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Making Forums Accessible
by Yasmin Tabassum
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Re: Making Forums Accessible
by Joachim Andersson
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Generally it is not hard to make a forum accessible. Unfortunately,
solutions that are "ready to use" almost never conform to W3C
technologies and WAI recommendations. If you are building the forum
yourself, the chances are much better!
A few tips on the way. Example: <label for="firstname">First name: </label><input type="text" name="firstname" id="firstname" /> Always supply information on how a user should use your forms before asking the user for information. E.g. tell the user how to use an input field before asking him/her to type. Example <label for="phone">Phone number (only digits, no spaces): </label><input type...> Then there's the question of threads in a forum. Always use <ul> (Unordered lists) to convey information on levels. This applies to menu systems, forum threads and many other things, where developers long have used indentation with margin, padding etc, but haven't used markup to convey such structural information. Nested lists are often incorrectly coded. This is the correct way to do it: <ul> <li>First list item, level 1</li> <li>Second list item, level 1 <ul> <li>First list item, level 2 (child of level 1, item 2)</li> <li>Second list item, level 2 (child of level 1, item 2)</li> </ul> </li> <li>Third list item, level 1</li> </ul> Look at the end tag for the second list item, level 1. It ends after the child ul and its li elements. This is what makes it a child object of the ul level 1. If you're using images (symbols or icons) in navigation through threads, provide relevant alternative texts for those images, that are unique and point to the actual part of a unique thread. Remember to make forms unique, not only in id and name attributes, but also (if more than one comment form is available on the same page) that buttons do not just say "Reply" or "Comment", but "Reply to [subject of thread]". This is very important, especially to visually impaired visitors. Maybe these are tips you already knew about, but being a freequent visitor of forums on the web I have noticed that these things almost never are built according to W3C standards and recommendations. I hope it's useful in some way! Best regards, Joachim Andersson Web Accessibility Consultant www.bluebirdsolutions.se 2008/8/25 Yasmin Tabassum <tellyasmin@...>
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Target and NFB agree to Settlement
by Michael R. Burks
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Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement
by Felix Miata
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On 2008/08/27 10:38 (GMT-0400) Michael R. Burks apparently typed: > This is great news!!! > http://www.nfbtargetlawsuit.com/final_settlement.htm Great for whom? -- "Love is not easily angered. Love does not demand its own way." 1 Corinthians 13:5 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ |
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Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement
by Matthew Smith-2
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Quoth Felix Miata at 2008-08-28 03:01... > On 2008/08/27 10:38 (GMT-0400) Michael R. Burks apparently typed: > >> This is great news!!! > >> http://www.nfbtargetlawsuit.com/final_settlement.htm > > Great for whom? Good question. I had a quick look for "Abstract" or "Executive Summary", but it appears that legal people have some sort of aversion to writing summaries (and, for that matter, easy-to-understand documents.) I just gave up. If anyone feels like posting a Summary for Humans, that I will read... Cheers M -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy |
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Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement
by Matt Morgan-May
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Disability Rights Advocates wrote a summary here: http://www.dralegal.org/cases/private_business/nfb_v_target.php - m On 8/27/08 3:01 PM, "Matthew Smith" <matt@...> wrote: > > Quoth Felix Miata at 2008-08-28 03:01... >> On 2008/08/27 10:38 (GMT-0400) Michael R. Burks apparently typed: >> >>> This is great news!!! >> >>> http://www.nfbtargetlawsuit.com/final_settlement.htm >> >> Great for whom? > > Good question. I had a quick look for "Abstract" or "Executive > Summary", but it appears that legal people have some sort of aversion to > writing summaries (and, for that matter, easy-to-understand documents.) > I just gave up. > > If anyone feels like posting a Summary for Humans, that I will read... > > Cheers > > M > |
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Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement
by David Poehlman-2
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we've got to find another way! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Morgan-May" <mattmay@...> To: "Matthew Smith" <matt@...>; "'WAI Interest Group'" <w3c-wai-ig@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement Disability Rights Advocates wrote a summary here: http://www.dralegal.org/cases/private_business/nfb_v_target.php - m On 8/27/08 3:01 PM, "Matthew Smith" <matt@...> wrote: > > Quoth Felix Miata at 2008-08-28 03:01... >> On 2008/08/27 10:38 (GMT-0400) Michael R. Burks apparently typed: >> >>> This is great news!!! >> >>> http://www.nfbtargetlawsuit.com/final_settlement.htm >> >> Great for whom? > > Good question. I had a quick look for "Abstract" or "Executive > Summary", but it appears that legal people have some sort of aversion to > writing summaries (and, for that matter, easy-to-understand documents.) > I just gave up. > > If anyone feels like posting a Summary for Humans, that I will read... > > Cheers > > M > |
