LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro

[Giuseppe Pagnoni-2]

Dear FreeBSD experts,

I am trying to install FreeBSD 7.0 on a new i386 machine with no OS
installed yet.  I start the install process with the 1st CD of the
distribution, and I go through the partition phase with no problem.
However, when I get to the point where I select the installation media
(CD/DVD) it says that it cannot find the CD/DVD.

I read on the FAQ list on the FreeBSD site that this can happen when
the drive is configured as a slave with no master.  So I opened up the
box, and I saw that the drive has its own ATAPI/IDE cable/slot on the
motherboard and the jumpers on  the drive are set as MASTER.

The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it.

I also tried to install Ubuntu and it works fine (but I really would
like to have FreeBSD!).

On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card
Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with
FreeBSD?


Any help or suggestion will be highly appreciated,

thanks in advance

  giuseppe



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[Jeremy Chadwick-3]

On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote:

> I am trying to install FreeBSD 7.0 on a new i386 machine with no OS
> installed yet.  I start the install process with the 1st CD of the
> distribution, and I go through the partition phase with no problem.
> However, when I get to the point where I select the installation media
> (CD/DVD) it says that it cannot find the CD/DVD.
>
> I read on the FAQ list on the FreeBSD site that this can happen when
> the drive is configured as a slave with no master.  So I opened up the
> box, and I saw that the drive has its own ATAPI/IDE cable/slot on the
> motherboard and the jumpers on  the drive are set as MASTER.
>
> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it.
>
> I also tried to install Ubuntu and it works fine (but I really would
> like to have FreeBSD!).

The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell
ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly).  I wonder if FreeBSD
somehow lacks support for this...

What confuses me is that you can boot the CD media, and FreeBSD will
load kernel modules and a copy of the mini filesystem into memory off
the CD, yet it can't actually find the CD come installation time.

> On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card
> Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with
> FreeBSD?

Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they
used on the P5Q series.  I have one of these boards, so I can assure
you it's an Attansic L1E.  It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros
AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114.

FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver.
7.0 will very likely not support this NIC.

Please download the 7.1-PRERELEASE ISO from here, and try installing
using it instead.

ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200809/

If finding the CD/DVD media still does not work, let us know and I will
try to reproduce the problem on my P5Q SE.

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[Michael Fuckner]

Jeremy Chadwick wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote:
>> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it.
>>
>> I also tried to install Ubuntu and it works fine (but I really would
>> like to have FreeBSD!).
>
> The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell
> ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly).  I wonder if FreeBSD
> somehow lacks support for this...
>
> What confuses me is that you can boot the CD media, and FreeBSD will
> load kernel modules and a copy of the mini filesystem into memory off
> the CD, yet it can't actually find the CD come installation time.

First sectors are read by the bios, the kernel is loaded and executed.
The Kernel doesn't know anything about this Controller, so it can't
access the CD.

My advice is to disable the crappy Marvell Chip and get a SATA-DVD.

I'm sorry, I don't know about the status of the Attansic-Lan. You can
add another supported NIC with Intel Chipset or something else that is
supported.

Regards,
  Michael!
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[Pyun YongHyeon]

On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:18:48PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote:

[...]

 >
 > > On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card
 > > Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with
 > > FreeBSD?
 >
 > Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they
 > used on the P5Q series.  I have one of these boards, so I can assure
 > you it's an Attansic L1E.  It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros
 > AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114.
 >
 > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver.
 > 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC.
 >

If the controller is AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E adapters(also known as
L1E) there is no working driver for FreeBSD. Because the controller
is quite different from its predecessor L1, new driver should be
written for the controller.
It's not feasible for me to write the driver until I can actually
access the hardware. :-(

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[Jeremy Chadwick-3]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 05:22:57PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:18:48PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>  > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>  >
>  > > On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card
>  > > Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with
>  > > FreeBSD?
>  >
>  > Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they
>  > used on the P5Q series.  I have one of these boards, so I can assure
>  > you it's an Attansic L1E.  It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros
>  > AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114.
>  >
>  > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver.
>  > 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC.
>  >
>
> If the controller is AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E adapters(also known as
> L1E) there is no working driver for FreeBSD. Because the controller
> is quite different from its predecessor L1, new driver should be
> written for the controller.
> It's not feasible for me to write the driver until I can actually
> access the hardware. :-(

Wow, I was under the impression the L1 and the L1E were identical,
except that the L1E was PCI Express-based vs. PCI-based.

