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Manual copyright
by Felipe Sateler
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I'm currently packaging the csound manual now for debian. As part of the
process, I need to check all copyright notices and licenses, but the manual is somewhat a mess in this respect: most files don't have any copyright assignment. There is the copyright notice that gets output in the manual itself, but I find it confusing: why aren't the people listed as authors at the front page named there? Are they the only contributors? Some pages have a Credits section. Maybe this could be interpreted as a copyright statement? So... what I guess I'm asking for is a clarification of the copyright and licensing status of the manual. -- Felipe Sateler ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel |
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Re: Manual copyright
by Andres Cabrera
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Hi Felipe,
The manual is LGPL. The credits section refers mostly to the opcode itself, but possibly the manual page as well. I have been assuming that contributions for the manual have been made under the LGPL, would it be better to have explicit permission? It might be good to remove the copyright (for MIT) that appears on the initial page, since it refers to the original version, and not the current one. This makes me wonder, has the manual been cleared with MIT as well as the csound sources? Or does this manual come entirely from Kevin Conder's efforts and should not be (c) MIT at all? Cheers, Andrés On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Felipe Sateler <fsateler@...> wrote: > I'm currently packaging the csound manual now for debian. As part of the > process, I need to check all copyright notices and licenses, but the manual > is somewhat a mess in this respect: most files don't have any copyright > assignment. There is the copyright notice that gets output in the manual > itself, but I find it confusing: why aren't the people listed as authors at > the front page named there? Are they the only contributors? Some pages have a > Credits section. Maybe this could be interpreted as a copyright statement? > > So... what I guess I'm asking for is a clarification of the copyright and > licensing status of the manual. > > -- > Felipe Sateler > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel |
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Re: Manual copyright
by Felipe Sateler
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On Tuesday 15 April 2008 10:52:16 Andres Cabrera wrote:
> Hi Felipe, > > The manual is LGPL. The credits section refers mostly to the opcode > itself, but possibly the manual page as well. I have been assuming > that contributions for the manual have been made under the LGPL, would > it be better to have explicit permission? The copyright section says it is GFDL without invariant sections. > > It might be good to remove the copyright (for MIT) that appears on the > initial page, since it refers to the original version, and not the > current one. If the manual is based in the MIT version of the manual, then the copyright should be stated. Although it is confusing to see only that copyright notice. BTW, I see that there are embedded copies of docbook packages. Are they forked versions or just convenience copies? To use a system version I would just need to change the XSL_* variables in Makefile and the DOCTYPE entries in manual.xml and manpages.xml, or are there more changes necesary? -- Felipe Sateler ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel |
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Re: Manual copyright
by Andres Cabrera
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Hi,
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Felipe Sateler <fsateler@...> wrote: > The copyright section says it is GFDL without invariant sections. > Right! Sorry, I confused the name, I meant GFDL. > > > > It might be good to remove the copyright (for MIT) that appears on the > > initial page, since it refers to the original version, and not the > > current one. > > If the manual is based in the MIT version of the manual, then the copyright > should be stated. Although it is confusing to see only that copyright notice. > Does anyone know if the current manual is based on the MIT or if it a rewrite? Also is there official permission from MIT for having the manual GFDL? > > > BTW, I see that there are embedded copies of docbook packages. Are they forked > versions or just convenience copies? To use a system version I would just > need to change the XSL_* variables in Makefile and the DOCTYPE entries in > manual.xml and manpages.xml, or are there more changes necesary? > I'm not really sure if they are, we'd have to check, it would certainly be better to use a system version, as I don't think any of the changes in docbook versioning would impact the manual. (I can't be sure about this, but I suspect there would be no trouble with 4.X versions) Cheers, Andrés > -- > Felipe Sateler > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel |
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Re: Manual copyright
by Dr. Richard Boulanger-3
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The manual and all Csound Documentation has been cleared with the MIT
