MSP430F2132

[Peter Grey]

I have just started working with this micro. I had  2 new FETUSB
interfaces and a target board (with 28 pin socket) delivered last
week. I cannot get them to work. When I click on debug I get a
message that I either have a corrupt .d43 file or it is an
unsupported format. I have a target board with power applied and 5
program wires as well as power and ground. I have checked for
continuity and also shorts and all is ok. I even got micro and
connected it direct to the wires but the results was the same. I
tried different FET interfaces and also another PC but am stuck with
the same problem. I put a MSP430F1132 in the socket and that was ok.
Is there something odd about programming this type of micro? The
length of ten wires I am using is about 6-8 inches. I have not seen
this problem with other micros in the F1xx series. I am using the
latest version of IAR (5.11)

Thanks


Peter  

[Onestone-2]

This is something I bitched about a few weeks ago. It seems that the
latest kickstart versions response to just about any fault at download
time (since about slaq050L) is this reporting of a corrupt d43 file.
this is ridiculously misleading since the file is actually good in every
case I encountered. I met this problem with both the 2 wire debug mode
and the JTAG debug mode. Some of the things that caused it were:-

Forgetting to apply power
A power related fault on the PCB (assembler put diode arse about face)
A dead debug interface
a dead USBFET
a power mismatch on the JTAG interface (3.6V on PCB)
not restarting IAR after any of the above
IAR corrupted after such an event

What didin't cause it included

specifying the wrong micro, it handles that fine on download unless the
memory ranges are too badly mismatched, but it reports a differet error

A bad d43 file. i never found one after wasting several days trying to
analyse why it was bad in an attempt to track the error when the FET
itself was dead.

The MSP430f2132. this worked fine for me.

Sorry i can't tell you exactly what might be causing this, it is an
illogical error message that seems to be a catch all, and is so
misleading I wasted days because of it.

It was so bad I even spent a while looking at converting to CCE for the
assembler, but that route was even worse, so many differences, and
'strange' ways of doing things compared to the bulk of assemblers I've
used over the years that I decided to stay with the evil I know for now.

Cheers

Al

Peter Grey wrote:

>I have just started working with this micro. I had  2 new FETUSB
>interfaces and a target board (with 28 pin socket) delivered last
>week. I cannot get them to work. When I click on debug I get a
>message that I either have a corrupt .d43 file or it is an
>unsupported format. I have a target board with power applied and 5
>program wires as well as power and ground. I have checked for
>continuity and also shorts and all is ok. I even got micro and
>connected it direct to the wires but the results was the same. I
>tried different FET interfaces and also another PC but am stuck with
>the same problem. I put a MSP430F1132 in the socket and that was ok.
>Is there something odd about programming this type of micro? The
>length of ten wires I am using is about 6-8 inches. I have not seen
>this problem with other micros in the F1xx series. I am using the
>latest version of IAR (5.11)
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Peter  
>
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[Peter Grey]

At 07:13 PM 13/07/2008, you wrote:

Al,

I decided to check TI for the latest  Kickstart. I downloaded Ver
5.12 and got rid of the other (Ver 5.11). I then got the error
message "device not found or disconnected." This was reasonably
repeatable. I have a FET430UIF, FET430S28 target board with SOIC
socket and headers around the socket so I can connect my own target
board. I have Pins 1, 2, 4, 7, 25, 26, 27, 28 connected. To check on
the basis FET board I put in a F1232 into the socket and it
programmed ok. I then put the same F1232 onto wires and tried to
program it from the pin headers. This did not work but I found that I
had missed the RST line. When this was fixed the F1232 programmed
both from the socket and the pin headers. I have external power
(3.3V) connected to the S28 board and R8 has been removed and R9
inserted for external power. I then tried it on my target board and
got the message "device not found....". Unfortunately I only have a
TSSOP F2132 (SOIC not available) so I cannot put it in the socket and
test that. I have tried about 6 different micro's and I get the same
result. I am beginning to suspect the batch. I will check and see if
anything has been reported. I must admit that I am getting fed up
with this IAR stuff even if it is free!.

Thanks

Peter

>This is something I bitched about a few weeks ago. It seems that the
>latest kickstart versions response to just about any fault at download
>time (since about slaq050L) is this reporting of a corrupt d43 file.
>this is ridiculously misleading since the file is actually good in every
>case I encountered. I met this problem with both the 2 wire debug mode
>and the JTAG debug mode. Some of the things that caused it were:-
>
>Forgetting to apply power
>A power related fault on the PCB (assembler put diode arse about face)
>A dead debug interface
>a dead USBFET
>a power mismatch on the JTAG interface (3.6V on PCB)
>not restarting IAR after any of the above
>IAR corrupted after such an event
>
>What didin't cause it included
>
>specifying the wrong micro, it handles that fine on download unless the
>memory ranges are too badly mismatched, but it reports a differet error
>
>A bad d43 file. i never found one after wasting several days trying to
>analyse why it was bad in an attempt to track the error when the FET
>itself was dead.
>
>The MSP430f2132. this worked fine for me.
>
>Sorry i can't tell you exactly what might be causing this, it is an
>illogical error message that seems to be a catch all, and is so
>misleading I wasted days because of it.
>
>It was so bad I even spent a while looking at converting to CCE for the
>assembler, but that route was even worse, so many differences, and
>'strange' ways of doing things compared to the bulk of assemblers I've
>used over the years that I decided to stay with the evil I know for now.
>
>Cheers
>
>Al
>
>Peter Grey wrote:
>
> >I have just started working with this micro. I had  2 new FETUSB
> >interfaces and a target board (with 28 pin socket) delivered last
> >week. I cannot get them to work. When I click on debug I get a
> >message that I either have a corrupt .d43 file or it is an
> >unsupported format. I have a target board with power applied and 5
> >program wires as well as power and ground. I have checked for
> >continuity and also shorts and all is ok. I even got micro and
> >connected it direct to the wires but the results was the same. I
> >tried different FET interfaces and also another PC but am stuck with
> >the same problem. I put a MSP430F1132 in the socket and that was ok.
> >Is there something odd about programming this type of micro? The
> >length of ten wires I am using is about 6-8 inches. I have not seen
> >this problem with other micros in the F1xx series. I am using the
> >latest version of IAR (5.11)
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
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[leon_heller]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Grey" <martech@...>
To: <msp430@...>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [msp430] MSP430F2132