The Attansic L1E stuff is becoming more and more common here on
motherboards in the States.

Yong-Hyeon, I can get you a P5Q SE motherboard and send it your way
(with CPU + memory as well, if need be), if you'd like.

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[Giuseppe Pagnoni-2]

Dear Jeremy,

thank you very much for your help.  I downloaded the 7.1 prerelease,
but unfortunately didn't solve the problem with the CD/DVD.  As for
the ethernet card, it's a kind of catch 22: to see if the card is
working I should install the OS, but I cannot from the DVD. I cannot
even install over FTP, because the institution I am in wants my MAC
address to allow this pc to connect to internet and I cannot get to
the MAC address without installing an OS (at least, I don't know
how... I tried an Ubuntu LiveCD, but it doesn't recognize the ethernet
card, either).

Since I have other problems with this machine, I am thinking about
returning it. I wonder whether you could point  me to some sure
FreeBSD compatible hardware which is in the ballpark of this machine
in terms of configuration. I tried to look in the Release Hardware
note, but it's a bit difficult for me to match all the hardware codes
to their physical counterparts!  This is what I have currently:

    Motherboard: Asus P5Q Pro
    Processor: INTEL Core 2 Duo E8500
    CD/DVD: LG GH22LP20
    Graphics: nVidia GeForce 8500GT (512Mb PCI-E)
    Controller EIDE PCI + SATA 2 RAID (500Gb each)

    RAM: 4 GB, 800 Mhz (by the way, I never understood if the
processor can address or not 4GB... should I just get 3GB?)

Thank you very much for any advice, but please ignore this if it takes
too much of your time.

very best

   giuseppe


On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@...> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote:
>> I am trying to install FreeBSD 7.0 on a new i386 machine with no OS
>> installed yet.  I start the install process with the 1st CD of the
>> distribution, and I go through the partition phase with no problem.
>> However, when I get to the point where I select the installation media
>> (CD/DVD) it says that it cannot find the CD/DVD.
>>
>> I read on the FAQ list on the FreeBSD site that this can happen when
>> the drive is configured as a slave with no master.  So I opened up the
>> box, and I saw that the drive has its own ATAPI/IDE cable/slot on the
>> motherboard and the jumpers on  the drive are set as MASTER.
>>
>> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it.
>>
>> I also tried to install Ubuntu and it works fine (but I really would
>> like to have FreeBSD!).
>
> The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell
> ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly).  I wonder if FreeBSD
> somehow lacks support for this...
>
> What confuses me is that you can boot the CD media, and FreeBSD will
> load kernel modules and a copy of the mini filesystem into memory off
> the CD, yet it can't actually find the CD come installation time.
>
>> On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card
>> Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with
>> FreeBSD?
>
> Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they
> used on the P5Q series.  I have one of these boards, so I can assure
> you it's an Attansic L1E.  It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros
> AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114.
>
> FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver.
> 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC.
>
> Please download the 7.1-PRERELEASE ISO from here, and try installing
> using it instead.
>
> ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200809/
>
> If finding the CD/DVD media still does not work, let us know and I will
> try to reproduce the problem on my P5Q SE.
>
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[dieter-7]

>> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it.

I have an older LG PATA combo drive which works ok.

Does it show up when booting?  (Does dmesg work from the installation shell?)

Maybe you need to "kldload atapicam" ?  Or is that only needed for writing,
I forget...

> The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell
> ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly).  I wonder if FreeBSD
> somehow lacks support for this...

7.0 ata man page claims support for:

     Marvell         88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, 88SX5081, 88SX6041,
                     88SX6081, 88SX6101, 88SX6141.

> I also tried to install Ubuntu and it works fine (but I really would
> like to have FreeBSD!).

Have you tried NetBSD or OpenBSD?