Lawyers and is LGPL. I arranged this personally in meetings with the MIT Lawyers and Barry Vercoe. The original copyright message should have been removed. Regarding the history of the manual - This version does NOT come entirely from Kevin Condor's efforts. Here's my recollection:::: Please correct me.... Conder worked with the documentation that I provided and worked on for years (built from Barry's version with serious html conversion/contribution from Jean Piché.) After I made it into a Word document, by scanning, OCR, and then correcting and standardizing every page - from a hard copy provided by Barry; Rasmus Ekman, John ffitch and I added a ton... We then handed off to David Boothe David came on and did an incredible job in re-working, re-arranging, re-wording, standardizing, expanding, and remaking the document. Then came Kevin... who worked with the Boothe document and whom no one else could work with.... He put his name on every page. At my request, Kevin did work on examples for every opcode and added this feature - and these continue to be replaced and revised with new, clear, and more educationally inspired models and examples.... As I understand it, Micheal Gogins came on with some tutorials and installation instructions. But the new and incredibly wonderful (and more information-filled) canonical manual has been in the wonderful hands of Andres Cabrera. Andres has really turned the document into a significantly improved educational and reference document and has been making major corrections and additions. With contributions from many many others (every opcode developer has provided wonderful manual pages and examples), since before 1979, the Music11->Csound documentation torch has mainly been carried and passed through 5 generations from: 1. Vercoe 2. Boulanger - ffitch - ekman - piché 3. Boothe 4. Conder 5. Cabrera - lazzarini - yi - gogins -dB On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Andres Cabrera wrote: > Hi Felipe, > > The manual is LGPL. The credits section refers mostly to the opcode > itself, but possibly the manual page as well. I have been assuming > that contributions for the manual have been made under the LGPL, would > it be better to have explicit permission? > > It might be good to remove the copyright (for MIT) that appears on the > initial page, since it refers to the original version, and not the > current one. > > This makes me wonder, has the manual been cleared with MIT as well as > the csound sources? Or does this manual come entirely from Kevin > Conder's efforts and should not be (c) MIT at all? > > Cheers, > Andrés > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Felipe Sateler > <fsateler@...> wrote: >> I'm currently packaging the csound manual now for debian. As part >> of the >> process, I need to check all copyright notices and licenses, but >> the manual >> is somewhat a mess in this respect: most files don't have any >> copyright >> assignment. There is the copyright notice that gets output in the >> manual >> itself, but I find it confusing: why aren't the people listed as >> authors at >> the front page named there? Are they the only contributors? Some >> pages have a >> Credits section. Maybe this could be interpreted as a copyright >> statement? >> >> So... what I guess I'm asking for is a clarification of the >> copyright and >> licensing status of the manual. >> >> -- >> Felipe Sateler >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference >> Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save >> $100. >> Use priority code J8TL2D2. >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// >> java.sun.com/javaone >> _______________________________________________ >> Csound-devel mailing list >> Csound-devel@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save > $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// > java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel |
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Re: Manual copyright
by Dr. Richard Boulanger-3
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Sorry... I mean YES the manual and all document is GFDL.
-dB On Apr 15, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote: > The manual and all Csound Documentation has been cleared with the MIT > Lawyers and is LGPL. > > I arranged this personally in meetings with the MIT Lawyers and Barry > Vercoe. > > The original copyright message should have been removed. > > > Regarding the history of the manual - This version does NOT come > entirely from Kevin Condor's efforts. > > Here's my recollection:::: Please correct me.... > > Conder worked with the documentation that I provided and worked on > for years (built from Barry's version with > serious html conversion/contribution from Jean Piché.) After I made > it into a Word document, by scanning, OCR, and then > correcting and standardizing every page - from a hard copy provided > by Barry; Rasmus Ekman, John ffitch and I added a > ton... > > We then handed off to David Boothe > > David came on and did an incredible job in re-working, re-arranging, > re-wording, standardizing, expanding, and remaking the document. > > Then came Kevin... who worked with the Boothe document and whom no > one else could work with.... He put his name on every page. > > At my request, Kevin did work on examples for every opcode and added > this feature - and these continue to be replaced and revised with > new, clear, and more educationally inspired models and examples.... > > As I understand