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by Ray Davison :: Rate this Message:

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SM 20-080718 takes about a second to scroll or delete a mail message.
SM 20-082308 takes about six seconds.  Same profile, no plugins except
the default.

082308 is the latest I found.  Is there something newer?

Ray
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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

by Peter Weilbacher :: Rate this Message:

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On 25.09.08 05:18, Ray Davison wrote:
> SM 20-080718 takes about a second to scroll or delete a mail message.
> SM 20-082308 takes about six seconds. Same profile, no plugins except
> the default.

Both 1s or 6s are way too long. I have no idea where to look for why it
increased (the timespan between the two builds is too long). But in case
you haven't "compacted" the respective folders yet, you could try that
and see if it improves things.

> 082308 is the latest I found. Is there something newer?

Now there finally is, linked from the Warpzilla page as usual.
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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

by Ray Davison :: Rate this Message:

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Peter Weilbacher wrote:
>
> Both 1s or 6s are way too long. I have no idea where to look for why
> it increased (the timespan between the two builds is too long). But
> in case you haven't "compacted" the respective folders yet, you
> could try that and see if it improves things.

There are no "respective" folders.  I have a single SM2X profile used by
all SM2X, and a
single mail tree used by all Mozilla mail products.
>
>> 082308 is the latest I found. Is there something newer?
>
> Now there finally is, linked from the Warpzilla page as usual.

I got 080927.  It appears to behave the same as 080823.  And both are
much slower than 080718.  Also, the browser home page takes longer to
load at start up.

I have no versions between 080718 and 080823.  If you can point me to
any I will try them.

Am I the only one seeing this?

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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

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On 09/28/08 05:25 pm, Ray Davison wrote:

> Peter Weilbacher wrote:
>>
>> Both 1s or 6s are way too long. I have no idea where to look for why
>> it increased (the timespan between the two builds is too long). But
>> in case you haven't "compacted" the respective folders yet, you
>> could try that and see if it improves things.
>
> There are no "respective" folders. I have a single SM2X profile used by
> all SM2X, and a
> single mail tree used by all Mozilla mail products.
>>
>>> 082308 is the latest I found. Is there something newer?
>>
>> Now there finally is, linked from the Warpzilla page as usual.
>
> I got 080927. It appears to behave the same as 080823. And both are
> much slower than 080718. Also, the browser home page takes longer to
> load at start up.
>
> I have no versions between 080718 and 080823. If you can point me to
> any I will try them.
>
> Am I the only one seeing this?
>
> Ray

The newer builds might be a hair slower here but not much different then
they always were. Takes between 1s and 2s to scroll or delete on my old
machine.
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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

by Ray Davison :: Rate this Message:

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Dave Yeo wrote:
>
> The newer builds might be a hair slower here but not much different then
> they always were. Takes between 1s and 2s to scroll or delete on my old
> machine.

Here it slowed so much after 080718 that mail is unusable as a practical
mater.  I compacted the mail files, no change.

I use the DFSee list for checking because I can be sure it is plain text.
This is my WEB machine; an AMD socket A.  Scroll time 5-6 seconds under
W4 and eCS RC4.
On a 3Mb Pentium D it is 10 seconds under W4.

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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

by Dave Yeo-3 :: Rate this Message:

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On 09/29/08 10:01 am, Ray Davison wrote:

> Dave Yeo wrote:
>>
>> The newer builds might be a hair slower here but not much different then
>> they always were. Takes between 1s and 2s to scroll or delete on my old
>> machine.
>
> Here it slowed so much after 080718 that mail is unusable as a practical
> mater. I compacted the mail files, no change.
>
> I use the DFSee list for checking because I can be sure it is plain text.
> This is my WEB machine; an AMD socket A. Scroll time 5-6 seconds under
> W4 and eCS RC4.
> On a 3Mb Pentium D it is 10 seconds under W4.
>

Definitely seems like something in your environment. What filesystem are
you using where your mail is stored?
My machine is a 800Mhz Duron, 512 MBs with the profile on a HPFS
partition. I used the MPlayer development list to check, all plain text
with about 2000 unread messages.
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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

by Felix Miata-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Ray Davison wrote:

> Am I the only one seeing this?

I sometimes see it after uptime of 3 or more days.
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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

by Ray Davison :: Rate this Message:

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Dave Yeo wrote:
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> Definitely seems like something in your environment.

I will accept that possibility.  But do understand, the environment has
been stable for several years.  The changes have been the Mozilla ZIP
files.  I have identical objects to run several versions, all using the
same data.  The difference is dramatic.

When I got the same symptom at a version break point in early Mozilla, I
got rid of the delay by removing all extra plugins.  In that case we
were able to run a utility that actually logged what was consuming the
extra time.  I have not yet done that in this case.

I am still running OS/2 products without plugins or extensions, so there
is nothing to remove.

> What filesystem are you using where your mail is stored?

Since late Netscape, everything has been on FAT32 to be compatible with
Win; apps on one partition and data on another.

My mail backup is on JFS.  I just switched the profile to use that; no
change in scroll time.

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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

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On 29.09.08 02:25, Ray Davison wrote:
> I have no versions between 080718 and 080823.  If you can point me to
> any I will try them.

