Non-ascii in Japanese artist sort names?

[Philip Jägenstedt-3]

A question to someone who knows a little bit of Japanese. The sort
name of 岩代太郎[1] is currently "Iwashiro, Tarō", which is something I've
never seen before. I realize that Tarō and Taro may not sound the
same, but is it customary to include this in the sort name? In the
case of Chinese artists with pinyin sort names, tone markers are not
included.

Philip

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[Blue Dream]

Hepburn romanization puts macrons over the long vowels in Japanese names, yeah.  As for whether they should be there... well, I'd certainly be in favor of us picking a romanization system and sticking with it, officially including it in the style guidelines.  This goes for every non-Latin language, by the way, not just Japanese.  That being said, I'm not sure whether macros belong in the sort name or not.  I'd certainly prefer 'Tarō' or 'Taro' over the idiotic 'Tarou', though...

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A question to someone who knows a little bit of Japanese. The sort
name of ÑÒ´úÌ«ÀÉ[1] is currently "Iwashiro, Tar¨­", which is something I've
never seen before. I realize that Tar¨­ and Taro may not sound the
same, but is it customary to include this in the sort name? In the
case of Chinese artists with pinyin sort names, tone markers are not
included.

Philip

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[Lukáš Lalinský]

Dňa Ne, 2008-08-31 o 00:09 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt napísal:
> A question to someone who knows a little bit of Japanese. The sort
> name of 岩代太郎[1] is currently "Iwashiro, Tarō", which is something I've
> never seen before. I realize that Tarō and Taro may not sound the
> same, but is it customary to include this in the sort name? In the
> case of Chinese artists with pinyin sort names, tone markers are not
> included.

http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SortNameStyle

"All ArtistSortNames should be in Latin script. If the ArtistName is in
a non-Latin script, use the transliterated or translated name by which
the artist is commonly known."

It doesn't talk about ascii/non-ascii, but the latin script. ō is a
latin character, so it's fine.



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[Jim DeLaHunt]

Philip Jägenstedt-3 wrote:

The sort name of 岩代太郎[1] is currently "Iwashiro, Tarō", which is something I've never seen before. I realize that Tarō and Taro may not sound the same, but is it customary to include this in the sort name?...

Tarō is a customary latin-script transliteration of the Japanese name. Taro is also customary, and Taroh and Tarou are also sometimes seen.  The macron over the o conveys the same thing that the "oh" and "ou" convey, which is a long vowel.

SortNameStyle does not say anything about macrons in latinised Japanese words specifically.  It does say specifically that accents on latin script letters should be retained.  

Thus I think the contributor who gave us a sort name of "Iwashiro, Tarō" is absolutely correct.

[Philip Jägenstedt-3]

OK... some consistency would be nice, I haven't macrons or
circumflexes (some Japanese romanizations use them, right?) in other
sort names. However, I suspect that consistency would be impossible as
surely many artists chose their own English names using different
romanizations, sometimes leaving out macrons/circumflexes and
sometimes only transcribing part of the name. This all makes sort
names rather useless for such artists, so I guess that's why I
eliminate sort names with tagger script...

Philip

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Jim DeLaHunt <from.nabble@...> wrote:

>
>
> Philip Jägenstedt-3 wrote:
>>
>> The sort name of 岩代太郎[1] is currently "Iwashiro, Tarō", which is something
>> I've never seen before. I realize that Tarō and Taro may not sound the
>> same, but is it customary to include this in the sort name?...
>>
>
> Tarō is a customary latin-script transliteration of the Japanese name. Taro
> is also customary, and Taroh and Tarou are also sometimes seen.  The macron
> over the o conveys the same thing that the "oh" and "ou" convey, which is a
> long vowel.
>
> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SortNameStyle SortNameStyle  does not say
> anything about macrons in latinised Japanese words specifically.  It does
> say specifically that accents on latin script letters should be retained.
>
> Thus I think the contributor who gave us a sort name of "Iwashiro, Tarō" is
> absolutely correct.
>
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