it, Micheal Gogins came on with some tutorials and > installation instructions. > > But the new and incredibly wonderful (and more information-filled) > canonical manual has been in the wonderful hands of Andres Cabrera. > > Andres has really turned the document into a significantly improved > educational and reference document and has been making major > corrections and additions. > > > With contributions from many many others (every opcode developer has > provided wonderful manual pages and examples), > since before 1979, the Music11->Csound documentation torch has mainly > been carried and passed through 5 generations from: > > 1. Vercoe > > 2. Boulanger > - ffitch > - ekman > - piché > > 3. Boothe > > 4. Conder > > 5. Cabrera > - lazzarini > - yi > - gogins > > > -dB > > On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Andres Cabrera wrote: > >> Hi Felipe, >> >> The manual is LGPL. The credits section refers mostly to the opcode >> itself, but possibly the manual page as well. I have been assuming >> that contributions for the manual have been made under the LGPL, >> would >> it be better to have explicit permission? >> >> It might be good to remove the copyright (for MIT) that appears on >> the >> initial page, since it refers to the original version, and not the >> current one. >> >> This makes me wonder, has the manual been cleared with MIT as well as >> the csound sources? Or does this manual come entirely from Kevin >> Conder's efforts and should not be (c) MIT at all? >> >> Cheers, >> Andrés >> >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Felipe Sateler >> <fsateler@...> wrote: >>> I'm currently packaging the csound manual now for debian. As part >>> of the >>> process, I need to check all copyright notices and licenses, but >>> the manual >>> is somewhat a mess in this respect: most files don't have any >>> copyright >>> assignment. There is the copyright notice that gets output in the >>> manual >>> itself, but I find it confusing: why aren't the people listed as >>> authors at >>> the front page named there? Are they the only contributors? Some >>> pages have a >>> Credits section. Maybe this could be interpreted as a copyright >>> statement? >>> >>> So... what I guess I'm asking for is a clarification of the >>> copyright and >>> licensing status of the manual. >>> >>> -- >>> Felipe Sateler >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> ---- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference >>> Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save >>> $100. >>> Use priority code J8TL2D2. >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// >>> java.sun.com/javaone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Csound-devel mailing list >>> Csound-devel@... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> --- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference >> Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save >> $100. >> Use priority code J8TL2D2. >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// >> java.sun.com/javaone >> _______________________________________________ >> Csound-devel mailing list >> Csound-devel@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save > $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// > java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel |
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Re: Manual copyright
by Steven Yi
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Well, for history's sake, from Kevin's manual, I took over when he
decided to stop. I did the conversion from SGML and XML as well as worked out the tool chain for processing using xsltproc and fop, allowing us to maintain the then HTML and PDF targets, though adding A4 PDF and HTML single-page targets. Also, from there I added the WinHelp version of the manual. Afterwards, I maintained the manual for a year or two (don't remember), before Andres took over. I would say without Kevin's work we wouldn't have had a manual where we could easily collaboratively work on it. That was part of it though, as without converting to XML and figuring out the tool chain, it would have been much more difficult to build the manual and hence make it harder to collaborate, as the SGML tool chain was not easy at all to get things working. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger <rboulanger@...> wrote: > The manual and all Csound Documentation has been cleared with the MIT > Lawyers and is LGPL. > > I arranged this personally in meetings with the MIT Lawyers and Barry > Vercoe. > > The original copyright message should have been removed. > > > Regarding the history of the manual - This version does NOT come > entirely from Kevin Condor's efforts. > > Here's my recollection:::: Please correct me.... > > Conder worked with the documentation that I provided and worked on > for years (built from Barry's version with > serious html conversion/contribution from Jean Piché.) After I made > it into a Word document, by scanning, OCR, and then > correcting and standardizing every page - from a hard copy provided > by Barry; Rasmus Ekman, John ffitch and I added a > ton... > > We then handed off to David Boothe > > David came on and did an incredible job in re-working, re-arranging, > re-wording, standardizing, expanding, and remaking the document. > > Then came Kevin... who worked with the Boothe document and whom no > one else could work with.... He put his