> At 07:13 PM 13/07/2008, you wrote:
>
> Al,
>
> I decided to check TI for the latest  Kickstart. I downloaded Ver
> 5.12 and got rid of the other (Ver 5.11). I then got the error
> message "device not found or disconnected." This was reasonably
> repeatable. I have a FET430UIF, FET430S28 target board with SOIC
> socket and headers around the socket so I can connect my own target
> board. I have Pins 1, 2, 4, 7, 25, 26, 27, 28 connected. To check on
> the basis FET board I put in a F1232 into the socket and it
> programmed ok. I then put the same F1232 onto wires and tried to
> program it from the pin headers. This did not work but I found that I
> had missed the RST line. When this was fixed the F1232 programmed
> both from the socket and the pin headers. I have external power
> (3.3V) connected to the S28 board and R8 has been removed and R9
> inserted for external power. I then tried it on my target board and
> got the message "device not found....". Unfortunately I only have a
> TSSOP F2132 (SOIC not available) so I cannot put it in the socket and
> test that. I have tried about 6 different micro's and I get the same
> result. I am beginning to suspect the batch. I will check and see if
> anything has been reported. I must admit that I am getting fed up
> with this IAR stuff even if it is free!.

Anders Lindgren, who works for IAR, lurks on this forum. Perhaps he will
have something to say about it.

Leon
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Amateur radio call-sign G1HSM
Yaesu FT-817ND and FT-857D transceivers
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[Peter Grey]

At 04:50 PM 14/07/2008, you wrote:

Leon,

I would appreciate some feedback from Anders. I have used emulators
for 8051 and all the PIC chips and never had the problems I have with
this one. The problem I find is that there is nothing consistent. The
error messages are all over the place and provide no assistance in
solving a problem. It seems to be getting worse. Rather than just fix
the problem and try again you often have to shut down the FET and the
PC as well. I found with the other systems that if it did not work
then the chip was U/S or the power not plugged in, each simple to fix
and carry on.


Thanks


Peter

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Grey" <martech@...>
>To: <msp430@...>
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 7:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [msp430] MSP430F2132
>
>
> > At 07:13 PM 13/07/2008, you wrote:
> >
> > Al,
> >
> > I decided to check TI for the latest  Kickstart. I downloaded Ver
> > 5.12 and got rid of the other (Ver 5.11). I then got the error
> > message "device not found or disconnected." This was reasonably
> > repeatable. I have a FET430UIF, FET430S28 target board with SOIC
> > socket and headers around the socket so I can connect my own target
> > board. I have Pins 1, 2, 4, 7, 25, 26, 27, 28 connected. To check on
> > the basis FET board I put in a F1232 into the socket and it
> > programmed ok. I then put the same F1232 onto wires and tried to
> > program it from the pin headers. This did not work but I found that I
> > had missed the RST line. When this was fixed the F1232 programmed
> > both from the socket and the pin headers. I have external power
> > (3.3V) connected to the S28 board and R8 has been removed and R9
> > inserted for external power. I then tried it on my target board and
> > got the message "device not found....". Unfortunately I only have a
> > TSSOP F2132 (SOIC not available) so I cannot put it in the socket and
> > test that. I have tried about 6 different micro's and I get the same
> > result. I am beginning to suspect the batch. I will check and see if
> > anything has been reported. I must admit that I am getting fed up
> > with this IAR stuff even if it is free!.
>
>Anders Lindgren, who works for IAR, lurks on this forum. Perhaps he will
>have something to say about it.
>
>Leon
>--
>Leon Heller
>Amateur radio call-sign G1HSM
>Yaesu FT-817ND and FT-857D transceivers
>Suzuki SV1000S motorcycle
>leon355@...
>http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller
>
>
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[leon_heller]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Grey" <martech@...>
To: <msp430@...>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [msp430] MSP430F2132

> At 04:50 PM 14/07/2008, you wrote:
>
> Leon,
>
> I would appreciate some feedback from Anders. I have used emulators
> for 8051 and all the PIC chips and never had the problems I have with
> this one. The problem I find is that there is nothing consistent. The
> error messages are all over the place and provide no assistance in
> solving a problem. It seems to be getting worse. Rather than just fix
> the problem and try again you often have to shut down the FET and the
> PC as well. I found with the other systems that if it did not work
> then the chip was U/S or the power not plugged in, each simple to fix
> and carry on.

I'd be inclined to ask IAR support about it. The problem presumably affects
the paid-for software as well.

Leon