Konqueror enlarge-font shortcut non-sensical

Hi,

in Konqueror,  enlarge font appears to have been move to ctrl-= (!). I presume
because this is convenient in some keyboard layout or other. Might I humbly
suggest moving it back to ctrl-+? There are a lot of keyboard layouts out
there, so using the physical layout of one of them is a really bad idea, in
my humble opinion.

If we agree I shall personally execute it, if desired.

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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Esben Mose Hansen <kde@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in Konqueror,  enlarge font appears to have been move to ctrl-= (!). I presume
> because this is convenient in some keyboard layout or other. Might I humbly
> suggest moving it back to ctrl-+? There are a lot of keyboard layouts out
> there, so using the physical layout of one of them is a really bad idea, in
> my humble opinion.

Yes, I suppose it is because + is  "shift"+"=" on the US keyboard. I
can see both problems, but it's probably not so easy to solve this
satisfactorily for everyone.
In this case, maybe allowiing both shortcuts could work.

It would be nice to be able to specify "the key that has the <symbol>
label, with such and such modifier", that is, without the implied
"shift" modifier.

>
> If we agree I shall personally execute it, if desired.
>
> --
> kind regards, Esben
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[Albert Astals Cid]

A Divendres 27 Juny 2008, Esben Mose Hansen va escriure:
> Hi,
>
> in Konqueror,  enlarge font appears to have been move to ctrl-= (!). I
> presume because this is convenient in some keyboard layout or other. Might
> I humbly suggest moving it back to ctrl-+? There are a lot of keyboard
> layouts out there, so using the physical layout of one of them is a really
> bad idea, in my humble opinion.
>
> If we agree I shall personally execute it, if desired.

Agreed.

Albert
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[James Richard Tyrer]

Esben Mose Hansen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in Konqueror,  enlarge font appears to have been move to ctrl-= (!). I presume
> because this is convenient in some keyboard layout or other. Might I humbly
> suggest moving it back to ctrl-+? There are a lot of keyboard layouts out
> there, so using the physical layout of one of them is a really bad idea, in
> my humble opinion.
>
This is based on the original IBM AT US layout where the "+" is
<Shift><=> and there is no number pad.  This makes <Ctrl><Shift><=> a
bit hard to use.  However, since keyboards now include a number pad,
this is not obsolete.

Does KDE make a distinction between "+" which is <Shift><=> and <num+>?
  If so, the default should be <Ctrl><num+>.

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Esben Mose Hansen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in Konqueror,  enlarge font appears to have been move to ctrl-= (!). I presume
> because this is convenient in some keyboard layout or other. Might I humbly
> suggest moving it back to ctrl-+? There are a lot of keyboard layouts out
> there, so using the physical layout of one of them is a really bad idea, in
> my humble opinion.
>
> If we agree I shall personally execute it, if desired.

FWIW, Firefox recognizes all of ctrl+=, ctrl+shift+= (i.e. ctrl++ on US
keyboards) and ctrl+num+. IMO recognizing ctrl+= on US keyboards is fine
as an *alternate* shortcut, but ctrl++ should be the primary.

However, one good argument in favor of retaining ctrl+= as a secondary
is that many (most?) laptop keyboards "don't have" a numeric pad (or
rather, you need to use the fn modifier to get those keys, which makes
the shortcut on par with ctrl+shift+=).

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Would this be an internationalization problem?  It has always been ctrl+= on
the US keyboard (in multiple environments, not just KDE), but I´ve never
heard anyone complain about it before.  Maybe your layout isn´t correct for
your keyboard/language and it should be something else?

I´ve noticed lately some applications are using ctrl+shift+= (ctrl++) as the
make-bigger/zoom-in shortcut which is different from my other shortcuts.  
Very annoying for me as a US keyboard user, but probably what a bunch of
other users were expecting.

What distro are you using?  Maybe one of the keyboard shortcut files aren´t
internationalized or not all applications are using the same keyboard
shortcuts.

