Koha Plone Contest

[Roberto Allende]

Hello

I'm writing to ask about the Plone Koha Contest, we didn't get any news
and we'd like to know who the winner was.

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[MJ Ray-2]

Roberto Allende <rover@...> wrote:
> I'm writing to ask about the Plone Koha Contest, we didn't get any news
> and we'd like to know who the winner was.

I think a lot of the current www.koha.org writers would also love to
know!  Anyone?

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[Roberto Allende]

MJ Ray escribió:

> Roberto Allende <rover@...> wrote:
>  
>> I'm writing to ask about the Plone Koha Contest, we didn't get any news
>> and we'd like to know who the winner was.
>>    
>
> I think a lot of the current www.koha.org writers would also love to
> know!  Anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>  

PIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!!!!!!!!!!

Any news ?... Who is the person in charge ?

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[Rachel Hamilton-Williams]

Roberto Allende wrote:

> MJ Ray escribió:
>  
>> Roberto Allende <rover@...> wrote:
>>  
>>    
>>> I'm writing to ask about the Plone Koha Contest, we didn't get any news
>>> and we'd like to know who the winner was.
>>>    
>>>      
>> I think a lot of the current www.koha.org writers would also love to
>> know!  Anyone?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>  
>>    
> PIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Any news ?... Who is the person in charge ?
>  

Oh one of the tricky questions :-) Liblime have been working on the new
Plone website I think including implementing a design so hopefully
Joshua might be able to fill you in on where that is at. My
understanding is that everyone's been very busy so it may not have
progressed as far as he'd hoped.

There wasn't an outright winner that I'm aware of  - but there was some
voting and commenting so perhaps the results of that process could be
made public/available to you.

Cheers
Rachel

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[Joshua Ferraro-3]

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Rachel Hamilton-Williams
<rachel@...> wrote:

>
>
> Roberto Allende wrote:
>> MJ Ray escribió:
>>
>>> Roberto Allende <rover@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm writing to ask about the Plone Koha Contest, we didn't get any news
>>>> and we'd like to know who the winner was.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think a lot of the current www.koha.org writers would also love to
>>> know!  Anyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>> PIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Any news ?... Who is the person in charge ?
>>
> Oh one of the tricky questions :-) Liblime have been working on the new
> Plone website I think including implementing a design so hopefully
> Joshua might be able to fill you in on where that is at. My
> understanding is that everyone's been very busy so it may not have
> progressed as far as he'd hoped.
>
> There wasn't an outright winner that I'm aware of  - but there was some
> voting and commenting so perhaps the results of that process could be
> made public/available to you.

The bottom line is that the core Koha development community expressed
dissatisfaction with all of the submitted designs, and we didn't plan for
a scenerio where no-one liked any of them; for that reason, I hesitated to
publish the results of our voting process.

We're still planning to proceed with Plone, but we've had other priorities
(like the release of Koha 3.0) that have prevented us from focusing our
attention on what to do with the koha.org Plone migration.

Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone
template; others have suggested we pick one of the submitted designs
even though we didn't like them, just to move things forward; others have
suggested we run another contest or perhaps just select someone to pay
to design a koha.org site that the community is happy with. So there are
lots of ideas, but I think most of us have been too busy to execute them.

 So Koha community, how shall we proceed?

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[Roberto Allende]

Joshua Ferraro escribió:

> The bottom line is that the core Koha development community expressed
> dissatisfaction with all of the submitted designs, and we didn't plan for
> a scenerio where no-one liked any of them; for that reason, I hesitated to
> publish the results of our voting process.
>
> We're still planning to proceed with Plone, but we've had other priorities
> (like the release of Koha 3.0) that have prevented us from focusing our
> attention on what to do with the koha.org Plone migration.
>
> Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone
> template; others have suggested we pick one of the submitted designs
> even though we didn't like them, just to move things forward; others have
> suggested we run another contest or perhaps just select someone to pay
> to design a koha.org site that the community is happy with. So there are
> lots of ideas, but I think most of us have been too busy to execute them.
>
>  So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
>
> Cheers,
>  

As a person who invested time in the contest i'd like to add my points
of view.

