Needed icons

[James Richard Tyrer]

We need icons for DNG and RAW formats.

I think that one RAW icon would be OK, but a user with more than one
brand of camera might find brand specific ones helpful.

I suggest the attached for DNG.

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[James Richard Tyrer]

James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> We need icons for DNG and RAW formats.
>
> I think that one RAW icon would be OK, but a user with more than one
> brand of camera might find brand specific ones helpful.
>
> I suggest the attached for DNG.
>
I see no negative comments so I will go ahead and make and commit the
DNG icons for Oxygen and make similar ones for KDEClasssic.

Still would like some comments on what we should have for other RAW formats.

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On Monday 13 October 2008 04:54:47 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> I see no negative comments so I will go ahead and make and commit the
> DNG icons for Oxygen and make similar ones for KDEClasssic.

Sorry, hadn't seen this mail until now.
Please get rid of the 'tm' emblem and keep the whole film inside the sheet, so
that it's more consistent with existing mimetypes.
Also, how does it work at small sizes?

those are my two cents, others might want to comment as well...

Bye,
-Riccardo
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On Monday 13 October 2008 11:59:36 you wrote:
> Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:
> > On Monday 13 October 2008 04:54:47 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> >> I see no negative comments so I will go ahead and make and commit the
> >> DNG icons for Oxygen and make similar ones for KDEClasssic.
> >
> > Sorry, hadn't seen this mail until now.
> > Please get rid of the 'tm' emblem
>
> Do we have Adobe's approval to do that?

we don't need it

> > and keep the whole film inside the sheet, so
> > that it's more consistent with existing mimetypes.
>
> Don't know that I like this as well.

Please use the standard sheet (that one has the shadow fsck'd up) and make the
logo smaller. Take inspiration from the other mimetypes.
The logo is also pretty plain, and partly off style.

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[David Miller-16]

> > Do we have Adobe's approval to do that?
>
> we don't need it

I think if we use a different font and make the film strip look different then we
wont need to include a TM symbol.

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[James Richard Tyrer]

David Miller wrote:
>>> Do we have Adobe's approval to do that?
>> we don't need it
>
> I think if we use a different font and make the film strip look different then we
> wont need to include a TM symbol.
>
Wouldn't that tend to defeat Adobe's purpose in having a standard logo
for DNG?

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[James Richard Tyrer]

Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:

> On Monday 13 October 2008 11:59:36 you wrote:
>> Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:
>>> On Monday 13 October 2008 04:54:47 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
>>>> I see no negative comments so I will go ahead and make and
>>>> commit the DNG icons for Oxygen and make similar ones for
>>>> KDEClasssic.
>>> Sorry, hadn't seen this mail until now. Please get rid of the
>>> 'tm' emblem
>> Do we have Adobe's approval to do that?
>
> we don't need it
>

Actually, we do.  If they include the 'TM' in their logo, we need to use it.

>>> and keep the whole film inside the sheet, so that it's more
>>> consistent with existing mimetypes.
>> Don't know that I like this as well.
>
> Please use the standard sheet (that one has the shadow fsck'd up)

Can't see the difference [see attached].

> and make the logo smaller. Take inspiration from the other mimetypes.

You mean like: "audio-x-wave" for example.

>  The logo is also pretty plain, and partly off style.

What am I missing here?  Should I complain to Adobe about their logo?

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[James Richard Tyrer]

Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:
> On Monday 13 October 2008 04:54:47 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
>> I see no negative comments so I will go ahead and make and commit the
>> DNG icons for Oxygen and make similar ones for KDEClasssic.
>
> Sorry, hadn't seen this mail until now.
> Please get rid of the 'tm' emblem

Do we have Adobe's approval to do that?

> and keep the whole film inside the sheet, so
> that it's more consistent with existing mimetypes.

Don't know that I like this as well.

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On Tuesday 14 October 2008 06:38:05 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> Actually, we do.  If they include the 'TM' in their logo, we need to use
> it.

