Latest updates break graphic start of Fedora

[antonio montagnani-2]

I updated Fedora 9 short ago (my system is fully upand when I
re-booted I get the complete graphical procedure and then  a blank
screen!!!!
I re-booted in runlevel 3 and I issued a startx and everything went fine.
What is wrong????
I am uing intel graphic driver, with iwl3945 wireless adapter.
Furtehrmore, after a while the system freezes.
What is going on????

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[antonio montagnani-2]

2008/7/3 Antonio M <antonio.montagnani@...>:

> I updated Fedora 9 short ago (my system is fully upand when I
> re-booted I get the complete graphical procedure and then  a blank
> screen!!!!
> I re-booted in runlevel 3 and I issued a startx and everything went fine.
> What is wrong????
> I am uing intel graphic driver, with iwl3945 wireless adapter.
> Furtehrmore, after a while the system freezes.
> What is going on????
>
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I apologize for so much mistyping :-)
Anyway I re-booted in runlevel 3 and with kernel 2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686
and so far I have not experienced any freezing (I will check again but
I think that system froze after Firefox start-up)
For the blank screen issue, what is the component to be filed against?
Bad news as system froze anyway during firefox use.
I guess that all issues are strictly connected.

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[Mike Burger]

> 2008/7/3 Antonio M <antonio.montagnani@...>:
>> I updated Fedora 9 short ago (my system is fully upand when I
>> re-booted I get the complete graphical procedure and then  a blank
>> screen!!!!
>> I re-booted in runlevel 3 and I issued a startx and everything went
>> fine.
>> What is wrong????
>> I am uing intel graphic driver, with iwl3945 wireless adapter.
>> Furtehrmore, after a while the system freezes.
>> What is going on????
>>
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>>
>
> I apologize for so much mistyping :-)
> Anyway I re-booted in runlevel 3 and with kernel 2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686
> and so far I have not experienced any freezing (I will check again but
> I think that system froze after Firefox start-up)
> For the blank screen issue, what is the component to be filed against?
> Bad news as system froze anyway during firefox use.
> I guess that all issues are strictly connected.

With regard to the "blank screen"...I'm assuming that is happening after
the graphical boot sequence...the one that shows all the various service
starting, etc.

I'm running into the same issue, using an Nvidia card.

It's not an indication that the system is frozen...it's that the system
switched to TTY7, which is where the graphical environment is supposed to
start.

Instead, all I do is press ALT-F1 to get to the first console terminal,
log in, run "sudo init 3" to bring the system to runlevel 3 (text only
mode), then "sudo init 5 ; exit" to bring the system back to runlevel 5
(graphical mode) and then exit that particular shell.

The system then comes up with the login for the GUI desktop.

I do wonder if it has to do with the desktop environment selected.  I run
KDE (don't have Gnome installed)...which desktop environment are you
using?

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[antonio montagnani-2]

2008/7/3 Mike Burger <mburger@...>:

>
>> 2008/7/3 Antonio M <antonio.montagnani@...>:
>>> I updated Fedora 9 short ago (my system is fully upand when I
>>> re-booted I get the complete graphical procedure and then  a blank
>>> screen!!!!
>>> I re-booted in runlevel 3 and I issued a startx and everything went
>>> fine.
>>> What is wrong????
>>> I am uing intel graphic driver, with iwl3945 wireless adapter.
>>> Furtehrmore, after a while the system freezes.
>>> What is going on????
>>>
>>> --
>>> Antonio Montagnani
>>> Skype : antoniomontag
>>>
>>
>> I apologize for so much mistyping :-)
>> Anyway I re-booted in runlevel 3 and with kernel 2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686
>> and so far I have not experienced any freezing (I will check again but
>> I think that system froze after Firefox start-up)
>> For the blank screen issue, what is the component to be filed against?
>> Bad news as system froze anyway during firefox use.
>> I guess that all issues are strictly connected.
>
> With regard to the "blank screen"...I'm assuming that is happening after
> the graphical boot sequence...the one that shows all the various service
> starting, etc.
>
> I'm running into the same issue, using an Nvidia card.
>
> It's not an indication that the system is frozen...it's that the system
> switched to TTY7, which is where the graphical environment is supposed to
> start.
>
> Instead, all I do is press ALT-F1 to get to the first console terminal,
> log in, run "sudo init 3" to bring the system to runlevel 3 (text only
> mode), then "sudo init 5 ; exit" to bring the system back to runlevel 5
> (graphical mode) and then exit that particular shell.
>
> The system then comes up with the login for the GUI desktop.
>
> I do wonder if it has to do with the desktop environment selected.  I run
> KDE (don't have Gnome installed)...which desktop environment are you
> using?
>
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Gnome with intel driver.I logged in runlevel 3 and the I issued a
startx: system freezes after a while, and immediately if i try to
disable wireless card in Network Manager.
Note that is a laptop, now i am running it on F10.....but I have
different issues.