It would be great if what the participants did solve the problem and
that's our philosophy every time we start a project. BUT in this case
you should divide the issues. From my point of view there are two sides:

1. The contest
Here you announced a contest, deadlines to meet, an award to be given to
the winner. Basically you assumed a commitment, besides the community
likes or not the work done you should close the contest, to announce who
the winner is, give the award to him/her.

2. The Koha website
Since i'm not contributor of Koha i don't feel i'm the right person to
tell what to do, but definitely you shouldn't mix this problem with the
contest. If you were a customer i would tell you before call the Plone
developers, call an artist or make a mockup and agree about it. I think
this is the first thing to do, who you do this will depend of how your
community works, resources you have, etc. If you believe i can be of any
help here, don't hesitate to ask but that will be something i'll do in
person. In the contest i involved a team and the answer you're giving to
me is not acceptable for the team.

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[nicomo]

On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@...> wrote:

> Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone
> template;

That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than later,
especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned.
I agree with Roberto that the issues should be divided: the problems
with the proposed Plone templates should not stop us from moving
forward with the plan to switch to Plone.
Nicolas

>others have suggested we pick one of the submitted designs
> even though we didn't like them, just to move things forward; others have
> suggested we run another contest or perhaps just select someone to pay
> to design a koha.org site that the community is happy with. So there are
> lots of ideas, but I think most of us have been too busy to execute them.
>
>  So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
>
> Cheers,
>
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[MJ Ray-2]

"Joshua Ferraro" <jmf@...> wrote:
>  So Koha community, how shall we proceed?

I suggest:-

1. Publish the voting results for comment here and to the entrants;

2. Allow the entrants two weeks to react and maybe update their
entries and/or suggest a way forwards (vote again and include the
Plone default template (and Kea?) as "None of the Above"-style
fallback options?  extend until a certain date? pay? walk away?)

3. Create a more realistic timetable for Plone migration - this seems
more for LibLime to suggest because AFAIK BibLibre and TTLLP are both
more drupal and perl companies than Plone and python ones (and I'm not
sure about other contributors), so I'm expecting LibLime will have to
do the work if it's Plone.  Announcing 19 March on 10 January seemed a
bit optimistic to me.

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[Nicole Engard]

Ditto - we need to get the Plone site up and running.  My suggestion is one of two.

Put the site up ASAP with any template we can find and then:

a) reopen the contest and let those who participated hear our concerns/suggestions so that they can improve on their first attempts and advertise the contest more widely to have a larger selection of options at the end

b) pick a template from the contestants and use that for now while we decide what needs to be improved


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On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:45 AM, Nicolas Morin <nicolas.morin@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@...> wrote:

> Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone
> template;

That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than later,
especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned.
I agree with Roberto that the issues should be divided: the problems
with the proposed Plone templates should not stop us from moving
forward with the plan to switch to Plone.
Nicolas

>others have suggested we pick one of the submitted designs
> even though we didn't like them, just to move things forward; others have
> suggested we run another contest or perhaps just select someone to pay
> to design a koha.org site that the community is happy with. So there are
> lots of ideas, but I think most of us have been too busy to execute them.
>
>  So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
>
> Cheers,
>
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Nicolas Morin a écrit :
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@...> wrote:
>
>> Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone
>> template;
>
> That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than later,
> especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned.

+1


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[Nicole Engard]

Now that 3.0 is out - it's time to decide what we're going to do about the Plone migration - we don't really have a consensus here.  How do we decide which route to take?


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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@...> wrote:

Nicolas Morin a écrit :

> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@...> wrote:
>
>> Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone
>> template;
>
> That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than later,
> especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned.

+1


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[Rachel Hamilton-Williams]

hi
> Now that 3.0 is out - it's time to decide what we're going to do about
> the Plone migration - we don't really have a consensus here.  How do
> we decide which route to take?
Is it possible to basically put the current design into Plone? I had
thought people were generally happy with the current look, it's just the
CMS functionality that's missing.

