I'm sorry, I meant to send this to mb-style, not mb-users.
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Od: Lukáš Lalinský <lalinsky@...>
Komu: General discussions about MusicBrainz
<musicbrainz-users@...>
Predmet: MediaWiki (was: Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader)
Dátum: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:15:11 +0200
Hi,
part of the previous discussion was migrating the wiki to either
MoinMoin 1.6 or MediaWiki. A MediaWiki instance is now set up on
http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/ with the latest version of our current
wiki (no history). Can you please play with it, try to use some of the
features that were discussed as improvements over MoinMoin and see if
it's worth migrating?
Lukáš Lalinský a écrit :
> part of the previous discussion was migrating the wiki to either
> MoinMoin 1.6 or MediaWiki. A MediaWiki instance is now set up on
> http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/ with the latest version of our current
> wiki (no history). Can you please play with it, try to use some of the
> features that were discussed as improvements over MoinMoin and see if
> it's worth migrating?
>
>
Thanks for setting up this mediawiki instance!
So far I would say the conversion is not that bad, if you exclude pages
using extensively Cards.
Search is faster.
What is a bit disturbing is the naming of pages: no more CamelCase (page
CamelCase is now "Camel Case"),
but since redirections are working, the migration path is smoother.
> What is a bit disturbing is the naming of pages: no more CamelCase (page
> CamelCase is now "Camel Case"), but since redirections are working,
> the migration path is smoother.
This was actually intentional, I can disable the renaming, but I think
non-CamelCase page titles are nicer.
Would it be possible to enable file uploads? I was testing if it were
possible to create a page for identifying Chinese Labels at
http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Chinese_Labels, but was kindly
informed that "File uploads are disabled on MusicBrainz Wiki."
Philip
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Lukáš Lalinský <lalinsky@...> wrote:
> Dňa Ut, 2008-08-05 o 18:16 +0200, "Aurélien.mino" napísal:
>> I'm doing some tests to convert our Cards to Templates.
>> Could you enable set $wgAllowExternalImages to true?
>> (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages).
>
> Done.
>
>> What is a bit disturbing is the naming of pages: no more CamelCase (page
>> CamelCase is now "Camel Case"), but since redirections are working,
>> the migration path is smoother.
>
> This was actually intentional, I can disable the renaming, but I think
> non-CamelCase page titles are nicer.
>
> Lukas
>
>
>
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Ah, MediaWiki is quite refreshing, I like it. We'll have to manually
move user pages to User: pages. Also, the decamelcapser messed up
quite badly on discid titles, if there's a simple way to stop those
from being converted that would be good, otherwise they need manual
cleanup later:
> Would it be possible to enable file uploads? I was testing if it were
> possible to create a page for identifying Chinese Labels at
> http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Chinese_Labels, but was kindly
> informed that "File uploads are disabled on MusicBrainz Wiki."
>
> Philip
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Lukáš Lalinský <lalinsky@...> wrote:
>> Dňa Ut, 2008-08-05 o 18:16 +0200, "Aurélien.mino" napísal:
>>> I'm doing some tests to convert our Cards to Templates.
>>> Could you enable set $wgAllowExternalImages to true?
>>> (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages).
>>
>> Done.
>>
>>> What is a bit disturbing is the naming of pages: no more CamelCase (page
>>> CamelCase is now "Camel Case"), but since redirections are working,
>>> the migration path is smoother.
>>
>> This was actually intentional, I can disable the renaming, but I think
>> non-CamelCase page titles are nicer.
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Musicbrainz-style mailing list
>> Musicbrainz-style@... >> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >
Dňa St, 2008-08-06 o 08:44 +0700, Philip Jägenstedt napísal:
> Would it be possible to enable file uploads? I was testing if it were
> possible to create a page for identifying Chinese Labels at
> http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Chinese_Labels, but was kindly
> informed that "File uploads are disabled on MusicBrainz Wiki."
Dňa St, 2008-08-06 o 08:53 +0700, Philip Jägenstedt napísal:
> Ah, MediaWiki is quite refreshing, I like it. We'll have to manually
> move user pages to User: pages
> Also, the decamelcapser messed up
> quite badly on discid titles, if there's a simple way to stop those
> from being converted that would be good, otherwise they need manual
> cleanup later:
It's true that some pages are decamelcased incorrectly (I have a list of
these from nikki, so they will be fixed in the final import), but in
this case I think the correct term is "Disc ID", not "DiscID".
Lukáš Lalinský wrote:
> Dňa St, 2008-08-06 o 08:44 +0700, Philip Jägenstedt napísal:
>> Would it be possible to enable file uploads? I was testing if it were
>> possible to create a page for identifying Chinese Labels at
>> http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Chinese_Labels, but was kindly
>> informed that "File uploads are disabled on MusicBrainz Wiki."
>
> Done.
>
Could also enable embedding of SpecialPage:WhatLinksHere to emulate
MoinMoin backlinks?
OK, can we please get some clarity about how migration will be handled,
if/when we decide?
To be clear, I am under the impression that edits to the current
MediaWiki will be lost prior to any actual migration date due to the
need to stay up to date with respect to what's in MoinMoin now.
How should we handle the work required to get it up to standard? After
some testing/playing period, perhaps we re migrate the data and put some
sort of moratorium on edits to the existing MoinMoin wiki, redirecting
effort to fixing talk pages and any other major migration messes, before
an actual migration?
We don't want people's work (given there's so few that do it) to be lost
by making changes to either wiki which may be lost.
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Chad Wilson <chad.wilson@...> wrote:
To be clear, I am under the impression that edits to the current
MediaWiki will be lost prior to any actual migration date due to the
need to stay up to date with respect to what's in MoinMoin now.
As I see it the Media Wiki is only there for testing how the migration would come out and to play with the new system to see if it's functions meet our needs. The final migration will of course overwrite all changes to the media wiki and should hopefully also include the page histories.
For the final migration I think the current wiki should be locked down for writing while the data is migrated to prevent unnecessary work that will be lost.
> Philip Jägenstedt-3 wrote:
>
>> Ah, MediaWiki is quite refreshing, I like it....
>>
>>
>
> Hear, hear! +1!
>
> I like what I see at the prototype pages.
>
> We should make a place to list issues with the migration (he said, presuming
> that it will in fact go ahead).
>
See http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/MediaWiki_migration > For instance, I'd like to see all of the edit history migrate forward,
> instead of just the most recent edit.
>
This is the plan. But it was easier to not import it for the prototype
instance.
Chad Wilson a écrit :
>
> We don't want people's work (given there's so few that do it) to be lost
> by making changes to either wiki which may be lost.
>
Current work on MediaWiki is only for the proof-of-concept.
It's assumed that it will be lost with the final migration, excepted for
manually exported pages (I'm thinking of doing it for some Templates).
Also to complete Philipp answer, decision to move to MediaWiki is not
yet made,
but since there seems to be a general consensus in the community that
this would be a could thing,
I think we're on the road to migrate ;-)
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