My experience with the Avril Lavigne troll

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Parent Message unknown My experience with the Avril Lavigne troll

by Flameviper Velifang :: Rate this Message:

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Now I was reading the mailing list a while ago, and I thought of a memorable experience from when I was editing Wikipedia as [[User:Ziggy_Sawdust]].
 
On the Reference Desk, some of you may recall a character called the Avril Lavigne troll. He used about 10 IPs, an army of redlinked accounts, and asked a bunch of ridiculous questions, mostly pertaining to Avril Lavigne, but the unifying characteristic was that none of them had any place on the Reference Desk, let alone Wikipedia. He did do some vandalism to the Reference Desk header too, but that wasn't a primary part of his actions.
 
Now what I did is I set up a subpage on my userspace. He and I agreed that he could ask his redonkulous questions there, I (or whoever else wanted to) could answer them, and he would leave the Reference Desk alone.
 
He did.
 
Now this isn't going to be representative of all "trolls", of course, but for some of them, yes. What have we learned? That sometimes, if someone wants attention, we should make a small compromise and give them what they want instead of flat-out denying it, which would make them seek it harder.


     
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Re: My experience with the Avril Lavigne troll

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On 10/14/08, Flameviper Velifang <theflameysnake@...> wrote:
> On the Reference Desk, some of you may recall a character called the Avril
> Lavigne troll.

Hey... is this the same idiot who would install "Twinkle" and make a
lot of edits like this:
> (removing backlinks to [[July 4]] because "AVRIL LAVIGNE ROKZ MY SOCKZ!"; using TW)

In retrospect this is as good a reason as the reason the MOS guys are using now.

Aside from that, yes, the reference desk is a breeding ground for
trolls, maybe even by design. Village pump less so.

—C.W.

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Re: My experience with the Avril Lavigne troll

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> Aside from that, yes, the reference desk is a breeding ground for
> trolls, maybe even by design. Village pump less so.

It attracts them, but they are easy enough to deal with, so it's not
really a problem.

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:45:30 +0100
From: "Thomas Dalton" <thomas.dalton@...>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] My experience with the Avril Lavigne troll
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> Aside from that, yes, the reference desk is a breeding ground for
> trolls, maybe even by design. Village pump less so.

It attracts them, but they are easy enough to deal with, so it's not
really a problem. This is what I'm talking about, though. Why are we "dealing" with trolls? They want attention, we want an encyclopedia. Conflict of interest.Everything doesn't have to be "ZOMG EVIL PEOPLE BAD PUNISH", sometimes it's just better that some people don't edit.


     
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Re: My experience with the Avril Lavigne troll

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2008/10/15 Flameviper Velifang <theflameysnake@...>:

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> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:45:30 +0100
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>> Aside from that, yes, the reference desk is a breeding ground for
>> trolls, maybe even by design. Village pump less so.
>
> It attracts them, but they are easy enough to deal with, so it's not
> really a problem. This is what I'm talking about, though. Why are we "dealing" with trolls? They want attention, we want an encyclopedia. Conflict of interest.Everything doesn't have to be "ZOMG EVIL PEOPLE BAD PUNISH", sometimes it's just better that some people don't edit.

Trolls on the ref desks are usually dealt with by either removing the
question or ignoring it, it only goes any further if it's particularly
extreme. My preferred method of dealing with troll questions is just
to take them literally and answer them - it rather spoils their fun if
they just get treated like everyone else.

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