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[antonio montagnani-2]

2008/7/3 Mike Burger <mburger@...>:

>
>> 2008/7/3 Antonio M <antonio.montagnani@...>:
>>> I updated Fedora 9 short ago (my system is fully upand when I
>>> re-booted I get the complete graphical procedure and then  a blank
>>> screen!!!!
>>> I re-booted in runlevel 3 and I issued a startx and everything went
>>> fine.
>>> What is wrong????
>>> I am uing intel graphic driver, with iwl3945 wireless adapter.
>>> Furtehrmore, after a while the system freezes.
>>> What is going on????
>>>
>>> --
>>> Antonio Montagnani
>>> Skype : antoniomontag
>>>
>>
>> I apologize for so much mistyping :-)
>> Anyway I re-booted in runlevel 3 and with kernel 2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686
>> and so far I have not experienced any freezing (I will check again but
>> I think that system froze after Firefox start-up)
>> For the blank screen issue, what is the component to be filed against?
>> Bad news as system froze anyway during firefox use.
>> I guess that all issues are strictly connected.
>
> With regard to the "blank screen"...I'm assuming that is happening after
> the graphical boot sequence...the one that shows all the various service
> starting, etc.
>
> I'm running into the same issue, using an Nvidia card.
>
> It's not an indication that the system is frozen...it's that the system
> switched to TTY7, which is where the graphical environment is supposed to
> start.
>
> Instead, all I do is press ALT-F1 to get to the first console terminal,
> log in, run "sudo init 3" to bring the system to runlevel 3 (text only
> mode), then "sudo init 5 ; exit" to bring the system back to runlevel 5
> (graphical mode) and then exit that particular shell.
>
> The system then comes up with the login for the GUI desktop.
>
> I do wonder if it has to do with the desktop environment selected.  I run
> KDE (don't have Gnome installed)...which desktop environment are you
> using?
>
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Mike
Alt-F1 is not working on my system!!! so our problems are not
completely similar.


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[Brian Mury-2]

On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:38 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
> Alt-F1 is not working on my system!!! so our problems are not
> completely similar.

That should be Ctrl-Alt-F1.


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[antonio montagnani-2]

2008/7/3 Brian Mury <brianmury@...>:

> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:38 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
>> Alt-F1 is not working on my system!!! so our problems are not
>> completely similar.
>
> That should be Ctrl-Alt-F1.
>
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well

I installed a kernel from F10, and everything is o.k., at leat graphic
login is working again, and I can connect to my wireless network using
my iwl3945.
I have seen a post by Linville but I cannot find it!!!!


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[antonio montagnani-2]

2008/7/3 Antonio M <antonio.montagnani@...>:

> 2008/7/3 Brian Mury <brianmury@...>:
>> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:38 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
>>> Alt-F1 is not working on my system!!! so our problems are not
>>> completely similar.
>>
>> That should be Ctrl-Alt-F1.
>>
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> well
>
> I installed a kernel from F10, and everything is o.k., at leat graphic
> login is working again, and I can connect to my wireless network using
> my iwl3945.
> I have seen a post by Linville but I cannot find it!!!!
>
>
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Anyway I filed a bug against kernel, even if I am not sure that it
completely kernel related...
Bugzilla Bug 454055: Latest updates prevent graphic login

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[Mike Burger]

> 2008/7/3 Mike Burger <mburger@...>:

>> With regard to the "blank screen"...I'm assuming that is happening after
>> the graphical boot sequence...the one that shows all the various service
>> starting, etc.
>>
>> I'm running into the same issue, using an Nvidia card.
>>
>> It's not an indication that the system is frozen...it's that the system
>> switched to TTY7, which is where the graphical environment is supposed
>> to
>> start.
>>
>> Instead, all I do is press ALT-F1 to get to the first console terminal,
>> log in, run "sudo init 3" to bring the system to runlevel 3 (text only
>> mode), then "sudo init 5 ; exit" to bring the system back to runlevel 5
>> (graphical mode) and then exit that particular shell.
>>
>> The system then comes up with the login for the GUI desktop.
>>
>> I do wonder if it has to do with the desktop environment selected.  I
>> run
>> KDE (don't have Gnome installed)...which desktop environment are you
>> using?
>
> Mike
> Alt-F1 is not working on my system!!! so our problems are not
> completely similar.

