Mail marketing with James Mailet - sending Millions mails

[Bruno Pedrosa]

Hello,

I need to do an application that send millions of e-mails in the same day.
Is there anything in James to help me with this? I was thinking in develop
an application that run some threads and send about 200 e-mails por second
but I am kinda lost. Maybe I dont need to do that, there is some another
application that I can use.

Could someone help me?

Thanks :-)

[Stefano Bagnara-2]

Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:

> Hello,
>
> I need to do an application that send millions of e-mails in the same day.
> Is there anything in James to help me with this? I was thinking in develop
> an application that run some threads and send about 200 e-mails por second
> but I am kinda lost. Maybe I dont need to do that, there is some another
> application that I can use.
>
> Could someone help me?
>
> Thanks :-)

Of course this not only depend on JAMES Server but also on the hardware
you use.
On a very small machine I am able to send 1 million mail per day, but
this required changes to the code.
Out of the box I was stuck to near 300000 mail per day.

I think 200 email per second is really out of scope for JAMES, ATM, but
again it depends on hardware and what exactly you want to do (what kind
of messages, what kind of tracking, what reliability you need... ).

Stefano

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[Bruno Pedrosa]

Hi Stefano, I really appreciate your answer. What I will do is send about 20
e-mails per second to each domain, for instants, 20 emails to @aol.com, at
same time 20 e-mails to @gmail.com. Do u have any code that can help me? Or
a suggestion like an application that do that like a good smtp server ? Do u
know if James could help me developing this ?

Thank u very much.

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@...> wrote:

> Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:
>
> Hello,
>>
>> I need to do an application that send millions of e-mails in the same day.
>> Is there anything in James to help me with this? I was thinking in develop
>> an application that run some threads and send about 200 e-mails por second
>> but I am kinda lost. Maybe I dont need to do that, there is some another
>> application that I can use.
>>
>> Could someone help me?
>>
>> Thanks :-)
>>
>
> Of course this not only depend on JAMES Server but also on the hardware you
> use.
> On a very small machine I am able to send 1 million mail per day, but this
> required changes to the code.
> Out of the box I was stuck to near 300000 mail per day.
>
> I think 200 email per second is really out of scope for JAMES, ATM, but
> again it depends on hardware and what exactly you want to do (what kind of
> messages, what kind of tracking, what reliability you need... ).
>
> Stefano
>
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[Stefano Bagnara-2]

Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:
> Hi Stefano, I really appreciate your answer. What I will do is send about 20
> e-mails per second to each domain, for instants, 20 emails to @aol.com, at
> same time 20 e-mails to @gmail.com. Do u have any code that can help me? Or
> a suggestion like an application that do that like a good smtp server ? Do u
> know if James could help me developing this ?
>
> Thank u very much.

Do you need to send different emails (mail merging) or identical emails?
In the latter case you will need around 1/5th of connections (tweaking
how many recipients for each mail for each domain you want to use).

That said there is a lot of james code you could reuse, but again this
depends on what exactly you have to do, if you have to track
bounces/delivery, how important is reliability and so on...

Stefano

> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@...> wrote:
>
>> Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:
>>
>> Hello,
>>> I need to do an application that send millions of e-mails in the same day.
>>> Is there anything in James to help me with this? I was thinking in develop
>>> an application that run some threads and send about 200 e-mails por second
>>> but I am kinda lost. Maybe I dont need to do that, there is some another
>>> application that I can use.
>>>
>>> Could someone help me?
>>>
>>> Thanks :-)
>>>
>> Of course this not only depend on JAMES Server but also on the hardware you
>> use.
>> On a very small machine I am able to send 1 million mail per day, but this
>> required changes to the code.
>> Out of the box I was stuck to near 300000 mail per day.
>>
>> I think 200 email per second is really out of scope for JAMES, ATM, but
>> again it depends on hardware and what exactly you want to do (what kind of
>> messages, what kind of tracking, what reliability you need... ).
>>
>> Stefano
>>
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[Bruno Pedrosa]

Yes, is identical e-mails, and I need to track bounces/delivery too(it's
very important). What I need is some API or code that help me sending this
same e-mails, for many users with a good perforamance. Or, if there isnt
anything in james like that, some idea for develop this.

Do you know any examples?