> > thank you very much for your help.  I downloaded the 7.1 prerelease,
> > but unfortunately didn't solve the problem with the CD/DVD.  As for
> > the ethernet card, it's a kind of catch 22: to see if the card is
> > working I should install the OS, but I cannot from the DVD.

Who says you *have* to install from a DVD?  You might be able to install
from NetBSD or OpenBSD, or maybe even penguinix.  Or connect the disk
to some other FreeBSD box.  Installing Unix is basically fdisk and/or
disklabel, newfs, mount, tar, edit config files, reboot.  Sometimes you
need to get creative.

# mount partition(s) for FreeBSD on /mnt
# mount iso on /mnt2

export DESTDIR=/mnt
cd /mnt2/7.0-RELEASE

for foo in base doc catpages dict games info manpages proflibs ports lib32
do
        cd ${foo}
        ./install.sh
        cd ..
done

> Understood.  This situation is very frustrating; people often run into
> on Windows as well ("How do I get the Ethernet driver for my NIC from
> the web site if Windows doesn't already have support for my NIC?!").

Plug in a working Ethernet card.
Use RS-232 and ppp.
CD/DVD
attach disk to a working machine
etc. etc.

> > I cannot even install over FTP, because the institution I am in wants
> > my MAC address to allow this pc to connect to internet and I cannot
> > get to the MAC address without installing an OS (at least, I don't
> > know how... I tried an Ubuntu LiveCD, but it doesn't recognize the
> > ethernet card, either).

Sometimes the MAC address is printed on a sticker.

Copy files to a local machine, ftp from that machine?

Copy ISOs to a spare partition somehow.  Then mount the ISOs using
mdconfig kludge.
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[Jeremy Chadwick-3]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 04:50:36PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote:
> thank you very much for your help.  I downloaded the 7.1 prerelease,
> but unfortunately didn't solve the problem with the CD/DVD.  As for
> the ethernet card, it's a kind of catch 22: to see if the card is
> working I should install the OS, but I cannot from the DVD.

Understood.  This situation is very frustrating; people often run into
on Windows as well ("How do I get the Ethernet driver for my NIC from
the web site if Windows doesn't already have support for my NIC?!").

> I cannot even install over FTP, because the institution I am in wants
> my MAC address to allow this pc to connect to internet and I cannot
> get to the MAC address without installing an OS (at least, I don't
> know how... I tried an Ubuntu LiveCD, but it doesn't recognize the
> ethernet card, either).

Yong-Hyeon covered this; I was incorrect in assuming the Attansic L1E
was just a PCI Express version of the L1.  They are apparently different
chips and are initialised differently.  Yong-Hyeon doesn't have access
to any hardware which uses the L1E, so writing a driver for it is going
to be a bit difficult.  :-( If needed, I can ship him an Asus P5Q SE
board + CPU/RAM for testing and development (I have the CPU/RAM, but I
would need to purchase the board).

As far as the ATA/IDE stuff goes, that's going to be more difficult.
I'm really surprised FreeBSD doesn't work with it.  I might have to
experiment with why that is on my own P5Q SE box; this would require
Soren Schmidt (ata(4) author)'s involvement.

> Since I have other problems with this machine, I am thinking about
> returning it. I wonder whether you could point  me to some sure
> FreeBSD compatible hardware which is in the ballpark of this machine
> in terms of configuration. I tried to look in the Release Hardware
> note, but it's a bit difficult for me to match all the hardware codes
> to their physical counterparts!  This is what I have currently:

My recommendation would be to keep the motherboard and purchase two
pieces of hardware:

1) Intel Pro/1000 PT NIC (PCI Express) -- about US$35-45,
2) Any SATA-based Pioneer DVD drive -- about US$25-30.

If you were in the States I'd send you the NIC free of cost, as my way
of saying "I'm sorry for all the issues you're having with FreeBSD's
hardware support".  But I see you're in Italy.  :-)

If you want to go with another NIC, that's fine too -- I would recommend
staying away from Realtek NICs.  If you can find an older Intel Pro/100
NIC somewhere, that might be cheaper; those use the fxp(4) driver.