Have you tried CTRL-ALT-F1?  This is how, if your X screen were working,
you'd get to the first TTY text screen.
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[Mike Burger]

> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:38 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
>> Alt-F1 is not working on my system!!! so our problems are not
>> completely similar.
>
> That should be Ctrl-Alt-F1.

Just suggested that, too, however, if his symptoms were like mine (blank
text screen with blinking cursor in upper left corner) ALT-F1 usually
works just fine.

CTRL is usually only needed to get from the X screens to the first TTY.

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[antonio montagnani-2]

2008/7/5 Mike Burger <mburger@...>:

>
>> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:38 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
>>> Alt-F1 is not working on my system!!! so our problems are not
>>> completely similar.
>>
>> That should be Ctrl-Alt-F1.
>
> Just suggested that, too, however, if his symptoms were like mine (blank
> text screen with blinking cursor in upper left corner) ALT-F1 usually
> works just fine.
>
> CTRL is usually only needed to get from the X screens to the first TTY.
>
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I have no blinking cursor
I have filed a bug
See Bugzilla Bug 454055: Latest updates prevent graphic login
Now I have a F9 with a F10 kernel (the only package from F10), but
this kernel prevented the use of my Crystal webcam that was playing
fine until thursday morning!!!!

I agree that F10 maybe broken, but I see same breakage in F9. :-(


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[Mike Burger]

> 2008/7/5 Mike Burger <mburger@...>:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:38 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
>>>> Alt-F1 is not working on my system!!! so our problems are not
>>>> completely similar.
>>>
>>> That should be Ctrl-Alt-F1.
>>
>> Just suggested that, too, however, if his symptoms were like mine (blank
>> text screen with blinking cursor in upper left corner) ALT-F1 usually
>> works just fine.
>>
>> CTRL is usually only needed to get from the X screens to the first TTY.
>
> I have no blinking cursor
> I have filed a bug
> See Bugzilla Bug 454055: Latest updates prevent graphic login
> Now I have a F9 with a F10 kernel (the only package from F10), but
> this kernel prevented the use of my Crystal webcam that was playing
> fine until thursday morning!!!!

I noted you were able to use the kernel to get around the graphical login
issue...also read the Crystal Eye thread.

> I agree that F10 maybe broken, but I see same breakage in F9. :-(

The issue I'm seeing is in F9...not brave enough to move to F10...and
thinking I should have stayed at F8. ;-)
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[Anne Wilson-4]

On Saturday 05 July 2008 12:49:57 Antonio M wrote:
> Now I have a F9 with a F10 kernel (the only package from F10), but
> this kernel prevented the use of my Crystal webcam that was playing
> fine until thursday morning!!!!

So before you installed this you had a strong reason to believe that an F10
kernel would be problem-free with F9?

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[antonio montagnani-2]

2008/7/5 Anne Wilson <cannewilson@...>:

> On Saturday 05 July 2008 12:49:57 Antonio M wrote:
>> Now I have a F9 with a F10 kernel (the only package from F10), but
>> this kernel prevented the use of my Crystal webcam that was playing
>> fine until thursday morning!!!!
>
> So before you installed this you had a strong reason to believe that an F10
> kernel would be problem-free with F9?
>
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Anne,

I had a system fully based on F9.On Thursday I applied some updates
(the day' updates, as I usually run yum daily).
After applying all aupdates and rebooting I got a blank screen after
the start-up procedure.
I could login graphically playing between runlevel 3 and runlevel 5
but system froze anyway after some Firefox use (I don't know if this
is related...)
So basically I had an unusable system, I decided to give an extreme
try installing a kernel from F10 and magically the system worked
again!!!! In the meantime we lost the Crystal webcam as in another
thread... :-(
I am waiting comments by developers (see Bugzilla Bug 454055: Latest
updates prevent graphic login)
Please note that I have another system runing F9 where I installed a
kernel from F10 to solve sound troubles similar to Bugzilla Bug
453471: kernel update causes sound to play too fast

I hope to have explained my situation....

