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Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by Jimmy Williams
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http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en
Sorry folks, but this time it seems to not be a rumor. James C. Williams __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by Peter Badcock
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AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o Perhaps Ilford could ask to purchase the retiring production line for making the HIE ! A lifetime buy of this stuff is going to be expensive because they don't make it in bulk rolls anymore :( — Notice — Preannounced Professional Film Discontinuances November 2, 2007 KODAK is preannouncing the discontinuance of several smaller running families of Professional film - EPR, EPN and High Speed Infrared (HIE) effective end of December 2007. Demand for these products has been declining significantly in recent years, and it is no longer practical to continue to manufacture given the low volume, the age of the product formulations and the complexity of the processes involved. We will continue to ship product through the end of this year. These discontinuances are effective in all countries worldwide Product CAT No. KODAK PROFESSIONAL High-Speed Infrared Film / 135-36 8101529 RIP HIE On 09/11/2007, Jimmy Williams <nighthawkjw@...> wrote: > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en > > Sorry folks, but this time it seems to not be a rumor. > > > James C. Williams > * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by leon aguilera radford
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Well, there will be no option other than going Efke 820c. I do no think any company will be able to persuade Kodak to let them use the same formulation of HIE film. However, I recall reading somewhere the Maco said they would make it when Kodak steps back from HIE. Or Efke, as it would be possible today. Cheers, L
--- Por favor visite: http://klavaza.blogspot.com Por favor visite: http://enklavaza.blogspot.com (en ingles) Por favor visite: http://susrostros.googlepages.com Por favor visite: http://leon.aguilera.googlepages.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Badcock <peter.badcock@...> To: infrared@... Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:06:37 PM Subject: Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o Perhaps Ilford could ask to purchase the retiring production line for making the HIE ! A lifetime buy of this stuff is going to be expensive because they don't make it in bulk rolls anymore :( — Notice — Preannounced Professional Film Discontinuances November 2, 2007 KODAK is preannouncing the discontinuance of several smaller running families of Professional film - EPR, EPN and High Speed Infrared (HIE) effective end of December 2007. Demand for these products has been declining significantly in recent years, and it is no longer practical to continue to manufacture given the low volume, the age of the product formulations and the complexity of the processes involved. We will continue to ship product through the end of this year. These discontinuances are effective in all countries worldwide Product CAT No. KODAK PROFESSIONAL High-Speed Infrared Film / 135-36 8101529 RIP HIE On 09/11/2007, Jimmy Williams <nighthawkjw@...> wrote: > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en > > Sorry folks, but this time it seems to not be a rumor. > > > James C. Williams __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by Keith Davison-2
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Hmmm, I notice that there is no mention of the 70mm 2424 Aerographic
stock.
I suppose that HIE and HSI were mainly used for "art" photography rather
than for scientific purposes. I have long suspected that the 2424 was their
"bread and butter" IR product.