This should allow you to get online reliably, and allow you to perform
the FreeBSD installation using a SATA-based DVD drive hooked to the ICH
controller, rather than the Marvell ATA/IDE controller.

When FreeBSD gets support for the Attansic L1E chip, switching over to
it would be painless.  :-)

>     RAM: 4 GB, 800 Mhz (by the way, I never understood if the
> processor can address or not 4GB... should I just get 3GB?)

The processor and system *most definitely* can address more than 4GB.
It just depends on how the OS supports it.

FreeBSD has two flavours: i386 (32-bit) and amd64 (64-bit).

i386 can address up to 4GB of RAM natively (see below), but you will
probably only get ~3GB of that usable.  The reason is limited memory
address space; PCI Express, ACPI, and many other features (I can provide
you a list or reference material if you want to see) cause some of the
memory addressing space to be taken up.

If you install more than 4GB on i386, you will have to use what's known
as PAE mode.  It's an Intel addressing extension to support >4GB of RAM
on i386.  There are many problems with it though; there's a performance
hit, and there are known issues with drivers and FreeBSD features which
you cannot use in PAE mode.

When it comes to i386, I recommend people stick with 2 or 3GB, and avoid
PAE mode at all costs.

amd64 can address up to 256TB of RAM.  Don't let the "amd64" term make
you think it's intended for AMD processors; it works fine on both Intel
and AMD processors.  If you plan on installing 4GB or more memory in a
system, I recommend considering amd64.

However, there's one thing I remember reading somewhere.  Someone will
have to correct me if I'm wrong -- if you plan on using X Windows on an
am64 system, be aware that nVidia does not provide an amd64-compatible
video driver for FreeBSD.

Hope this helps in your decisions.

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[Pyun YongHyeon]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:58:28AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 05:22:57PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote:
 > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:18:48PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 > >  > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote:
 > >
 > > [...]
 > >
 > >  >
 > >  > > On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card
 > >  > > Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with
 > >  > > FreeBSD?
 > >  >
 > >  > Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they
 > >  > used on the P5Q series.  I have one of these boards, so I can assure
 > >  > you it's an Attansic L1E.  It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros
 > >  > AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114.
 > >  >
 > >  > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver.
 > >  > 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC.
 > >  >
 > >
 > > If the controller is AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E adapters(also known as
 > > L1E) there is no working driver for FreeBSD. Because the controller
 > > is quite different from its predecessor L1, new driver should be
 > > written for the controller.
 > > It's not feasible for me to write the driver until I can actually
 > > access the hardware. :-(
 >
 > Wow, I was under the impression the L1 and the L1E were identical,
 > except that the L1E was PCI Express-based vs. PCI-based.
 >
 > The Attansic L1E stuff is becoming more and more common here on
 > motherboards in the States.
 >

Correct. Newer Eee PC also seems to have the controller.

 > Yong-Hyeon, I can get you a P5Q SE motherboard and send it your way
 > (with CPU + memory as well, if need be), if you'd like.
 >

Yeah, that would make me write a driver for L1E and I'm willing to
do that. I greatly appreciate your support.

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[Jeremy Chadwick-3]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:49:01PM +0100, Dieter wrote:

> >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it.
>
> I have an older LG PATA combo drive which works ok.
>
> Does it show up when booting?  (Does dmesg work from the installation shell?)
>
> Maybe you need to "kldload atapicam" ?  Or is that only needed for writing,
> I forget...
>
> > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell
> > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly).  I wonder if FreeBSD
> > somehow lacks support for this...
>
> 7.0 ata man page claims support for:
>
>      Marvell         88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, 88SX5081, 88SX6041,
>                      88SX6081, 88SX6101, 88SX6141.

None of these are what's on the P5Q series boards.  The P5Q series
boards use a Marvell 88SE6102 Super I/O chip, which also drives IDE/PATA
devices.  (SATA is driven via ICH10 or ICH10R).

I'm left to believe FreeBSD simply lacks support for this very new
Marvell chip.  I'm willing to bet there is no sign of ata(4) devices nor
atapci(4) PCI association during boot-up.