On Friday 27 June 2008 07:43:32 Luciano Montanaro wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Esben Mose Hansen <kde@...>
wrote:

> > Hi,
> >
> > in Konqueror,  enlarge font appears to have been move to ctrl-= (!). I
> > presume because this is convenient in some keyboard layout or other.
> > Might I humbly suggest moving it back to ctrl-+? There are a lot ofsend
> > keyboard layouts out there, so using the physical layout of one of them
> > is a really bad idea, in my humble opinion.
>
> Yes, I suppose it is because + is  "shift"+"=" on the US keyboard. I
> can see both problems, but it's probably not so easy to solve this
> satisfactorily for everyone.
> In this case, maybe allowiing both shortcuts could work.
>
> It would be nice to be able to specify "the key that has the <symbol>
> label, with such and such modifier", that is, without the implied
> "shift" modifier.
>
> > If we agree I shall personally execute it, if desired.
> >
> > --
> > kind regards, Esben
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-usability mailing list
> > kde-usability@...
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability
>
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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Friday 27 June 2008 16:48, James Richard Tyrer wrote:

> Esben Mose Hansen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > in Konqueror,  enlarge font appears to have been move to ctrl-= (!). I
> > presume because this is convenient in some keyboard layout or other.
> > Might I humbly suggest moving it back to ctrl-+? There are a lot of
> > keyboard layouts out there, so using the physical layout of one of them
> > is a really bad idea, in my humble opinion.
>
> This is based on the original IBM AT US layout where the "+" is
> <Shift><=> and there is no number pad.  This makes <Ctrl><Shift><=> a
> bit hard to use.  However, since keyboards now include a number pad,
> this is not obsolete.
>
> Does KDE make a distinction between "+" which is <Shift><=> and <num+>?
>   If so, the default should be <Ctrl><num+>.

The GB keyboard also has + at <Shift><=>.  Both that and the numpad version
work in Firefox, for instance.

Anne
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On Friday 27 June 2008 17:48:12 James Richard Tyrer wrote:

> Esben Mose Hansen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > in Konqueror,  enlarge font appears to have been move to ctrl-= (!). I
> > presume because this is convenient in some keyboard layout or other.
> > Might I humbly suggest moving it back to ctrl-+? There are a lot of
> > keyboard layouts out there, so using the physical layout of one of them
> > is a really bad idea, in my humble opinion.
>
> This is based on the original IBM AT US layout where the "+" is
> <Shift><=> and there is no number pad.  This makes <Ctrl><Shift><=> a
> bit hard to use.  However, since keyboards now include a number pad,
> this is not obsolete.
>
> Does KDE make a distinction between "+" which is <Shift><=> and <num+>?
>   If so, the default should be <Ctrl><num+>.

I don't think it does. Again, the *US* keyboard layout is not important --- if
it is, it must be handled in keyboard layout US-specific code. The
default/international  shortcuts must be layout independent.

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On Friday 27 June 2008 17:48:12 James Richard Tyrer wrote:

> Esben Mose Hansen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > in Konqueror,  enlarge font appears to have been move to ctrl-= (!). I
> > presume because this is convenient in some keyboard layout or other.
> > Might I humbly suggest moving it back to ctrl-+? There are a lot of
> > keyboard layouts out there, so using the physical layout of one of them
> > is a really bad idea, in my humble opinion.
>
> This is based on the original IBM AT US layout where the "+" is
> <Shift><=> and there is no number pad.  This makes <Ctrl><Shift><=> a
> bit hard to use.  However, since keyboards now include a number pad,
> this is not obsolete.
>
> Does KDE make a distinction between "+" which is <Shift><=> and <num+>?
>   If so, the default should be <Ctrl><num+>.

I don't think it does. Again, the *US* keyboard layout is not important --- if
it is, it must be handled in keyboard layout US-specific code. The
default/international  shortcuts must be layout independent.

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