This is interesting as Kodak are claiming that HIE is being discontinued because of "the age of the product formulations and the complexity of the processes involved". I seem to remember that HIE is the same emulsion and base as 2424, it is just cut and perfed to a different size. So, if Kodak are continuing to produce the HIE emulsion and base for 2424, what process are they discontinuing? 35mm film perfing? I don't think so. Looks like we just have not been buying enough. Keith
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by Robert Lynch
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At 10:27 AM 11/9/2007 +0000, "Keith Davison" <megakd@...> wrote:
>Looks like we just have not been buying enough. That was covered by the first half of the sentence that you quoted: "Demand for these products has been declining significantly in recent years, and it is no longer practical to continue to manufacture given the low volume" This is off-topic, but I am mildly curious as to why there is sufficient demand in Japan for Kodak to continue shipping EPR only there past 2007. More on topic, I had Life Pixel convert an old Nikon Coolpix 995 last year as the least expensive way to experiment with digital IR. I expect I will be looking for a good used DSLR to convert with their latest Deep B&W IR filters (similar to R72 & 89b). I realize that this is heresy to some here. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 9:29 AM * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by Jimmy Williams
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> More on topic, I had Life Pixel convert an old Nikon > Coolpix 995 last > year as the least expensive way to experiment with > digital IR. I > expect I will be looking for a good used DSLR to > convert with their > latest Deep B&W IR filters (similar to R72 & 89b). > I realize that > this is heresy to some here. > Nothing hertical about moving forward. We will all have to do so soon if we wish to continue IR photography. On a more practical note, I have seen that some of you on the list work for Eastman Kodak, or know people working for Kodak (I do not). If anyone can please provide a way to contact Mary Jane Hellyar, I would be very grateful. A question: Those of you who are fans of HIE... How much would you spend for roll? I currently spend about $13.50 (shipping included). I would prefer not to pay more, but would pay as much as $18 to $20/roll. The problem is I would probably not buy as much of it, so the money I spend on it would probably be about the same. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by Jimmy Williams
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--- leon aguilera radford <klavaza@...> wrote: > Well, there will be no option other than going Efke > 820c. I do no think any company will be able to > persuade Kodak to let them use the same formulation > of HIE film. However, I recall reading somewhere the > Maco said they would make it when Kodak steps back > from HIE. Or Efke, as it would be possible today. > Cheers, L > That would be a nice alternative. The trick would be to simply leave off the anti-halide backing of the film they already make. I have tried the Rollei (Maco) and thought it nice, but not nearly as effective as HIE. Ilford might also consider manufacturing an HIE-like film. ~J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by WJM
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On 8 Nov 2007 at 5:14, Jimmy Williams wrote:
> http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jh > tml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en > > Sorry folks, but this time it seems to not be a rumor. > > > James C. Williams > Seems hardly anyone within Kodak, not even the highest specialists, have/had any good view on what is/was going on....below a message Daniel Pearl sent me early October.... xxxxxxxxxxxxxx I realize I should have made this post a month or so ago, and I apologize, but I am thankfully a better photographer than writer. There was a wave of concern in the not too distant past regarding the future supplies of Kodak's HIE. I am in the fortunate position of being one of Eastman's cinematographic poster boys, and as such have access to people in the know. Kodak, believe it or not, for a huge corporation, is really good about answering questions and solving problems for their customers. I was directed to Peter Vimislik, Kodak Professional Technical Advisor for Infrared, in Rochester at Eastman headquarters and he has assured me that there is not current plan to discontinue HIE. OK, so that's not really that big a news flash, the group has already arrived at that conclusion, but what is new and potentially interesting is that I have described this mailing list group to Mr. Vimislik and he has expressed an interest in joining us. I'm excited by this prospect, because we will hopefully benefit from his participation as a person who can speak with some authority, and hopefully lend an ear to some of our concerns. Peter has been very helpful to me in the past when I was researching the practicality of David Romero's very useful B&W Infrared lightmeter. I will be sending him the group info in the next email I write, and hopefully he will join us soon. Regards to all, Daniel Pearl, ASC xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Btw, 70mm and larger formats: where these essentially not already discontinued, moved to the section 'special orders', US$8k minimum? I would love to hear if that is still the case, since that would mean that the process itself isn't completely abandoned, nor the product-line dismantled; so that at least once very 1-5 years a batch could be produced. Which, for the most essential IR-die substance, apparently prevents any competitor to start production himself, in small numbers. (key problem: very expensive stuff, relatively large quantity, only feasible when producing a complete warehouse of film, nearly all at once, because the shelf-time of that ingredient is only a year) Maybe we ought to rent a big warehouse on north- or south-pole....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand <w.j.markerink@...> [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by leon aguilera radford