Forgot about this. You can find all nightly builds that I created in the
subdirectories at
    http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/2008/07/
    http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/2008/08/
    http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/2008/09/
so there are few more... Unfortunately, the timespan between versions is
large, so don't expect too much.
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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

by Dave Yeo-3 :: Rate this Message:

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On 09/30/08 08:28 am, Ray Davison wrote:

> Dave Yeo wrote:
>>
>> Definitely seems like something in your environment.
>
> I will accept that possibility. But do understand, the environment has
> been stable for several years. The changes have been the Mozilla ZIP
> files. I have identical objects to run several versions, all using the
> same data. The difference is dramatic.
>
> When I got the same symptom at a version break point in early Mozilla, I
> got rid of the delay by removing all extra plugins. In that case we were
> able to run a utility that actually logged what was consuming the extra
> time. I have not yet done that in this case.
>
> I am still running OS/2 products without plugins or extensions, so there
> is nothing to remove.
>
>> What filesystem are you using where your mail is stored?
>
> Since late Netscape, everything has been on FAT32 to be compatible with
> Win; apps on one partition and data on another.
>
> My mail backup is on JFS. I just switched the profile to use that; no
> change in scroll time.
>

Well that is one idea shot :) I had a disk failure and I did have
symptoms like you describe as the disk failed. In my case a new drive
fixed it.
I also used to get the long delays like you describe now that I think of
it. Here it was related to how many newsgroups I was subscribed to. You
might want to unsubscribe some groups to see if it makes any difference
Dave

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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

by Ray Davison :: Rate this Message:

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Peter Weilbacher wrote:

> so there are few more... Unfortunately, the timespan between versions is
> large, so don't expect too much.

23 July is OK.  6 Aug and subs are slow.

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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

by Ray Davison :: Rate this Message:

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Ray Davison wrote:
> Peter Weilbacher wrote:
>
>> so there are few more... Unfortunately, the timespan between versions is
>> large, so don't expect too much.
>
> 23 July is OK. 6 Aug and subs are slow.
>
> Ray
>
This is SM a1.  Still too slow to be usable.  So, am I now done with OS/2?

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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

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Ray Davison wrote:

> Ray Davison wrote:
>> Peter Weilbacher wrote:
>>
>>> so there are few more... Unfortunately, the timespan between versions is
>>> large, so don't expect too much.
>>
>> 23 July is OK. 6 Aug and subs are slow.
>>
>> Ray
>>
> This is SM a1. Still too slow to be usable. So, am I now done with OS/2?
>
> Ray
>
Make sure that ft2lib is not being used... it is not needed for
Seamonkey 2.0 anyhow.
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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:09:06 UTC, Ray Davison wrote:

> Ray Davison wrote:
> > 23 July is OK. 6 Aug and subs are slow.

That's what I feared. The problem is that the code is wildly different,
because in that timeframe SeaMonkey switched from Gecko 1.9.0 to Gecko
1.9.1 code. I don't see an easy way to track down. The only way would be
to create dozens of builds using a mixture of 1.9.0 and 1.9.1 until the
timeframe was narrowed to one code change. I don't have time for that.

> This is SM a1.  Still too slow to be usable.

Don't expect that to change until you have seen a comment that tells you
so.

> So, am I now done with OS/2?

Your choice...
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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

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Andy Willis wrote:
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> Make sure that ft2lib is not being used... it is not needed for
> Seamonkey 2.0 anyhow.

I do not find a file ft2lib*.* anywhere.  Is that all I am looking for?

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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

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Peter Weilbacher wrote:

>> This is SM a1.  Still too slow to be usable.
>
> Don't expect that to change until you have seen a comment that tells you
> so.

Does that mean you concur that there is a problem?

Are all OSs using the same source?

Does creating the working file set involve more than compiling the source?

Are you the only one working on SM for OS/2?

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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

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On 10/14/2008 1:09 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

>> Make sure that ft2lib is not being used... it is not needed for
>> Seamonkey 2.0 anyhow.
>
> I do not find a file ft2lib*.* anywhere.  Is that all I am looking for?

You may be more familiar with the name "Innotek Font Engine" - Andy is
suggesting that you remove the seamonkey.exe key (assuming you added one
for using it with Seamonkey 1.x).
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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

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On 10/14/2008 1:14 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

>> Don't expect that to change until you have seen a comment that tells you
>> so.
>
> Does that mean you concur that there is a problem?

I think he believes you when you say that *you* see a problem.  That
doesn't necessarily mean he can reproduce it, investigate the cause, or
fix it.  You might want to look through Bugzilla to see if you can find
any related bug reports.  If you can't, file one.

> Are all OSs using the same source?

For the most part.  Each one has to have some of its own.

> Does creating the working file set involve more than compiling the source?

Huh?  Not sure what you are asking...

> Are you the only one working on SM for OS/2?

Peter has been the primary contributor for some time now, but others
have provided help.
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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

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Steve Wendt wrote:

> You may be more familiar with the name "Innotek Font Engine" - Andy is
> suggesting that you remove the seamonkey.exe key (assuming you added one
> for using it with Seamonkey 1.x).

It is not something I ever felt a need for, and I have tried to not
clutter Mozilla products, but who knows where something might have
landed.  So, I have SM 23 Aug 08, no add-ons, and a fresh profile, and
the delay is still there.  What does that all prove if anything?

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Re: Mail scroll/delete delay

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On 10/14/08 03:32 pm, Ray Davison wrote:

> Steve Wendt wrote:
>
>> You may be more familiar with the name "Innotek Font Engine" - Andy is
>> suggesting that you remove the seamonkey.exe key (assuming you added
>> one for using it with Seamonkey 1.x).
>
> It is not something I ever felt a need for, and I have tried to not
> clutter Mozilla products, but who knows where something might have
> landed. So, I have SM 23 Aug 08, no add-ons, and a fresh profile, and
> the delay is still there. What does that all prove if anything?
>
> Ray
>

How many news groups are you subscribed to?
To see if you have the InnoTekFontEngine installed use regedit2 to
search for InnoTek in the registry and if found remove the key labeled
Seamonkey.exe
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