failing that, an ability in
> XCSoar recognise the difference between a CTR (Control Zone) and a CTA
> (Control Area) would be desirable.
>
> kabmorgan wrote:
> >
> > Here's the Winpilot User Guide
> > http://www.winpilot.com/UsersGuide/UserAirspace.asp
> >
> > I've just tried inserting an AT line, but the label doesn't show up on the
> > map in XCSoar. Is this is what is being asked for?
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > Robin Birch wrote:
> >>
> >> Must admit, I wasn't aware of a newer standard. Is there one, if so
> >> where can I find it?
> >>
> >> Robin
> >>
> >> thorner@... wrote:
> >>> What chance is there of enabling the ability of XCSoar to recognise the
> >>> "Radio" (VHF Frequency) and "CTA" (Control Area) statements in the now
> >>> outdated 1999 version 1.0 of the OpenAir airspace format.
> >>> As it stands, there is no difference between a "CTR" Control Zone
> >>> (SFC-?) and a Control Area (CTA)
> >>> with upper (AH) and lower levels (AL) above the ground level (SFC).
> >>> Alternatively, can you specify which later version of the OpenAir
> >>> airspace format is recognised by XCSoar?
> >>>
> >>> OpenAir Airspace format Version 1.0
> >>> December 10, 1998
> >>> Updated October 15, 1999
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> AIRSPACE related record types:
> >>> ==============================
> >>>
> >>> AC class ; class = Airspace Class, see below:
> >>> R restricted
> >>> Q danger
> >>> P prohibited
> >>> A Class A
> >>> B Class B
> >>> C Class C
> >>> D Class D
> >>> GP glider prohibited
> >>> CTR CTR
> >>> W Wave Window
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> AN string ; string = Airspace Name
> >>> AH string ; string = Airspace Ceiling
> >>> AL string ; string = Airspace Floor
> >>> AT coordinate ; coordinate = Coordinate of where to place a name
> >>> label on the map (optional) ; NOTE: there can be multiple AT
> >>> records for a single airspace segment
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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Re: OpenAir Format in XCSoar

by karaka29211 :: Rate this Message:

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The AT line only denotes the position (Lat, Long) in the map where the TITLE line is to show in order to avoid overwriting adjacent blocks of airspace.

Re: OpenAir Format in XCSoar

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I am told that the chances of updating the OpenAir standard by Jerry Plaszowiecki, the original author at Winpilot are nil and I don't know why, so a new standard is the only option down that path.

It is now up to the individual software developers to go it alone until someone like FAI sets the new standard in XML which everyone can then adopt. It is clear that the present formats are inadequate and with the complexity of new airspace restrictions post 9/11 and just about every cross country glider has some sort of moving map display upon which they depend to keep them out of controlled airspace.

I know that for developers this is a relatively easy change, but it also takes some commitment to keep on updating the standard. I have come to XCSoar because of the Altair display which I consider has superior features, but it is only as good as the software installed.

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