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In that case God is is taking sides with us. Thanks Damiel, that sounds like very good news! Cheers, L
--- Please visit: http://klavaza.blogspot.com Please visit: http://enklavaza.blogspot.com (en ingles) Please visit: http://susrostros.googlepages.com Please visit: http://leon.aguilera.googlepages.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Willem-Jan Markerink <w.j.markerink@...> To: infrared@... Cc: kodachrome@... Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:14:28 AM Subject: Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films On 8 Nov 2007 at 5:14, Jimmy Williams wrote: > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jh > tml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en > > Sorry folks, but this time it seems to not be a rumor. > > > James C. Williams > Seems hardly anyone within Kodak, not even the highest specialists, have/had any good view on what is/was going on....below a message Daniel Pearl sent me early October.... xxxxxxxxxxxxxx I realize I should have made this post a month or so ago, and I apologize, but I am thankfully a better photographer than writer. There was a wave of concern in the not too distant past regarding the future supplies of Kodak's HIE. I am in the fortunate position of being one of Eastman's cinematographic poster boys, and as such have access to people in the know. Kodak, believe it or not, for a huge corporation, is really good about answering questions and solving problems for their customers. I was directed to Peter Vimislik, Kodak Professional Technical Advisor for Infrared, in Rochester at Eastman headquarters and he has assured me that there is not current plan to discontinue HIE. OK, so that's not really that big a news flash, the group has already arrived at that conclusion, but what is new and potentially interesting is that I have described this mailing list group to Mr. Vimislik and he has expressed an interest in joining us. I'm excited by this prospect, because we will hopefully benefit from his participation as a person who can speak with some authority, and hopefully lend an ear to some of our concerns. Peter has been very helpful to me in the past when I was researching the practicality of David Romero's very useful B&W Infrared lightmeter. I will be sending him the group info in the next email I write, and hopefully he will join us soon. Regards to all, Daniel Pearl, ASC xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Btw, 70mm and larger formats: where these essentially not already discontinued, moved to the section 'special orders', US$8k minimum? I would love to hear if that is still the case, since that would mean that the process itself isn't completely abandoned, nor the product-line dismantled; so that at least once very 1-5 years a batch could be produced. Which, for the most essential IR-die substance, apparently prevents any competitor to start production himself, in small numbers. (key problem: very expensive stuff, relatively large quantity, only feasible when producing a complete warehouse of film, nearly all at once, because the shelf-time of that ingredient is only a year) Maybe we ought to rent a big warehouse on north- or south-pole....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand <w.j.markerink@...> [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by Jimmy Williams
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So, in early October, Mr. Pearl had not known that the
higher ups would decide to discontinue HIE. The business news brief where I found Mary Jane Hellyar's information was a little more recent, 17 October: http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20071017005639&newsLang=en Perhaps with the new chain of command things have been shaken up at Kodak. Please let us know if you can find out more from Mr. Pearl and I also hope he joins the forum! Cheers, Jimmy PS - with global warming, might want to refrigerate that big warehouse! --- Willem-Jan Markerink <w.j.markerink@...> wrote: > Seems hardly anyone within Kodak, not even the > highest specialists, have/had > any good view on what is/was going on....below a > message Daniel Pearl sent me > early October.... > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > I realize I should have made this post a month or so > ago, and I apologize, but > I am thankfully a better photographer than writer. > There was a wave of concern in the not too > distant past regarding the > future supplies of Kodak's HIE. I am in the > fortunate position of being one of > Eastman's cinematographic poster boys, and as such > have access to people in the > know. Kodak, believe it or not, for a huge > corporation, is really good about > answering questions and solving problems for their > customers. I was directed to > Peter Vimislik, Kodak Professional Technical Advisor > for Infrared, in Rochester > at Eastman headquarters and he has assured me that > there is not current plan to > discontinue HIE. OK, so that's not really that big a > news flash, the group has > already arrived at that conclusion, but what is new > and potentially interesting > is that I have described this mailing list group to > Mr. Vimislik and he has > expressed an interest in joining us. I'm excited