Didn't know it was their logo, see my answer below.

> >>> and keep the whole film inside the sheet, so that it's more
> >>> consistent with existing mimetypes.
> >>
> >> Don't know that I like this as well.
> >
> > Please use the standard sheet (that one has the shadow fsck'd up)
>
> Can't see the difference [see attached].

This clearly hasn't, but the PNG you sent clearly had an offset of the shadow.

> > and make the logo smaller. Take inspiration from the other mimetypes.
>
> You mean like: "audio-x-wave" for example.

Why not? Actually, I'm wondering, do we care about representing the extension
in an image file? I'd say, let's go for consistency with other image mimetypes,
and just tweak one of the current images mimetypes adding on top of it a grid
of rgb pixels or something that makes understand that it's raw images. And use
that for all raw images, without painting the extension over it.

> >  The logo is also pretty plain, and partly off style.
>
> What am I missing here?  Should I complain to Adobe about their logo?

If that's adobe's logo, let's simply not use it, and do something better
instead. Then we can also get rid of the 'tm' easily.

Bye,
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[Kenneth Wimer-6]

On Tuesday 14 October 2008 06:38:55 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:
> > On Monday 13 October 2008 04:54:47 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> >> I see no negative comments so I will go ahead and make and commit the
> >> DNG icons for Oxygen and make similar ones for KDEClasssic.
> >
> > Sorry, hadn't seen this mail until now.
> > Please get rid of the 'tm' emblem
>
> Do we have Adobe's approval to do that?

Yes, it would need approval from Adobe to remove their TM sign. In my opinion
we should just use a different logo to represent DNG or no logo at all,
instead some visual metaphor for all RAW files.

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[James Richard Tyrer]

Kenneth Wimer wrote:

> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 06:38:55 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
>> Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:
>>> On Monday 13 October 2008 04:54:47 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
>>>> I see no negative comments so I will go ahead and make and commit the
>>>> DNG icons for Oxygen and make similar ones for KDEClasssic.
>>> Sorry, hadn't seen this mail until now.
>>> Please get rid of the 'tm' emblem
>> Do we have Adobe's approval to do that?
>
> Yes, it would need approval from Adobe to remove their TM sign. In my opinion
> we should just use a different logo to represent DNG or no logo at all,
> instead some visual metaphor for all RAW files.
>

Tends to defeat the purpose of having a standard logo for DNG.

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[James Richard Tyrer]

Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:

> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 06:38:05 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
>> Actually, we do.  If they include the 'TM' in their logo, we need to use
>> it.
>
> Didn't know it was their logo, see my answer below.
>
>>>>> and keep the whole film inside the sheet, so that it's more
>>>>> consistent with existing mimetypes.
>>>> Don't know that I like this as well.
>>> Please use the standard sheet (that one has the shadow fsck'd up)
>> Can't see the difference [see attached].
>
> This clearly hasn't, but the PNG you sent clearly had an offset of the shadow.
>

Well there are SVG rendering issues.

>>> and make the logo smaller. Take inspiration from the other mimetypes.
>> You mean like: "audio-x-wave" for example.
>
> Why not?

That icon has full width!  Which was the point.

> Actually, I'm wondering, do we care about representing the extension
> in an image file?

You still are missing the point.  The Adobe DNG logo is the logo.

> I'd say, let's go for consistency with other image mimetypes,
> and just tweak one of the current images mimetypes adding on top of it a grid
> of rgb pixels or something that makes understand that it's raw images. And use
> that for all raw images, without painting the extension over it.
>
>>>  The logo is also pretty plain, and partly off style.
>> What am I missing here?  Should I complain to Adobe about their logo?
>
> If that's adobe's logo, let's simply not use it, and do something better
> instead. Then we can also get rid of the 'tm' easily.
>

Ok, I'll forget about it.