name on every page. > > At my request, Kevin did work on examples for every opcode and added > this feature - and these continue to be replaced and revised with > new, clear, and more educationally inspired models and examples.... > > As I understand it, Micheal Gogins came on with some tutorials and > installation instructions. > > But the new and incredibly wonderful (and more information-filled) > canonical manual has been in the wonderful hands of Andres Cabrera. > > Andres has really turned the document into a significantly improved > educational and reference document and has been making major > corrections and additions. > > > With contributions from many many others (every opcode developer has > provided wonderful manual pages and examples), > since before 1979, the Music11->Csound documentation torch has mainly > been carried and passed through 5 generations from: > > 1. Vercoe > > 2. Boulanger > - ffitch > - ekman > - piché > > 3. Boothe > > 4. Conder > > 5. Cabrera > - lazzarini > - yi > - gogins > > > -dB > > > > On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Andres Cabrera wrote: > > > Hi Felipe, > > > > The manual is LGPL. The credits section refers mostly to the opcode > > itself, but possibly the manual page as well. I have been assuming > > that contributions for the manual have been made under the LGPL, would > > it be better to have explicit permission? > > > > It might be good to remove the copyright (for MIT) that appears on the > > initial page, since it refers to the original version, and not the > > current one. > > > > This makes me wonder, has the manual been cleared with MIT as well as > > the csound sources? Or does this manual come entirely from Kevin > > Conder's efforts and should not be (c) MIT at all? > > > > Cheers, > > Andrés > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Felipe Sateler > > <fsateler@...> wrote: > >> I'm currently packaging the csound manual now for debian. As part > >> of the > >> process, I need to check all copyright notices and licenses, but > >> the manual > >> is somewhat a mess in this respect: most files don't have any > >> copyright > >> assignment. There is the copyright notice that gets output in the > >> manual > >> itself, but I find it confusing: why aren't the people listed as > >> authors at > >> the front page named there? Are they the only contributors? Some > >> pages have a > >> Credits section. Maybe this could be interpreted as a copyright > >> statement? > >> > >> So... what I guess I'm asking for is a clarification of the > >> copyright and > >> licensing status of the manual. > >> > >> -- > >> Felipe Sateler > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> ---- > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > >> Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save > >> $100. > >> Use priority code J8TL2D2. > >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// > >> java.sun.com/javaone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Csound-devel mailing list > >> Csound-devel@... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > >> > >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save > > $100. > > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// > > java.sun.com/javaone > > _______________________________________________ > > Csound-devel mailing list > > Csound-devel@... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel |
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Re: Manual copyright
by Dr. Richard Boulanger-3
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Thanks Steven for this additional info.
Those were my two years of personal chaos - and I remember immensely and with great gratitude when you picked up the project and how you brought it to another level. In the timeline of things - yours was a major contribution. Andres and I were discussing this privately. Sorry to have forgotten your major work on this document and resource. -dB On Apr 16, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Steven Yi wrote: > Well, for history's sake, from Kevin's manual, I took over when he > decided to stop. I did the conversion from SGML and XML as well as > worked out the tool chain for processing using xsltproc and fop, > allowing us to maintain the then HTML and PDF targets, though adding > A4 PDF and HTML single-page targets. Also, from there I added the > WinHelp version of the manual. Afterwards, I maintained the manual > for a year or two (don't remember), before Andres took over. > > I would say without Kevin's work we wouldn't have had a manual where > we could easily collaboratively work on it. That was part of it > though, as without converting to XML and figuring out the tool chain, > it would have been much more difficult to build the manual and hence > make it harder to collaborate, as the SGML tool chain was not easy at > all to get things working. > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger > <rboulanger@...