by > this prospect, because we > will hopefully benefit from his participation as a > person who can speak with > some authority, and hopefully lend an ear to some of > our concerns. > Peter has been very helpful to me in the past > when I was researching the > practicality of David Romero's very useful B&W > Infrared lightmeter. I will be > sending him the group info in the next email I > write, and hopefully he will > join us soon. > Regards to all, Daniel Pearl, ASC > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Btw, 70mm and larger formats: where these > essentially not already discontinued, > moved to the section 'special orders', US$8k > minimum? > > I would love to hear if that is still the case, > since that would mean that the > process itself isn't completely abandoned, nor the > product-line dismantled; so > that at least once very 1-5 years a batch could be > produced. > Which, for the most essential IR-die substance, > apparently prevents any > competitor to start production himself, in small > numbers. > (key problem: very expensive stuff, relatively large > quantity, only feasible > when producing a complete warehouse of film, nearly > all at once, because the > shelf-time of that ingredient is only a year) > Maybe we ought to rent a big warehouse on north- or > south-pole....:)) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by Joshua Putnam
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Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
> Seems hardly anyone within Kodak, not even the highest specialists, have/had > any good view on what is/was going on....below a message Daniel Pearl sent me > early October.... > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > I realize I should have made this post a month or so ago, and I apologize, but > I am thankfully a better photographer than writer. > There was a wave of concern in the not too distant past regarding the > future supplies of Kodak's HIE. I am in the fortunate position of being one of > Eastman's cinematographic poster boys, .... Maybe false hope, but if Daniel Pearl's contact is in cinema films, could that mean 135-format HIE is going away, but Kodak will still be making special-order cinema-sized spools of infrared? -- josh@... is Joshua Putnam <http://www.phred.org/~josh/> Updated Infrared Photography Gallery: <http://www.phred.org/~josh/photo/ir.html> * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by Ryuji Suzuki
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From: Robert Lynch <robalynch@...>
Subject: Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:04:32 -0500 > This is off-topic, but I am mildly curious as to why there > is sufficient demand in Japan for Kodak to continue shipping > EPR only there past 2007. EPR gained widespread acceptance and trust among Japanese commercial photographers in the very early days of E-6 era, and EPR didn't lose that reputation despite so many of newer and better color reversal films. EPR is probably not a very good film compared to Kodak's and Fujifilm's recent films, but a lot of amateur photographers closely follow the old standard of commercial photographers (sort of like many amateur landscape photographers follow Adams in north America) and a lot of amateurs (and some professionals) still use EPR. I personally prefer Provia for high fidelity work and EPY/EPT or EPP for cross processing. -- Ryuji Suzuki http://silvergrain.org * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by George L Smyth-2
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--- Jimmy Williams <nighthawkjw@...> wrote: > > --- leon aguilera radford <klavaza@...> wrote: > > > Well, there will be no option other than going Efke > > 820c. I do no think any company will be able to > > persuade Kodak to let them use the same formulation > > of HIE film. However, I recall reading somewhere the > > Maco said they would make it when Kodak steps back > > from HIE. Or Efke, as it would be possible today. > > Cheers, L > > > > > That would be a nice alternative. The trick would be > to simply leave off the anti-halide backing of the > film they already make. I have tried the Rollei (Maco) > and thought it nice, but not nearly as effective as > HIE. Ilford might also consider manufacturing an > HIE-like film. > > ~J Actually, I have a feeling that Kodak uses a different dye to get the film to go as far into the infrared as it does, so they would probably have to use a completely different formula for the emulsion. Cheers - george ------------------------------------- Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com One Minute How-To: http://OneMinuteHowTo.com DRiP Investing: http://DRiPInvesting.org Handmade Photographic Images: http://www.GLSmyth.com - Blog: GLSmyth.Wordpress.com * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by Peter Badcock
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How would that help those who shoot in 35mm format?
Peter On 10/11/2007, Joshua Putnam <josh@...> wrote: >> > Maybe false hope, but if Daniel Pearl's contact is in cinema films, > could that mean 135-format HIE is going away, but Kodak will still be > making special-order cinema-sized spools of infrared? > > -- > josh@... is Joshua Putnam > * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films
by andrew.gullen
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Around $20CAD if I had to.
Andrew > > From: Jimmy Williams <nighthawkjw@...> > Date: 2007/11/09 Fri AM 08:29:51 EST > To: infrared@... > Subject: Re: Kodak Discontinues HIE and Other Films > > A question: Those of you who are fans of HIE... How > much would you spend for roll? * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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