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[antonio montagnani-2]

2008/7/5 Antonio M <antonio.montagnani@...>:

> 2008/7/5 Anne Wilson <cannewilson@...>:
>> On Saturday 05 July 2008 12:49:57 Antonio M wrote:
>>> Now I have a F9 with a F10 kernel (the only package from F10), but
>>> this kernel prevented the use of my Crystal webcam that was playing
>>> fine until thursday morning!!!!
>>
>> So before you installed this you had a strong reason to believe that an F10
>> kernel would be problem-free with F9?
>>
>> Anne
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> Anne,
>
> I had a system fully based on F9.On Thursday I applied some updates
> (the day' updates, as I usually run yum daily).
> After applying all aupdates and rebooting I got a blank screen after
> the start-up procedure.
> I could login graphically playing between runlevel 3 and runlevel 5
> but system froze anyway after some Firefox use (I don't know if this
> is related...)
> So basically I had an unusable system, I decided to give an extreme
> try installing a kernel from F10 and magically the system worked
> again!!!! In the meantime we lost the Crystal webcam as in another
> thread... :-(
> I am waiting comments by developers (see Bugzilla Bug 454055: Latest
> updates prevent graphic login)
> Please note that I have another system runing F9 where I installed a
> kernel from F10 to solve sound troubles similar to Bugzilla Bug
> 453471: kernel update causes sound to play too fast
>
> I hope to have explained my situation....
>
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I tried also kernel-2.6.25.10-85.fc9.i686 from Koji, with no success!!!

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[Anne Wilson-4]

On Saturday 05 July 2008 16:06:32 Antonio M wrote:

> >> On Saturday 05 July 2008 12:49:57 Antonio M wrote:
> >>> Now I have a F9 with a F10 kernel (the only package from F10), but
> >>> this kernel prevented the use of my Crystal webcam that was playing
> >>> fine until thursday morning!!!!
> >>
> >> So before you installed this you had a strong reason to believe that an
> >> F10 kernel would be problem-free with F9?
> >>
> >> Anne
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> > Anne,
> >
> > I had a system fully based on F9.On Thursday I applied some updates
> > (the day' updates, as I usually run yum daily).
> > After applying all aupdates and rebooting I got a blank screen after
> > the start-up procedure.
> > I could login graphically playing between runlevel 3 and runlevel 5
> > but system froze anyway after some Firefox use (I don't know if this
> > is related...)
> > So basically I had an unusable system,

So are you saying that you tried the existing alternative kernel, offered in
grub, but that no longer worked?  That would be very peculiar indeed.

OK - I've read your bug report.  I don't believe that there is any way that
installing a new kernel would break the existing ones.  You almost certainly
have something else going on.  You may well have to wait to see whether
anyone else identifies the problem.  FWIW, 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 is one of the
kernels you mention, and it certainly works on my Fedora box.

> > I decided to give an extreme
> > try installing a kernel from F10 and magically the system worked
> > again!!!! In the meantime we lost the Crystal webcam as in another
> > thread... :-(
> > I am waiting comments by developers (see Bugzilla Bug 454055: Latest
> > updates prevent graphic login)


> > Please note that I have another system runing F9 where I installed a
> > kernel from F10 to solve sound troubles similar to Bugzilla Bug
> > 453471: kernel update causes sound to play too fast
> >
> > I hope to have explained my situation....

> I tried also kernel-2.6.25.10-85.fc9.i686 from Koji, with no success!!!

I don't know who is advising you to try rawhide and koji kernels, but I would
not touch them in a standard install unless I had *very strong* reason to
trust the level of expertise of the person recommending them.  And there
would be very few people indeed that fit that bill.

Anne

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[Anne Wilson-4]

On Saturday 05 July 2008 16:06:32 Antonio M wrote:
> In the meantime we lost the Crystal webcam as in another
>
> > thread..

BTW - if you compiled the driver for the webcam against the existing kernel,
you will have to install the new source kernel to match your new kernel and
re-compile the driver.

That could be the cause of all your problems, if the bootup is attempting to
start the webcam.

Anne

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