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Looking for a C++ implementation

2007-01-27T08:02:48Z

Hi,

I see (in the repository) there isn't any C++ implementation of an OGDL
parser. I'd like to have one :) I like the Java approaches between the
parser and file reader objects.

What are the people here using OGDL for the most? Really like RPC, or
for storing data?

(Maybe I should get into ogdl-users or something like that :)

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Re: J2me small update

2007-01-10T02:54:57Z

Lluís Batlle wrote:

> Well, they already are in the svn repository, in the 'java' directory,
> but not in the 'j2me'.

Ok, I thought you made some modifications. SVN updated now.

> (Així que l'OGDL ha nascut de les terres de Sagunt, eh? Impressionant :)

:-)

Saludos.
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Re: J2me small update

2007-01-10T02:08:54Z

Well, they already are in the svn repository, in the 'java' directory,
but not in the 'j2me'.
You better do a svn copy ( I think the operation exists ).
iirc, the files are:
Characters.java
OgdlParser.java
SyntaxException.java

They should be placed in the src/ogdl directory of the j2me package.

(Així que l'OGDL ha nascut de les terres de Sagunt, eh? Impressionant :)

Atentament,
Lluís.

2007/1/10, Rolf Veen <rolf.veen@...>:

> Lluís Batlle wrote:
>
> > I started using OGDL in a J2ME application, and I found that there is
> > only a OgdlBinary parser there. I took the code for OgdlParser and
> > Characters from the "java" version, and got the text parser working in
> > CLDP.
> >
> > Maybe someone wants to check those changes into svn...
>
> Yes, of course. Just send the files to the list or to myself, and
> I'll upload them.
>
> Saludos.
> Rolf.
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Re: J2me small update

2007-01-10T02:02:36Z

Lluís Batlle wrote:

> I started using OGDL in a J2ME application, and I found that there is
> only a OgdlBinary parser there. I took the code for OgdlParser and
> Characters from the "java" version, and got the text parser working in
> CLDP.
>
> Maybe someone wants to check those changes into svn...

Yes, of course. Just send the files to the list or to myself, and
I'll upload them.

Saludos.
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J2me small update

2007-01-10T01:18:54Z

Hi,

I'm just new in OGDL, but I find it's really great.

I started using OGDL in a J2ME application, and I found that there is
only a OgdlBinary parser there. I took the code for OgdlParser and
Characters from the "java" version, and got the text parser working in
CLDP.

Maybe someone wants to check those changes into svn...

(I've not really *strongly* tried the text parser - I only have a
simple OGDL text file in my JAR, and I can load the graph without any
problems)

Regards,
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Subversion repository active

2006-08-14T10:01:54Z

Hi, all. It's a long time, but I'm still here :-).

I've just set up the subversion repository for the
project, meaning that CVS is from now on deprecated.

New additions to the code are those related to the
binary version of OGDL and an OGDL/RF protocol
implementation on top of TCP. There are RFClient
and RFServer implementations for each language,
making possible to brigde language barriers with
very low overhead (compared to SOAP, for example).

There is also a Java Microedition version that
is able to load into a Java device and remotely
connect it to an OGDL/RF server to interchange
(binary) OGDL objects.

The java/ and j2me/ are Eclipse projects (the
second one needs EclipseME).

Cheers.
Rolf.

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available in java-digde/.

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Re: New branch is ready

2006-01-13T00:12:39Z

didge wrote:

> After 10 years of Java development, I haven't yet seen a practical benefit
> to starting the package hierarchy off with a TLD. Oracle doesn't do it and
> even Sun does not follow the practice consistently. I also wanted to make
> the .NET and Java versions as consistent as possible and .NET namespaces do
> not use TLDs as a practice.

Good to hear. I'll do the same.

>>I think that meta information (#?) can be safely scrapped from spec.
>
>
> I think that there is some benefit to some sort of parser instruction that
> is not included as part of the data for version identification, if nothing
> else. Let's pick it up in another thread.

Ok. Lets keep #? and discuss it further.

--
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Re: Binary OGDL spec

2006-01-13T00:05:27Z

Patrick Doane wrote:
> Two comments on this:
>
> - It might be nice to support "random access" of the file. This could
> be implemented by including more size information. For example, each
> node could contain an offset to the the next sibling and the next child.

The binary version is intended as a file format as well as a message
protocol, and this would add complexity at the emitter side and
also add quite an amount of extra bytes. I'm thinking for example in
using it to exchange information between a small device (a measuring
instrument, an inductrial device, etc) and a host, through USB, CAN or
whatever.

> - What is the reason for distinguishing between text-node and
> binary-node? Is it to save space by not including length data?

We need to identify text nodes without extra (external) type or
schema information because they are used to name other nodes.
We would not be able to do much with only untypified binary nodes.
Normal OGDL is pure text, its seems natural if binary OGDL is a
superset of that.

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RE: New branch is ready

2006-01-12T09:19:21Z

Rolf wrote:
>
> didge wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > I've just committed a number of new files to the project on a new branch
> > called DIDGE_001.
> > ...
>
> Really great work!

