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Mouse wheel
by Bill Schwab
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Gary,
I hope this is not a repeat, or worse yet reflective of my not having installed a new enough release, but _almost_ as much as I think keyboard focus should be managed very carefully and independent of the mouse cursor location, I think the mouse wheel input should follow the mouse cursor, even so far as scrolling panes that are not active, and not even part of the active shell. First, I just noticed Ubuntu, its graphical terminal, and OpenOffice do this to good effect (as just one example); second, if I am typing, mouse movement is probably made to avoid visual distraction from the cursor, if I am turning the mouse wheel, it is almost certainly a deliberate action associated with the cursor location. Fair? Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab@... Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI@... http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
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RE: Mouse wheel
by Gary Chambers-4
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Load Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.284 from SqueakSource and enjoy!
Was tricky to figure out but done nicely, I think. If the VMs get arround to generating mouse wheel events natively (rrather than simulating with a keystroke) it is a small matter to support that when/if that happens. Will await feedback before updating the Universe. Regards, Gary. > -----Original Message----- > From: ui-bounces@... > [mailto:ui-bounces@...]On Behalf Of Bill Schwab > Sent: 22 January 2008 3:21 AM > To: ui@... > Subject: Re: [UI] Mouse wheel > > > Gary, > > It is not terribly high on my priority list, but the more I work with > Squeak, the more I notice that the way other apps handle the wheel makes > a LOT of sense. Given a choice, I would opt for solid keyboard focus > every time. > > Thanks! > > Bill > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab@... > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > >>> gazzaguru2@... 01/21/08 6:27 PM >>> > I've looked at that, would be nice! Unfortunately, in Squeak, the mouse > wheel is simulated as keyboard events. It would require some hacking to > pick these up and send to the mouse focus instead. If there is > sufficient interest I'll take a stab at it. > > Thanks. Gary. > > ----- Original message ----- > From: Bill Schwab <BSchwab@...> > To: <ui@...> > Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008, 20:45:13 GMT > Subject: [UI] Mouse wheel > Gary, > > I hope this is not a repeat, or worse yet reflective of my not having > installed a new enough release, but _almost_ as much as I think keyboard > focus should be managed very carefully and independent of the mouse > cursor location, I think the mouse wheel input should follow the mouse > cursor, even so far as scrolling panes that are not active, and not even > part of the active shell. First, I just noticed Ubuntu, its graphical > terminal, and OpenOffice do this to good effect (as just one example); > second, if I am typing, mouse movement is probably made to avoid visual > distraction from the cursor, if I am turning the mouse wheel, it is > almost certainly a deliberate action associated with the cursor > location. Fair? > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab@... > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > UI@... > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > UI@... > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > UI@... > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI@... http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
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RE: Mouse wheel
by Gary Chambers-4
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Odd, I get the expected behaviour (with mouseClickForKeyboardFocus enabled
and mouseOverForKeyboardFocus disabled). > -----Original Message----- > From: ui-bounces@... > [mailto:ui-bounces@...]On Behalf Of Bill Schwab > Sent: 03 February 2008 12:32 AM > To: ui@... > Subject: RE: [UI] Mouse wheel > > > Gary, > > I saw 285 and loaded that and fiddled around slightly. I made a point > of using the wheel to scroll panes in inactive windows interspersed with > typing in the active window, and that seems to work except when the > scrolling list is part of the active window. With the other traffic, I > suspect that a change to regain keyboard selection in the lists is being > enabled on mouse over (if only in/under the active windows) vs. after > transfer of focus. I see where you are going, but it essentially brings > back the "lists grab the focus" problem. > > IMHO, if a user wants to simply point at a list and have it grab the > focus for keyboard navigation, they should use a policy that changes > focus on mouse-over. As a click/tab to change focus type, I want the > focus to be independent of the mouse movement, and will click/tab to a > list that I want to navigate by keyboard. Hopefully it will suffice to > limit the navigation to the list with the focus. Reasonable? > > As always, thanks for working on this!!! > > Bill > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab@... > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > >>> gazzaguru2@... 01/28/08 11:42 AM >>> > Load Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.284 from SqueakSource and enjoy! > Was tricky to figure out but done nicely, I think. > If the VMs get arround to generating mouse wheel events natively > (rrather > than simulating with a keystroke) it is a small matter to support that > when/if that happens. > > Will await feedback before updating the Universe. > > Regards, Gary. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ui-bounces@... > > [mailto:ui-bounces@...]On Behalf Of Bill Schwab > > Sent: 22 January 2008 3:21 AM > > To: ui@... > > Subject: Re: [UI] Mouse wheel > > > > > > Gary, > > > > It is not terribly high on my priority list, but the more I work with > > Squeak, the more I notice that the way other apps handle the wheel > makes > > a LOT of sense. Given a choice, I would opt for solid keyboard focus > > every time. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > > University of Florida > > Department of Anesthesiology > > PO Box 100254 > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > > > Email: bschwab@... > > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > > >>> gazzaguru2@... 01/21/08 6:27 PM >>> > > I've looked at that, would be nice! Unfortunately, in Squeak, the > mouse > > wheel is simulated as keyboard events. It would require some hacking > to > > pick these up and send to the mouse focus instead. If there is > > sufficient interest I'll take a stab at it. > > > > Thanks. Gary. > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > From: Bill Schwab <BSchwab@...> > > To: <ui@...> > > Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008, 20:45:13 GMT > > Subject: [UI] Mouse wheel > > Gary, > > > > I hope this is not a repeat, or worse yet reflective of my not having > > installed a new enough release, but _almost_ as much as I think > keyboard > > focus should be managed very carefully and independent of the mouse > > cursor location, I think the mouse wheel input should follow the mouse > > cursor, even so far as scrolling panes that are not active, and not > even > > part of the active shell. First, I just noticed Ubuntu, its graphical > > terminal, and OpenOffice do this to good effect (as just one example); > > second, if I am typing, mouse movement is probably made to avoid > visual > > distraction from the cursor, if I am turning the mouse wheel, it is > > almost certainly a deliberate action associated with the cursor > > location. Fair? > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > > University of Florida > > Department of Anesthesiology > > PO Box 100254 > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > > > Email: bschwab@... > > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UI mailing list > > UI@... > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > _______________________________________________ > > UI mailing list > > UI@... > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UI mailing list > > UI@... > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > UI@... > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > UI@... > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI@... http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
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RE: Mouse wheel
by Gary Chambers-4
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Note that the default value for mouseClickForKeyboardFocus (in UITheme
class>>initialize)is false for "compatibility with old Squeak behaviour". Perhaps it would be better set to true. > -----Original Message----- > From: ui-bounces@... > [mailto:ui-bounces@...]On Behalf Of Bill Schwab > Sent: 04 February 2008 12:23 PM > To: ui@... > Subject: RE: [UI] Mouse wheel > > > Gary, > > Ok, the place to start is for me to double check my preferences. More > to come. Thanks! > > Bill > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab@... > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > >>> gazzaguru2@... 02/04/08 6:01 AM >>> > Odd, I get the expected behaviour (with mouseClickForKeyboardFocus > enabled > and mouseOverForKeyboardFocus disabled). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ui-bounces@... > > [mailto:ui-bounces@...]On Behalf Of Bill Schwab > > Sent: 03 February 2008 12:32 AM > > To: ui@... > > Subject: RE: [UI] Mouse wheel > > > > > > Gary, > > > > I saw 285 and loaded that and fiddled around slightly. I made a point > > of using the wheel to scroll panes in inactive windows interspersed > with > > typing in the active window, and that seems to work except when the > > scrolling list is part of the active window. With the other traffic, > I > > suspect that a change to regain keyboard selection in the lists is > being > > enabled on mouse over (if only in/under the active windows) vs. after > > transfer of focus. I see where you are going, but it essentially > brings > > back the "lists grab the focus" problem. > > > > IMHO, if a user wants to simply point at a list and have it grab the > > focus for keyboard navigation, they should use a policy that changes > > focus on mouse-over. As a click/tab to change focus type, I want the > > focus to be independent of the mouse movement, and will click/tab to a > > list that I want to navigate by keyboard. Hopefully it will suffice > to > > limit the navigation to the list with the focus. Reasonable? > > > > As always, thanks for working on this!!! > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > > University of Florida > > Department of Anesthesiology > > PO Box 100254 > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > > > Email: bschwab@... > > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > > >>> gazzaguru2@... 01/28/08 11:42 AM >>> > > Load Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.284 from SqueakSource and enjoy! > > Was tricky to figure out but done nicely, I think. > > If the VMs get arround to generating mouse wheel events natively > > (rrather > > than simulating with a keystroke) it is a small matter to support that > > when/if that happens. > > > > Will await feedback before updating the Universe. > > > > Regards, Gary. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ui-bounces@... > > > [mailto:ui-bounces@...]On Behalf Of Bill > Schwab > > > Sent: 22 January 2008 3:21 AM > > > To: ui@... > > > Subject: Re: [UI] Mouse wheel > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > It is not terribly high on my priority list, but the more I work > with > > > Squeak, the more I notice that the way other apps handle the wheel > > makes > > > a LOT of sense. Given a choice, I would opt for solid keyboard > focus > > > every time. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > > > University of Florida > > > Department of Anesthesiology > > > PO Box 100254 > > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > > > > > Email: bschwab@... > > > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > > > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > > > > >>> gazzaguru2@... 01/21/08 6:27 PM >>> > > > I've looked at that, would be nice! Unfortunately, in Squeak, the > > mouse > > > wheel is simulated as keyboard events. It would require some hacking > > to > > > pick these up and send to the mouse focus instead. If there is > > > sufficient interest I'll take a stab at it. > > > > > > Thanks. Gary. > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > From: Bill Schwab <BSchwab@...> > > > To: <ui@...> > > > Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008, 20:45:13 GMT > > > Subject: [UI] Mouse wheel > > > Gary, > > > > > > I hope this is not a repeat, or worse yet reflective of my not > having > > > installed a new enough release, but _almost_ as much as I think > > keyboard > > > focus should be managed very carefully and independent of the mouse > > > cursor location, I think the mouse wheel input should follow the > mouse > > > cursor, even so far as scrolling panes that are not active, and not > > even > > > part of the active shell. First, I just noticed Ubuntu, its > graphical > > > terminal, and OpenOffice do this to good effect (as just one > example); > > > second, if I am typing, mouse movement is probably made to avoid > > visual > > > distraction from the cursor, if I am turning the mouse wheel, it is > > > almost certainly a deliberate action associated with the cursor > > > location. Fair? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > > > University of Florida > > > Department of Anesthesiology > > > PO Box 100254 > > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > > > > > Email: bschwab@... > > > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > > > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > UI mailing list > > > UI@... > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > > _______________________________________________ > > > UI mailing list > > > UI@... > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > UI mailing list > > > UI@... > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UI mailing list > > UI@... > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UI mailing list > > UI@... > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > UI@... > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > UI@... > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI@... http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
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