> wrote: >> The manual and all Csound Documentation has been cleared with the MIT >> Lawyers and is LGPL. >> >> I arranged this personally in meetings with the MIT Lawyers and >> Barry >> Vercoe. >> >> The original copyright message should have been removed. >> >> >> Regarding the history of the manual - This version does NOT come >> entirely from Kevin Condor's efforts. >> >> Here's my recollection:::: Please correct me.... >> >> Conder worked with the documentation that I provided and worked on >> for years (built from Barry's version with >> serious html conversion/contribution from Jean Piché.) After I made >> it into a Word document, by scanning, OCR, and then >> correcting and standardizing every page - from a hard copy provided >> by Barry; Rasmus Ekman, John ffitch and I added a >> ton... >> >> We then handed off to David Boothe >> >> David came on and did an incredible job in re-working, re-arranging, >> re-wording, standardizing, expanding, and remaking the document. >> >> Then came Kevin... who worked with the Boothe document and whom no >> one else could work with.... He put his name on every page. >> >> At my request, Kevin did work on examples for every opcode and added >> this feature - and these continue to be replaced and revised with >> new, clear, and more educationally inspired models and examples.... >> >> As I understand it, Micheal Gogins came on with some tutorials and >> installation instructions. >> >> But the new and incredibly wonderful (and more information-filled) >> canonical manual has been in the wonderful hands of Andres Cabrera. >> >> Andres has really turned the document into a significantly improved >> educational and reference document and has been making major >> corrections and additions. >> >> >> With contributions from many many others (every opcode developer has >> provided wonderful manual pages and examples), >> since before 1979, the Music11->Csound documentation torch has >> mainly >> been carried and passed through 5 generations from: >> >> 1. Vercoe >> >> 2. Boulanger >> - ffitch >> - ekman >> - piché >> >> 3. Boothe >> >> 4. Conder >> >> 5. Cabrera >> - lazzarini >> - yi >> - gogins >> >> >> -dB >> >> >> >> On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Andres Cabrera wrote: >> >>> Hi Felipe, >>> >>> The manual is LGPL. The credits section refers mostly to the opcode >>> itself, but possibly the manual page as well. I have been assuming >>> that contributions for the manual have been made under the LGPL, >>> would >>> it be better to have explicit permission? >>> >>> It might be good to remove the copyright (for MIT) that appears >>> on the >>> initial page, since it refers to the original version, and not the >>> current one. >>> >>> This makes me wonder, has the manual been cleared with MIT as >>> well as >>> the csound sources? Or does this manual come entirely from Kevin >>> Conder's efforts and should not be (c) MIT at all? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Andrés >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Felipe Sateler >>> <fsateler@...> wrote: >>>> I'm currently packaging the csound manual now for debian. As part >>>> of the >>>> process, I need to check all copyright notices and licenses, but >>>> the manual >>>> is somewhat a mess in this respect: most files don't have any >>>> copyright >>>> assignment. There is the copyright notice that gets output in the >>>> manual >>>> itself, but I find it confusing: why aren't the people listed as >>>> authors at >>>> the front page named there? Are they the only contributors? Some >>>> pages have a >>>> Credits section. Maybe this could be interpreted as a copyright >>>> statement? >>>> >>>> So... what I guess I'm asking for is a clarification of the >>>> copyright and >>>> licensing status of the manual. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Felipe Sateler >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> ---- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference >>>> Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save >>>> $100. >>>> Use priority code J8TL2D2. >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// >>>> java.sun.com/javaone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Csound-devel mailing list >>>> Csound-devel@... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> --- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference >>> Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save >>> $100. >>> Use priority code J8TL2D2. >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// >>> java.sun.com/javaone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Csound-devel mailing list >>> Csound-devel@... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference >> Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save >> $100. >> Use priority code J8TL2D2. >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// >> java.sun.com/javaone >> _______________________________________________ >> Csound-devel mailing list >> Csound-devel@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save > $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// > java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. 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Re: Manual copyright
by Steven Yi
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Oh no worries, and for history's sake, I'm really glad Andres took up