> > > I cannot even install over FTP, because the institution I am in wants
> > > my MAC address to allow this pc to connect to internet and I cannot
> > > get to the MAC address without installing an OS (at least, I don't
> > > know how... I tried an Ubuntu LiveCD, but it doesn't recognize the
> > > ethernet card, either).
>
> Sometimes the MAC address is printed on a sticker.

This is an on-board NIC/PHY.  I'm fairly sure there's no printed label
of the MAC on the motherboard, although if there was, I'd say it's
probably on the underside/back of the board.

http://www.unitycorp.co.jp/asus/motherboard/intel/lga775/p5q_pro/big_photo.jpg

I'm going to get Yong-Hyeon a P5Q SE motherboard with CPU and RAM, and
ship it to him in South Korea.  Once it arrives, he should be able to
work on developing a driver for it over the next few months.

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[Jeremy Chadwick-3]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 03:48:58PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:58:28AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>  > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 05:22:57PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote:
>  > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:18:48PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>  > >  > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote:
>  > >
>  > > [...]
>  > >
>  > >  >
>  > >  > > On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card
>  > >  > > Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with
>  > >  > > FreeBSD?
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they
>  > >  > used on the P5Q series.  I have one of these boards, so I can assure
>  > >  > you it's an Attansic L1E.  It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros
>  > >  > AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver.
>  > >  > 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC.
>  > >  >
>  > >
>  > > If the controller is AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E adapters(also known as
>  > > L1E) there is no working driver for FreeBSD. Because the controller
>  > > is quite different from its predecessor L1, new driver should be
>  > > written for the controller.
>  > > It's not feasible for me to write the driver until I can actually
>  > > access the hardware. :-(
>  >
>  > Wow, I was under the impression the L1 and the L1E were identical,
>  > except that the L1E was PCI Express-based vs. PCI-based.
>  >
>  > The Attansic L1E stuff is becoming more and more common here on
>  > motherboards in the States.
>  >
>
> Correct. Newer Eee PC also seems to have the controller.
>
>  > Yong-Hyeon, I can get you a P5Q SE motherboard and send it your way
>  > (with CPU + memory as well, if need be), if you'd like.
>  >
>
> Yeah, that would make me write a driver for L1E and I'm willing to
> do that. I greatly appreciate your support.

Yong-Hyeon,

Please (privately) provide me your address in South Korea and I'll get
all of this stuff shipped off to you within the next few weeks.  You can
keep the hardware, resell it, or ship it back (if you so desire) when
finished with it.  :-)

Thanks!  

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[Jeremy Chadwick-3]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 12:33:04AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:49:01PM +0100, Dieter wrote:
> > >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it.
> >
> > I have an older LG PATA combo drive which works ok.
> >
> > Does it show up when booting?  (Does dmesg work from the installation shell?)
> >
> > Maybe you need to "kldload atapicam" ?  Or is that only needed for writing,
> > I forget...
> >
> > > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell
> > > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly).  I wonder if FreeBSD
> > > somehow lacks support for this...
> >
> > 7.0 ata man page claims support for:
> >
> >      Marvell         88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, 88SX5081, 88SX6041,
> >                      88SX6081, 88SX6101, 88SX6141.
>
> None of these are what's on the P5Q series boards.  The P5Q series
> boards use a Marvell 88SE6102 Super I/O chip, which also drives IDE/PATA
> devices.  (SATA is driven via ICH10 or ICH10R).
>
> I'm left to believe FreeBSD simply lacks support for this very new
> Marvell chip.  I'm willing to bet there is no sign of ata(4) devices nor
> atapci(4) PCI association during boot-up.

Mac folks are seeing the same problem:

http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=128985
http://www.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t99634.html

Wikipedia states the 88SE6121, not the 88SE6102, is used on P5Q series
boards.  But the P5Q SE motherboard manual states it's a 88SE6102.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvell_Technology_Group_chipsets

So either the motherboard manual is wrong, Wikipedia is wrong, or the
P5Q SE and P5Q Pro contain different models/versions of ICs.