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Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement
by Michael S Elledge
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Hi all-- The exhibits will be posted today or tomorrow, which will provide additional details of the settlement. Best regards, Mike Michael S. Elledge Assistant Director Usability & Accessibility Center Michigan State University 517-353-8977 On Aug 27, 2008, at 7:35 PM, "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@...> wrote: > > we've got to find another way! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Morgan-May" <mattmay@...> > To: "Matthew Smith" <matt@...>; "'WAI Interest Group'" > <w3c-wai-ig@...> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement > > > > Disability Rights Advocates wrote a summary here: > > http://www.dralegal.org/cases/private_business/nfb_v_target.php > > - > m > > > On 8/27/08 3:01 PM, "Matthew Smith" <matt@...> wrote: > >> >> Quoth Felix Miata at 2008-08-28 03:01... >>> On 2008/08/27 10:38 (GMT-0400) Michael R. Burks apparently typed: >>> >>>> This is great news!!! >>> >>>> http://www.nfbtargetlawsuit.com/final_settlement.htm >>> >>> Great for whom? >> >> Good question. I had a quick look for "Abstract" or "Executive >> Summary", but it appears that legal people have some sort of >> aversion to >> writing summaries (and, for that matter, easy-to-understand >> documents.) >> I just gave up. >> >> If anyone feels like posting a Summary for Humans, that I will >> read... >> >> Cheers >> >> M >> > > > > > |
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Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement
by Cynthia Waddell
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Everyone, The exhibits are posted at www.dralegal.org. Best regards, Cynthia Waddell Michael S Elledge writes: > > Hi all-- > > The exhibits will be posted today or tomorrow, which will provide > additional details of the settlement. > > Best regards, > > Mike > > > Michael S. Elledge > Assistant Director > Usability & Accessibility Center > Michigan State University > 517-353-8977 > > On Aug 27, 2008, at 7:35 PM, "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@...> > wrote: > >> >> we've got to find another way! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Matt Morgan-May" <mattmay@...> >> To: "Matthew Smith" <matt@...>; "'WAI Interest Group'" >> <w3c-wai-ig@...> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:15 PM >> Subject: Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement >> >> >> >> Disability Rights Advocates wrote a summary here: >> >> http://www.dralegal.org/cases/private_business/nfb_v_target.php >> >> - >> m >> >> >> On 8/27/08 3:01 PM, "Matthew Smith" <matt@...> wrote: >> >>> >>> Quoth Felix Miata at 2008-08-28 03:01... >>>> On 2008/08/27 10:38 (GMT-0400) Michael R. Burks apparently typed: >>>> >>>>> This is great news!!! >>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbtargetlawsuit.com/final_settlement.htm >>>> >>>> Great for whom? >>> >>> Good question. I had a quick look for "Abstract" or "Executive >>> Summary", but it appears that legal people have some sort of aversion >>> to >>> writing summaries (and, for that matter, easy-to-understand documents.) >>> I just gave up. >>> >>> If anyone feels like posting a Summary for Humans, that I will read... >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> M >>> >> >> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------- Cynthia D. Waddell, JD Executive Director and Law, Policy and Technology Consultant International Center for Disability Resources on the Internet (ICDRI) ICDRI Offices in Raleigh, North Carolina USA www.icdri.org/CynthiaW/cynthia_waddell.htm See my new book! Web Accessibility: Web Standards and Regulatory Compliance published at www.icdri.org/WSR_Book.htm See also Constructing Accessible Web Sites www.icdri.org/constructing_accessible_web_site.htm Is your Site Accessible? Find out now with Cynthia Says! www.cynthiasays.com The Cynthia SaysTM portal is a joint Education and Outreach project of ICDRI, The Internet Society Disability and Special Needs Chapter and HiSoftware. |
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Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement
by Bruce Lawson
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> > If anyone feels like posting a Summary for Humans, that I will read... > Here's my summary: http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/two-cheers-for-the-target-nfb-accessility-settlement bruce |
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Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement
by Phill Jenkins