Thanks!

> > 1. Package names.
> > I've simplified the package names so as to place the most important
> classes
> > and interfaces at the top of the hierarchy. I believe this is more
> natural
> > to Java programmers and is more similar to the organization of similar
> open
> > source projects.
>
> You have used ogdl.* instead of org.ogdl.*. Is this more or less
> accepted now? Sun wanted the full domain name.

After 10 years of Java development, I haven't yet seen a practical benefit
to starting the package hierarchy off with a TLD. Oracle doesn't do it and
even Sun does not follow the practice consistently. I also wanted to make
the .NET and Java versions as consistent as possible and .NET namespaces do
not use TLDs as a practice.

> > 5. Not implemented
> > org.ogdl.reference.OgdlPullParser does not yet implement meta
> information or
> > references because I have a few questions about them.
>
> I think that meta information (#?) can be safely scrapped from spec.

I think that there is some benefit to some sort of parser instruction that
is not included as part of the data for version identification, if nothing
else. Let's pick it up in another thread.

> The level 2 productions are indeed unimplemented in the current
> code, and we have no experience with them. They are analog to
> symbolic links.
>
> > 1. I hope that this spurs plenty of discussion.
>
> I think this is a step forward. What we can discuss is a way to merge
> your code into the main branch (while respecting your branch).
>
> --
> Rolf.

It would be great to get some more input from other Java users. Also, I'll
have the C# version ready shortly and maybe we'll get some interest from
that camp, though it doesn't sound like there are many .NET users involved
with OGDL right now.

Regards,
didge

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Re: Binary OGDL spec

2006-01-12T08:15:18Z

Two comments on this:

- It might be nice to support "random access" of the file. This could
be implemented by including more size information. For example, each
node could contain an offset to the the next sibling and the next child.

- What is the reason for distinguishing between text-node and
binary-node? Is it to save space by not including length data?

Rolf Veen wrote:

> Hi, all.
>
> I've uploaded a new spec of a binary version of
> OGDL, and an associated 'Remote functions' spec.
>
> The binary format is intended to be exchanged
> between machines, as it allows to intermix normal
> text nodes with images, etc.
>
> The RF spec defines a way to expose functions as
> remote services, by making the call and the response
> be OGDL binary objects.
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: New branch is ready

2006-01-12T08:08:03Z

Rolf Veen wrote:
>> 5. Not implemented
>> org.ogdl.reference.OgdlPullParser does not yet implement meta
>> information or
>> references because I have a few questions about them.
>
>
> I think that meta information (#?) can be safely scrapped from spec.

We use the encoding and schema keys in our documents. Obviously it's
not a problem to remove from the spec - it'll be interpreted as a
comment by another parser.

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Re: New branch is ready

2006-01-12T00:30:39Z

didge wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I've just committed a number of new files to the project on a new branch
> called DIDGE_001. As stated previously, the purpose of this branch is to
> avoid confusion with the current public release, especially since the new
> files represent experimental thinking that the whole team may not want as a
> whole.

Really great work!

> 1. Package names.
> I've simplified the package names so as to place the most important classes
> and interfaces at the top of the hierarchy. I believe this is more natural
> to Java programmers and is more similar to the organization of similar open
> source projects.

You have used ogdl.* instead of org.ogdl.*. Is this more or less
accepted now? Sun wanted the full domain name.

> 5. Not implemented
> org.ogdl.reference.OgdlPullParser does not yet implement meta information or
> references because I have a few questions about them.

I think that meta information (#?) can be safely scrapped from spec.

The level 2 productions are indeed unimplemented in the current
code, and we have no experience with them. They are analog to
symbolic links.

> 1. I hope that this spurs plenty of discussion.

I think this is a step forward. What we can discuss is a way to merge
your code into the main branch (while respecting your branch).

--
Rolf.

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Re: Extraneous Commas and Parens

2006-01-11T23:44:01Z

didge wrote:

> For me, this is a robustness issue. Being tolerant is great, but not at the
> cost of robustness. But, being new here, I'm not sure what exactly what
> being tolerant means to you.
>
> Being tolerant, to me, means that users are free to use white space,
> indentation, grouping, quoting or blocking as it makes sense for their needs
> and tastes.

For me tolerance and robustness in this case are related. I prefer a
parser that doesn't exit in the mentioned cases. That doesn't exclude
a 'strict' option, as you propose (in your case the default).

> Disallowing extra punctuation in my humble opinion does not make OGDL any
> less tolerant according to my definition and makes OGDL more robust because
> OGDL without extra punctuation is easier to read and can't mask any
> potential errors.

One thing are extra commas, and another is () and ((a)). I think these
are part of the language as is (((1+2))) in a math expression. Anyway,
let the parsers evolve and w'll see what is more coherent.

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DIDGE_001 branch changes

2006-01-11T15:18:24Z

I just completed checking in new changes to the DIDGE_001 branch. I'm
currently working on a port to C# (almost complete) and I've been
simultaneously changing the Java version to make the two more consistent,
where possible.

Regards,

didge

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