Thanks in advance.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@...> wrote:

> Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Stefano, I really appreciate your answer. What I will do is send about
>> 20
>> e-mails per second to each domain, for instants, 20 emails to @aol.com,
>> at
>> same time 20 e-mails to @gmail.com. Do u have any code that can help me?
>> Or
>> a suggestion like an application that do that like a good smtp server ? Do
>> u
>> know if James could help me developing this ?
>>
>> Thank u very much.
>>
>
> Do you need to send different emails (mail merging) or identical emails?
> In the latter case you will need around 1/5th of connections (tweaking how
> many recipients for each mail for each domain you want to use).
>
> That said there is a lot of james code you could reuse, but again this
> depends on what exactly you have to do, if you have to track
> bounces/delivery, how important is reliability and so on...
>
> Stefano
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@...> wrote:
>>
>> Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>> I need to do an application that send millions of e-mails in the same
>>>> day.
>>>> Is there anything in James to help me with this? I was thinking in
>>>> develop
>>>> an application that run some threads and send about 200 e-mails por
>>>> second
>>>> but I am kinda lost. Maybe I dont need to do that, there is some another
>>>> application that I can use.
>>>>
>>>> Could someone help me?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks :-)
>>>>
>>>> Of course this not only depend on JAMES Server but also on the hardware
>>> you
>>> use.
>>> On a very small machine I am able to send 1 million mail per day, but
>>> this
>>> required changes to the code.
>>> Out of the box I was stuck to near 300000 mail per day.
>>>
>>> I think 200 email per second is really out of scope for JAMES, ATM, but
>>> again it depends on hardware and what exactly you want to do (what kind
>>> of
>>> messages, what kind of tracking, what reliability you need... ).
>>>
>>> Stefano
>>>
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>>>
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[Stefano Bagnara-2]

Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:
> Yes, is identical e-mails, and I need to track bounces/delivery too(it's
> very important). What I need is some API or code that help me sending this
> same e-mails, for many users with a good perforamance. Or, if there isnt
> anything in james like that, some idea for develop this.
>
> Do you know any examples?

I think JAMES RemoteDelivery is not the right solution to your issue.
You would need a lot of machines (or a powerfull machine with many JVM)
to do that throughput.

You may want to write your own delivery application, but this is not an
easy issue.

I often planned to write a delivery application from scratch but never
had the time to really do it.

I even started a prototype smtp client in MINA (seda based network
framework).

If you are not in hurry and you are interested in collaborating in an
opensource effort then please let us know. JAMES project could be happy
to host a similar tool, and some of our developers could be happy to
collaborate to this.

Stefano

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[david.moss]

Why do you need an entire SMTP server system to send spam?
It is far more efficient to write a program that simply does the required
handshaking and then streams a text file directly to the SMTP port of the
target.

public class mailtest {
   
    /** Test the MailModule */
    public mailtest() {
    }

    public static void main(String[] args) {
        // TODO code application logic here
       
        try {
            MailModule mailer = new MailModule("smtp.victim.com");
            mailer.sendmsg(
            "sender@...",
            "target@...",
            "test thing",
            "This is a test");
        }
       
        catch (IOException e){
            System.out.println("IoException");
                /* do other stuff with error information as needed */
        }    
    }

Of course all the hard stuff is done in MailModule.java.
It would be antisocial to divulge what goes on in there to someone
interested in spamming the world ;-)

I build this routine into my applications as a kind of automated "phone home
for help" system. It works well. A less ethical person would wrap the code
in a routine that creates as many mailer objects as will fit in memory and
keeps them pumping 24/7.

   
David Moss


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruno Pedrosa [mailto:bpedrosa@...]
Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:47 AM
To: James Users List
Subject: Re: Mail marketing with James Mailet - sending Millions mails

Yes, is identical e-mails, and I need to track bounces/delivery too(it's
very important). What I need is some API or code that help me sending this
same e-mails, for many users with a good perforamance. Or, if there isnt
anything in james like that, some idea for develop this.

Do you know any examples?

Thanks in advance.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@...> wrote:

> Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Stefano, I really appreciate your answer. What I will do is send about
>> 20
>> e-mails per second to each domain, for instants, 20 emails to @aol.com,
>> at
>> same time 20 e-mails to @gmail.com. Do u have any code that can help me?
>> Or
>> a suggestion like an application that do that like a good smtp server ?
Do

>> u
>> know if James could help me developing this ?
>>
>> Thank u very much.
>>
>
> Do you need to send different emails (mail merging) or identical emails?
> In the latter case you will need around 1/5th of connections (tweaking how
> many recipients for each mail for each domain you want to use).
>
> That said there is a lot of james code you could reuse, but again this
> depends on what exactly you have to do, if you have to track
> bounces/delivery, how important is reliability and so on...
>
> Stefano
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@...> wrote:
>>
>> Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>> I need to do an application that send millions of e-mails in the same
>>>> day.
>>>> Is there anything in James to help me with this? I was thinking in
>>>> develop
>>>> an application that run some threads and send about 200 e-mails por
>>>> second
>>>> but I am kinda lost. Maybe I dont need to do that, there is some

another

>>>> application that I can use.
>>>>
>>>> Could someone help me?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks :-)
>>>>
>>>> Of course this not only depend on JAMES Server but also on the hardware
>>> you
>>> use.
>>> On a very small machine I am able to send 1 million mail per day, but
>>> this
>>> required changes to the code.
>>> Out of the box I was stuck to near 300000 mail per day.
>>>
>>> I think 200 email per second is really out of scope for JAMES, ATM, but
>>> again it depends on hardware and what exactly you want to do (what kind
>>> of
>>> messages, what kind of tracking, what reliability you need... ).
>>>
>>> Stefano
>>>
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[Bruno Pedrosa]

Hi David, It isn't for spamming the world. lol
We have some clientes like stores and restaurants that want to send e-mails
with news and promotion for their subscribed clients. All e-mails are
legitms and can be unsubscribed at any time. Its a software like GraphicMail
(www.graphicmail.com).