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Is the press release (see below) a good enough "Abstract" or "Executive Summary" for you? Or are you looking for a summary of the settlement itself? Once you get past all the legal mumbo jumbo at the beginning of the settlement document, I found the information in the middle (section 8 & 9 for example) of the settlement quite clear and informative about Monitoring and Training. I quote: 8. Monitoring. 1. The NFB will monitor the Target.com website as follows: 1. Quarterly testing. NFB will run an automated monitoring tool called Worldspace on Target.com every quarter and will report to Target any results that reflect a deviation from the standard set forth in Section 6.1. The parties recognize that automated monitoring tools may report “false positives” that do not establish deviation from the standard set forth in Section 6.1. 2. Annual user testing. NFB will annually report to Target the results of user testing by 5 to 15 blind persons with varying skill levels and using JAWS, each attempting to complete the same tasks on at least five, but no more than ten of the transaction paths listed in Exhibit E. 3. Annual technical assessment by consultant. Jim Thatcher, or if Mr. Thatcher is unable to continue as technical consultant, another consultant proposed by NFB and approved by Target, will annually make a technical assessment of up to 40 pages on the site selected by the consultant at his or her discretion, including but not be limited to, the home landing page, browse page of a major category, search results, product detail page, add to cart page, guest sign in, guest registration, address book, payment methods, billing address, place order, and thank you page. The consultant will issue a report that includes, for each page tested, the URL, the date reviewed, and a screen shot of the page. The report will include a table following each screen shot that lists any accessibility issues that the consultant finds on the corresponding page. These issues can be problems, i.e., violations of the guidelines, or they may be things that are especially well done and worthy of note. Each issue will be keyed to the guideline or standards involved and a severity or priority will be indicated. The last column of the table will contain any suggested changes to address the issue. 4. New templates. As Target develops additional templates, it shall notify NFB. If Target timely requests that NFB test the additional template in advance of its production on Target.com, NFB will do so and report the results. Any additional templates developed during the term of this Agreement may also be the subject of quarterly and annual testing. 2. NFB shall notify Target if it identifies concerns about the accessibility of the Target.com website. Communications between NFB and Target pursuant to this provision shall take place between one individual designated by NFB and one individual designated by Target for this purpose. 3. Periodic Payments for Monitoring 1. Target shall provide periodic payments to the NFB for monitoring. NFB may use these monitoring funds to pay consultants and counsel for work related to the monitoring of the Target.com website. 2. Target shall make a first payment of fifty thousand (50,000) dollars within one (1) month of the Finality Date. Target shall make a payment of forty thousand (40,000) dollars each year thereafter, within twelve (12) months of the previous payment, through the Term of the Agreement. 9. Training. 1. Through the term of the Agreement, NFB shall provide at a location to be determined by Target periodic one-day training sessions regarding website accessibility to Target employees responsible for coding the Target.com website. Each such employee shall attend one such training session during his or her employment at Target. 2. Within sixty (60) days after each such training session, NFB shall submit to Target documentation of actual expenses incurred in the provision of this training. Target shall pay NFB the amount of documented actual expenses up to a limit of fifteen thousand (15,000) dollars per session. Regards, Phill Jenkins National Federation of the Blind and Target Agree to Class Action Settlement 8/27/2008 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Target Communications Public Relations Specialist (612) 696-3400 National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 cdanielsen@... National Federation of the Blind and Target Agree to Class Action Settlement Target Will Ensure That Web Site Remains Accessible to Guests Who Use Assistive Technologies Baltimore, Maryland (August 27, 2008): The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) and Target (NYSE: TGT) announced today that they have settled a class action lawsuit regarding access to the Target.com Web site by blind people. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "Access to Web sites is critical to the full and equal participation of blind people in all aspects of modern life. The National Federation of the Blind is pleased to have reached a settlement with Target that is good for all blind consumers, and we recognize that Target has already taken action to make certain that its Web site is accessible to everyone. We look forward to working with Target in the coming months to help make additional improvements that will enhance the experience of blind visitors to Target.com. It is our sincere hope that other businesses providing goods and services over the Internet will follow Target's example and take affirmative steps to provide full access to their Web sites by blind consumers." Bruce Sexton, Jr., a named plaintiff in the case from the beginning, added: "This settlement marks a new chapter in making Web sites accessible to the blind. I commend Target for committing to being a leader in online accessibility." Steve Eastman, president of Target.com, said: "First and foremost, Target is committed to serving all our guests. As our online business has evolved, we have made significant enhancements in order to provide an accessible shopping experience. We are pleased to have reached an agreement with the National Federation of the Blind regarding the accessibility of Target.com for individuals who use assistive technologies and will work with the NFB on further refinements to our Web site." As part of the settlement, Target will establish a $6 million fund from which members of the California settlement class can make claims. In addition, the National Federation of the Blind will certify the Target Web site through its Nonvisual Accessibility Web Certification program once agreed upon improvements are completed in early 2009. Target and NFB have agreed to a three-year relationship during which NFB will perform accessibility testing of the Target Web site. For more information about the terms of the settlement, please visit www.nfbtargetlawsuit.com. About the National Federation of the Blind - With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. About Target - Minneapolis-based Target serves guests at 1,648 stores in 47 states nationwide by delivering today's best retail trends at affordable prices. Target is committed to providing guests with great design through innovative products, in-store experiences and community partnerships. Whether visiting a Target store or shopping online at Target.com, guests enjoy a fun and convenient shopping experience with access to thousands of unique and highly differentiated items. Target (NYSE:TGT) gives more than $3 million a week to its local communities through grants and special programs. Since opening its first store in 1962, Target has partnered with nonprofit organizations, guests and team members to help meet community needs. [end] |
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Re: Target and NFB agree to Settlement
by Accessys@smart.net
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the biggest complaint I would have is that it is being built to a non standard standard. that is the NFB standard rather than something more universal like the WAI guidelines. also of course the problem is that it is being designed to work with a specific browser/screen reader rather than screen readers in general (NFB gets a substantial donation from the software makers) Bob On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Bruce Lawson wrote: > > > > > If anyone feels like posting a Summary for Humans, that I will read... > > > Here's my summary: > http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/two-cheers-for-the-target-nfb-accessility-settlement > > bruce > - end ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys@... .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named |
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Re: Making Forums Accessible
by Christophe Strobbe
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Hi Yasmin, At 21:03 25/08/2008, Yasmin Tabassum wrote: > >Hello Everybody, > >I am building a website for a Charity for Disabled People. I am >using joomla 1.5 and want to build a forum that is accessible. >Unfortunately, I am having trouble in making the forum accessible. > >I am also having trouble in preventing unregistered users from >creating blog entries. I'm coming late to this discussion, but are you aware of Joshue O Connor's book "Joomla! Accessibility"? See <http://www.packtpub.com/joomla-accessibility-websites-open-source-php-mysql/book>. Best regards, Christophe Strobbe > >Could anyone please help me and guide me on these issues? I am >grateful for any help. > >Many Thanks, >Yasmin > -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ --- Please don't invite me to LinkedIn, Facebook, Quechup or other "social networks". You may have agreed to their "privacy policy", but I haven't. Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm |
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Re: Making Forums Accessible
by Joshue O Connor-2
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Hi Yasmin, Thank you Christophe for kindly mentioning my book. Joomla is a really good CMS that has many features to recommend it but I don't know if its suitable to use for developing a forum, if this is your main requirement. You may be better off using a dedicated forum application - and I would highly recommend PunBB [1] PunBB is already accessible out of the box in terms of the forums UI and also the ability for a screen reader user to administrate the site via the backend. So a big thumbs up for it all round. You could build your site using Joomla and link to the PunBB forum from it, styling either appropriately. You may also want to look at PhpBB. [2] > I am also having trouble in preventing unregistered users from creating blog entries. This is a real problem for anyone running a forum and unfortunately there is no silver bullet AFAIK. I hope this helps and good luck with your project. Cheers Josh [1] http://punbb.informer.com/ [2] http://www.phpbb.com/ ******************************************************************** NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to delete it and any attachments from your system. NCBI endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments. Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of NCBI ******************************************************************** |
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