the reins! He's done wonderful work taking the project to where it is now . Thanks! =) On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger <rboulanger@...> wrote: > Thanks Steven for this additional info. > Those were my two years of personal chaos - and I remember immensely > and with great gratitude > when you picked up the project and how you brought it to another level. > > In the timeline of things - yours was a major contribution. Andres > and I were discussing this privately. > > Sorry to have forgotten your major work on this document and resource. > > -dB > > > > On Apr 16, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Steven Yi wrote: > > > Well, for history's sake, from Kevin's manual, I took over when he > > decided to stop. I did the conversion from SGML and XML as well as > > worked out the tool chain for processing using xsltproc and fop, > > allowing us to maintain the then HTML and PDF targets, though adding > > A4 PDF and HTML single-page targets. Also, from there I added the > > WinHelp version of the manual. Afterwards, I maintained the manual > > for a year or two (don't remember), before Andres took over. > > > > I would say without Kevin's work we wouldn't have had a manual where > > we could easily collaboratively work on it. That was part of it > > though, as without converting to XML and figuring out the tool chain, > > it would have been much more difficult to build the manual and hence > > make it harder to collaborate, as the SGML tool chain was not easy at > > all to get things working. > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger > > <rboulanger@...> wrote: > >> The manual and all Csound Documentation has been cleared with the MIT > >> Lawyers and is LGPL. > >> > >> I arranged this personally in meetings with the MIT Lawyers and > >> Barry > >> Vercoe. > >> > >> The original copyright message should have been removed. > >> > >> > >> Regarding the history of the manual - This version does NOT come > >> entirely from Kevin Condor's efforts. > >> > >> Here's my recollection:::: Please correct me.... > >> > >> Conder worked with the documentation that I provided and worked on > >> for years (built from Barry's version with > >> serious html conversion/contribution from Jean Piché.) After I made > >> it into a Word document, by scanning, OCR, and then > >> correcting and standardizing every page - from a hard copy provided > >> by Barry; Rasmus Ekman, John ffitch and I added a > >> ton... > >> > >> We then handed off to David Boothe > >> > >> David came on and did an incredible job in re-working, re-arranging, > >> re-wording, standardizing, expanding, and remaking the document. > >> > >> Then came Kevin... who worked with the Boothe document and whom no > >> one else could work with.... He put his name on every page. > >> > >> At my request, Kevin did work on examples for every opcode and added > >> this feature - and these continue to be replaced and revised with > >> new, clear, and more educationally inspired models and examples.... > >> > >> As I understand it, Micheal Gogins came on with some tutorials and > >> installation instructions. > >> > >> But the new and incredibly wonderful (and more information-filled) > >> canonical manual has been in the wonderful hands of Andres Cabrera. > >> > >> Andres has really turned the document into a significantly improved > >> educational and reference document and has been making major > >> corrections and additions. > >> > >> > >> With contributions from many many others (every opcode developer has > >> provided wonderful manual pages and examples), > >> since before 1979, the Music11->Csound documentation torch has > >> mainly > >> been carried and passed through 5 generations from: > >> > >> 1. Vercoe > >> > >> 2. Boulanger > >> - ffitch > >> - ekman > >> - piché > >> > >> 3. Boothe > >> > >> 4. Conder > >> > >> 5. Cabrera > >> - lazzarini > >> - yi > >> - gogins > >> > >> > >> -dB > >> > >> > >> > >> On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Andres Cabrera wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Felipe, > >>> > >>> The manual is LGPL. The credits section refers mostly to the opcode > >>> itself, but possibly the manual page as well. I have been assuming > >>> that contributions for the manual have been made under the LGPL, > >>> would > >>> it be better to have explicit permission? > >>> > >>> It might be good to remove the copyright (for MIT) that appears > >>> on the > >>> initial page, since it refers to the original version, and not the > >>> current one. > >>> > >>> This makes me wonder, has the manual been cleared with MIT as > >>> well as > >>> the csound sources? Or does this manual come entirely from Kevin > >>> Conder's efforts and should not be (c) MIT at all? > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Andrés > >>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Felipe Sateler > >>> <fsateler@...> wrote: > >>>> I'm currently packaging the csound manual now for debian. As part > >>>> of the > >>>> process, I need to check all copyright notices and licenses, but > >>>> the manual > >>>> is somewhat a mess in this respect: most files don't have any > >>>> copyright > >>>> assignment. There is the copyright notice that gets output in the > >>>> manual > >>>> itself, but I find it confusing: why aren't the people listed as > >>>> authors at > >>>> the front page named there? Are they the only contributors? Some > >>>> pages have a > >>>> Credits section. Maybe this could be interpreted as a copyright > >>>> statement? > >>>> > >>>> So... what I guess I'm asking for is a clarification of the > >>>> copyright and > >>>> licensing status of the manual. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Felipe Sateler > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> -- > >>>> ---- > >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > >>>> Don't miss this year's exciting event. 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