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[Daniel Ramón Fernández Macia]

> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 06:38:55 James Richard Tyrer wrote:

>> Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:
>> > On Monday 13 October 2008 04:54:47 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
>> >> I see no negative comments so I will go ahead and make and commit the
>> >> DNG icons for Oxygen and make similar ones for KDEClasssic.
>> >
>> > Sorry, hadn't seen this mail until now.
>> > Please get rid of the 'tm' emblem
>>
>> Do we have Adobe's approval to do that?
>
> Yes, it would need approval from Adobe to remove their TM sign. In my
> opinion
> we should just use a different logo to represent DNG or no logo at all,
> instead some visual metaphor for all RAW files.
>
> --
> Ken

Hi, guys.

If something like this if usefull I'll be glad to help.

Sorry my English.

Daniel

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[David Miller-16]

On Tuesday 14 October 2008 15:29:59 Kenneth Wimer wrote:

> Yes, it would need approval from Adobe to remove their TM sign. In my
> opinion we should just use a different logo to represent DNG or no logo at
> all, instead some visual metaphor for all RAW files.
>
> --
> Ken

uninspired go #1 attached.

i dunno why but personally i always associate film reels with movies rather
than stills.

any ideas for an alternative metaphor?

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Daniel Ramón Fernández Macia wrote:
> If something like this if usefull I'll be glad to help.

Ah, well... that says "movie" to me. We're looking for "digital (still)
negative" :-).

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[David Miller-16]

On Wednesday 15 October 2008 17:05:22 David Miller wrote:
> any ideas for an alternative metaphor?
sorry, pot - kettle - black, but when presented like this:
<http://www.piratesofgtown.com/clip_art/film.gif>, it works for me.
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[David Miller-16]

On Wednesday 15 October 2008 08:13:18 Daniel Ramón Fernández Macia wrote:
> Hi, guys.
>
> If something like this if usefull I'll be glad to help.
>
> Sorry my English.
>
> Daniel

I don't think a movie reel is suitable in this case. Cheers though!

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[Kenneth Wimer-6]

On Wednesday 15 October 2008 18:05:22 David Miller wrote:

> On Tuesday 14 October 2008 15:29:59 Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> > Yes, it would need approval from Adobe to remove their TM sign. In my
> > opinion we should just use a different logo to represent DNG or no logo
> > at all, instead some visual metaphor for all RAW files.
> >
> > --
> > Ken
>
> uninspired go #1 attached.
>
> i dunno why but personally i always associate film reels with movies rather
> than stills.
>
> any ideas for an alternative metaphor?

I liked the idea of the film with the camera lense...shouldn't the format of
the mimetype page be horizontal instead of vertical (like the other image
formats)?

Ken

P.S. Attached is a very old svg I started once to get the idea of what I mean


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On Wednesday 15 October 2008 02:59:44 James Richard Tyrer wrote:

> Riccardo Iaconelli wrote:
> > On Tuesday 14 October 2008 06:38:05 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> >> Actually, we do.  If they include the 'TM' in their logo, we need to use
> >> it.
> >
> > Didn't know it was their logo, see my answer below.
> >
> >>>>> and keep the whole film inside the sheet, so that it's more
> >>>>> consistent with existing mimetypes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't know that I like this as well.
> >>>
> >>> Please use the standard sheet (that one has the shadow fsck'd up)
> >>
> >> Can't see the difference [see attached].
> >
> > This clearly hasn't, but the PNG you sent clearly had an offset of the
> > shadow.
>
> Well there are SVG rendering issues.

...
And in this one there are not. C'mon, stop thinking I'm stupid...

> >>> and make the logo smaller. Take inspiration from the other mimetypes.
> >>
> >> You mean like: "audio-x-wave" for example.
> >
> > Why not?
>
> That icon has full width!  Which was the point.

So what? The note doesn't. And so do the others.

> > Actually, I'm wondering, do we care about representing the extension
> > in an image file?
>
> You still are missing the point.  The Adobe DNG logo is the logo.

We're not using it anyways.

Bye,
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