And who is actually going to do the Plone conversion? We could ask for a
volunteer to convert the current look (I'm assuming that we don't hate it?)

Cheers
Rachel

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> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@...
> <mailto:paul.poulain@...>> wrote:
>
>     Nicolas Morin a écrit :
>     > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@...
>     <mailto:jmf@...>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the
>     standard Plone
>     >> template;
>     >
>     > That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than
>     later,
>     > especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned.
>
>     +1
>
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[Nicole Engard]

As far as design I'm not fussed, but I was under the impression that it wasn't that easy to convert the current design into a plone template.  I'm fine with being proven wrong.

That said, I do think we want something new and fresh to go with the new and improved 3.0 release.


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On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Rachel Hamilton-Williams <rachel@...> wrote:

hi

Now that 3.0 is out - it's time to decide what we're going to do about the Plone migration - we don't really have a consensus here.  How do we decide which route to take?

Is it possible to basically put the current design into Plone? I had thought people were generally happy with the current look, it's just the CMS functionality that's missing.

And who is actually going to do the Plone conversion? We could ask for a volunteer to convert the current look (I'm assuming that we don't hate it?)

Cheers
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@... <mailto:paul.poulain@...>> wrote:

   Nicolas Morin a écrit :
   > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@...

   <mailto:jmf@...>> wrote:
   >
   >> Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the
   standard Plone
   >> template;
   >
   > That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than
   later,
   > especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned.

   +1


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[MJ Ray-2]

"Nicole Engard" <nicole.engard@...> wrote: [...]
> As far as design I'm not fussed, but I was under the impression that it
> wasn't that easy to convert the current design into a plone template.  I'm
> fine with being proven wrong.
>
> That said, I do think we want something new and fresh to go with the new and
> improved 3.0 release.

Yeah, but let's not throw the babies out with the bathwater.  I've
seen too many "replacement website" projects where it never even gets
as good as the previous one, so my motto is: evolution not revolution!

I've no idea whether it's easy/hard/impossible to convert the current
design into a plone template.  I've not worked with plone for years.
Can someone put up a test Plone server and give the current web team
(including me) FTP-or-better access so that we can try converting the
template and see how easy it is to move the current web content across?

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[Joshua Ferraro-3]

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:43 AM, MJ Ray <mjr@...> wrote:

> "Nicole Engard" <nicole.engard@...> wrote: [...]
>> As far as design I'm not fussed, but I was under the impression that it
>> wasn't that easy to convert the current design into a plone template.  I'm
>> fine with being proven wrong.
>>
>> That said, I do think we want something new and fresh to go with the new and
>> improved 3.0 release.
>
> Yeah, but let's not throw the babies out with the bathwater.  I've
> seen too many "replacement website" projects where it never even gets
> as good as the previous one, so my motto is: evolution not revolution!
>
> I've no idea whether it's easy/hard/impossible to convert the current
> design into a plone template.  I've not worked with plone for years.
> Can someone put up a test Plone server and give the current web team
> (including me) FTP-or-better access so that we can try converting the
> template and see how easy it is to move the current web content across?

Yep, this is on my list, I will do my best to have something for community
review within two weeks.

Cheers,

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[Roberto Allende]

MJ Ray escribió:

> "Joshua Ferraro" <jmf@...> wrote:
>  
>>  So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
>>    
>
> I suggest:-
>
> 1. Publish the voting results for comment here and to the entrants;
>
> 2. Allow the entrants two weeks to react and maybe update their
> entries and/or suggest a way forwards (vote again and include the
> Plone default template (and Kea?) as "None of the Above"-style
> fallback options?  extend until a certain date? pay? walk away?)
>
>  

Yes it would work if the koha community shows a little bit of commitment
with the contest and this is not happening at the moment. People in my
team ask why "should i spend more time in something that even the
organizators don't move". It's very difficult for me to convince anyone
with the low answer we had from Koha community.

This decreases your credibility and is very disappointing for us and
because the time invested on the contest.

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