I am a developer like you, I love internet and hate spam. If u feel
confortable sharing your experience I will be very glad. Otherwise thanks
anyway.
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:59 PM, david.moss <david.moss@...>
wrote:

> Why do you need an entire SMTP server system to send spam?
> It is far more efficient to write a program that simply does the required
> handshaking and then streams a text file directly to the SMTP port of the
> target.
>
> public class mailtest {
>
>    /** Test the MailModule */
>    public mailtest() {
>    }
>
>    public static void main(String[] args) {
>        // TODO code application logic here
>
>        try {
>            MailModule mailer = new MailModule("smtp.victim.com");
>            mailer.sendmsg(
>            "sender@...",
>            "target@...",
>            "test thing",
>            "This is a test");
>        }
>
>        catch (IOException e){
>            System.out.println("IoException");
>                /* do other stuff with error information as needed */
>        }
>    }
>
> Of course all the hard stuff is done in MailModule.java.
> It would be antisocial to divulge what goes on in there to someone
> interested in spamming the world ;-)
>
> I build this routine into my applications as a kind of automated "phone
> home
> for help" system. It works well. A less ethical person would wrap the code
> in a routine that creates as many mailer objects as will fit in memory and
> keeps them pumping 24/7.
>
>
> David Moss
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruno Pedrosa [mailto:bpedrosa@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:47 AM
> To: James Users List
> Subject: Re: Mail marketing with James Mailet - sending Millions mails
>
> Yes, is identical e-mails, and I need to track bounces/delivery too(it's
> very important). What I need is some API or code that help me sending this
> same e-mails, for many users with a good perforamance. Or, if there isnt
> anything in james like that, some idea for develop this.
>
> Do you know any examples?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@...> wrote:
>
> > Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:
> >
> >> Hi Stefano, I really appreciate your answer. What I will do is send
> about
> >> 20
> >> e-mails per second to each domain, for instants, 20 emails to @aol.com,
> >> at
> >> same time 20 e-mails to @gmail.com. Do u have any code that can help
> me?
> >> Or
> >> a suggestion like an application that do that like a good smtp server ?
> Do
> >> u
> >> know if James could help me developing this ?
> >>
> >> Thank u very much.
> >>
> >
> > Do you need to send different emails (mail merging) or identical emails?
> > In the latter case you will need around 1/5th of connections (tweaking
> how
> > many recipients for each mail for each domain you want to use).
> >
> > That said there is a lot of james code you could reuse, but again this
> > depends on what exactly you have to do, if you have to track
> > bounces/delivery, how important is reliability and so on...
> >
> > Stefano
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Bruno Pedrosa ha scritto:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>>> I need to do an application that send millions of e-mails in the same
> >>>> day.
> >>>> Is there anything in James to help me with this? I was thinking in
> >>>> develop
> >>>> an application that run some threads and send about 200 e-mails por
> >>>> second
> >>>> but I am kinda lost. Maybe I dont need to do that, there is some
> another
> >>>> application that I can use.
> >>>>
> >>>> Could someone help me?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course this not only depend on JAMES Server but also on the
> hardware
> >>> you
> >>> use.
> >>> On a very small machine I am able to send 1 million mail per day, but
> >>> this
> >>> required changes to the code.
> >>> Out of the box I was stuck to near 300000 mail per day.
> >>>
> >>> I think 200 email per second is really out of scope for JAMES, ATM, but
> >>> again it depends on hardware and what exactly you want to do (what kind
> >>> of
> >>> messages, what kind of tracking, what reliability you need... ).
> >>>
> >>> Stefano
> >>>
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[Josip Almasi]

Bruno Pedrosa wrote:
> Hi David, It isn't for spamming the world. lol
> We have some clientes like stores and restaurants that want to send e-mails
> with news and promotion for their subscribed clients. All e-mails are
> legitms and can be unsubscribed at any time.

Well now that you say that...;)
Seems you need usual mailing lists.
James handles that, though I didn't use it yet.
So have a look at james-listmanager.xml and try playing with testlist.

But your performance requirement seems unrealistic. Seems like someone
took that requirement from sms/mms delivery sofware:) Mail delivery
includes name resolution, you know, that DNS MX thing... say, I just
resolved your address and it took 1.043 secs first time and 0.016 secs
after it was cached.

HTH

Regards...

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