When I get a P5Q SE for Yong-Hyeon, I'll make note of what's
silkscreened on the ASIC.

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[Vincent Barus]

Hi,
maybe Andrey Elsukov can help with this Marvell chips:
http://butcher.heavennet.ru/patches/kernel/ata/marvell/README.txt
He worked on it for a few months.

Regards,

Vincent

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@...> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 12:33:04AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:49:01PM +0100, Dieter wrote:
>> > >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it.
>> >
>> > I have an older LG PATA combo drive which works ok.
>> >
>> > Does it show up when booting?  (Does dmesg work from the installation shell?)
>> >
>> > Maybe you need to "kldload atapicam" ?  Or is that only needed for writing,
>> > I forget...
>> >
>> > > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell
>> > > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly).  I wonder if FreeBSD
>> > > somehow lacks support for this...
>> >
>> > 7.0 ata man page claims support for:
>> >
>> >      Marvell         88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, 88SX5081, 88SX6041,
>> >                      88SX6081, 88SX6101, 88SX6141.
>>
>> None of these are what's on the P5Q series boards.  The P5Q series
>> boards use a Marvell 88SE6102 Super I/O chip, which also drives IDE/PATA
>> devices.  (SATA is driven via ICH10 or ICH10R).
>>
>> I'm left to believe FreeBSD simply lacks support for this very new
>> Marvell chip.  I'm willing to bet there is no sign of ata(4) devices nor
>> atapci(4) PCI association during boot-up.
>
> Mac folks are seeing the same problem:
>
> http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=128985
> http://www.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t99634.html
>
> Wikipedia states the 88SE6121, not the 88SE6102, is used on P5Q series
> boards.  But the P5Q SE motherboard manual states it's a 88SE6102.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvell_Technology_Group_chipsets
>
> So either the motherboard manual is wrong, Wikipedia is wrong, or the
> P5Q SE and P5Q Pro contain different models/versions of ICs.
>
> When I get a P5Q SE for Yong-Hyeon, I'll make note of what's
> silkscreened on the ASIC.
>
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[Jeremy Chadwick-3]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 12:39:30AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 12:33:04AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:49:01PM +0100, Dieter wrote:
> > > >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it.
> > >
> > > I have an older LG PATA combo drive which works ok.
> > >
> > > Does it show up when booting?  (Does dmesg work from the installation shell?)
> > >
> > > Maybe you need to "kldload atapicam" ?  Or is that only needed for writing,
> > > I forget...
> > >
> > > > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell
> > > > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly).  I wonder if FreeBSD
> > > > somehow lacks support for this...
> > >
> > > 7.0 ata man page claims support for:
> > >
> > >      Marvell         88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, 88SX5081, 88SX6041,
> > >                      88SX6081, 88SX6101, 88SX6141.
> >
> > None of these are what's on the P5Q series boards.  The P5Q series
> > boards use a Marvell 88SE6102 Super I/O chip, which also drives IDE/PATA
> > devices.  (SATA is driven via ICH10 or ICH10R).
> >
> > I'm left to believe FreeBSD simply lacks support for this very new
> > Marvell chip.  I'm willing to bet there is no sign of ata(4) devices nor
> > atapci(4) PCI association during boot-up.
>
> Mac folks are seeing the same problem:
>
> http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=128985
> http://www.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t99634.html
>
> Wikipedia states the 88SE6121, not the 88SE6102, is used on P5Q series
> boards.  But the P5Q SE motherboard manual states it's a 88SE6102.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvell_Technology_Group_chipsets
>
> So either the motherboard manual is wrong, Wikipedia is wrong, or the
> P5Q SE and P5Q Pro contain different models/versions of ICs.
>
> When I get a P5Q SE for Yong-Hyeon, I'll make note of what's
> silkscreened on the ASIC.

Yong-Hyeon received my hardware yesterday.  Before I shipped it, I
made note of the silkscreening on numerous chips:

Atheros AR8121-AL1E           = GigE NIC + PHY
Marvell 88SE6102-NNC1         = ATA/IDE controller
Nuvoton/Winbond W83667HG-A    = Super I/O + hardware monitoring

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