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[Stan Goodman-3]

I am using Kmail v1.9.6 unde KDE v3.5.7, under openSuSE v10.3.

Is there a way to Select a range of lines in this window? I have tried to
drag the mouse cursor while holding down MB1 and various combinations of
CTRL, SHIFT, and ALT, and of course I have scanned the Kmail
documentation for hints, but have been unsuccessful.

How is one to select a group of adjacent lines in this window, so that one
can e.g. copy or move them to another folder?

--
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel
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[Andreas Demmer]

Am Dienstag 12 August 2008 schrieb Stan Goodman:
> Is there a way to Select a range of lines in this window?

Try [CTRL]+[SHIFT]+[UP] and [CTRL]+[SHIFT]+[DOWN] for selecting multiple
lines.

Greets,
Andreas

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[Ingo Klöcker]

On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:
> I am using Kmail v1.9.6 unde KDE v3.5.7, under openSuSE v10.3.
>
> Is there a way to Select a range of lines in this window? I have
> tried to drag the mouse cursor while holding down MB1 and various
> combinations of CTRL, SHIFT, and ALT, and of course I have scanned
> the Kmail documentation for hints, but have been unsuccessful.
>
> How is one to select a group of adjacent lines in this window, so
> that one can e.g. copy or move them to another folder?

Selecting several messages while holding down the LBM (left mouse
button) does not work. But the following works:

Range selection: Click with LBM on first message of range, click with
Shift+LMB on last message of range.

Indivial selection: Click with Ctrl+LMB on a message selects this
message additionally to other selected messages.


Regards,
Ingo


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[Stan Goodman-3]

At 22:14:40 on Tuesday Tuesday 12 August 2008, Ingo Klöcker
<kloecker@...> wrote:

> On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:
> > I am using Kmail v1.9.6 unde KDE v3.5.7, under openSuSE v10.3.
> >
> > Is there a way to Select a range of lines in this window? I have
> > tried to drag the mouse cursor while holding down MB1 and various
> > combinations of CTRL, SHIFT, and ALT, and of course I have scanned
> > the Kmail documentation for hints, but have been unsuccessful.
> >
> > How is one to select a group of adjacent lines in this window, so
> > that one can e.g. copy or move them to another folder?
>
> Selecting several messages while holding down the LBM (left mouse
> button) does not work. But the following works:
>
> Range selection: Click with LBM on first message of range, click with
> Shift+LMB on last message of range.
>
> Indivial selection: Click with Ctrl+LMB on a message selects this
> message additionally to other selected messages.

Thank you. I will try these maneuvers next time.

There was an earlier message that suggested a different trick, namely
CTRL+Shift+UP (or DOWN) to expand a selected range in the respective
direction. I did that to define a range of messages, then copied the
selected messages to a different folder. (I copied rather than moving
because this was a first experiment, and I wanted to preserve the
original situation in case there were a failure of any sort.) The copy
operation succeeded, so I wished to delete the original messages from
their original location. This disclosed an apparent bug.

What happened was that some, but not all, of the selected messages were
deleted, and the operation had to be repeated several times in order to
remove all the selected messages (selected lines in the window). All went
well in the end, but I do not believe that the behavior was what the
designer intended, or what a user should have to experience. I also do
not believe that the designer ever tried this maneuver out before
releasing the program.

Not a criticism, you understand, but I have to wonder why the designers
have not chosen to implement range selection in the same way that it is
done universally (even in Kmai'sl Message and Compose windows), i.e. by
holding down MB2 and drawing the mouse cursor over the desired range.

Thank you again for your hint.

--
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel
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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Tuesday 12 August 2008 23:12, Stan Goodman wrote:

> The copy
> operation succeeded, so I wished to delete the original messages from
> their original location. This disclosed an apparent bug.
>
> What happened was that some, but not all, of the selected messages were
> deleted, and the operation had to be repeated several times in order to
> remove all the selected messages (selected lines in the window). All went
> well in the end, but I do not believe that the behavior was what the
> designer intended, or what a user should have to experience. I also do
> not believe that the designer ever tried this maneuver out before
> releasing the program.
>
> Not a criticism, you understand, but I have to wonder why the designers
> have not chosen to implement range selection in the same way that it is
> done universally (even in Kmai'sl Message and Compose windows), i.e. by
> holding down MB2 and drawing the mouse cursor over the desired range.

I'm very surprised to hear this.  I delete batches of email every day using
the method recommended (1).  Select does, as far as I can see, honour the
same ctrl and shift rules as elsewhere.  So - why did it happen to you?

The first thing to check is whether it is consistent behaviour on your system.  
If it is, please tell us which distro and version you use, so that we can
find out whether other users have the problem.

Anne
(1)  Spam is filtered to a separate folder, an I have a toolbar icon for
delete ( as distinct from move to trash).  I click on the top message, hold
down shift and click on the bottom one, then click on the icon.  Result -
empty folder.

I also use ctrl select occasionally to split messages into sub-folders.
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[Ingo Klöcker]

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On Wednesday 13 August 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

> At 22:14:40 on Tuesday Tuesday 12 August 2008, Ingo Klöcker

> <kloecker@...> wrote:

> > On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

> > > I am using Kmail v1.9.6 unde KDE v3.5.7, under openSuSE v10.3.

> > >

> > > Is there a way to Select a range of lines in this window? I have

> > > tried to drag the mouse cursor while holding down MB1 and various

> > > combinations of CTRL, SHIFT, and ALT, and of course I have

> > > scanned the Kmail documentation for hints, but have been

> > > unsuccessful.

> > >

> > > How is one to select a group of adjacent lines in this window, so

> > > that one can e.g. copy or move them to another folder?

> >

> > Selecting several messages while holding down the LBM (left mouse

> > button) does not work. But the following works:

> >

> > Range selection: Click with LBM on first message of range, click

> > with Shift+LMB on last message of range.

> >

> > Indivial selection: Click with Ctrl+LMB on a message selects this

> > message additionally to other selected messages.

>

> Thank you. I will try these maneuvers next time.

>

> There was an earlier message that suggested a different trick, namely

> CTRL+Shift+UP (or DOWN) to expand a selected range in the respective

> direction.

Yes. That's the keyboard-only way to select a range of messages.

> I did that to define a range of messages, then copied the

> selected messages to a different folder. (I copied rather than moving

> because this was a first experiment, and I wanted to preserve the

> original situation in case there were a failure of any sort.) The

> copy operation succeeded, so I wished to delete the original messages

> from their original location. This disclosed an apparent bug.

>

> What happened was that some, but not all, of the selected messages

> were deleted, and the operation had to be repeated several times in

> order to remove all the selected messages (selected lines in the

> window). All went well in the end, but I do not believe that the

> behavior was what the designer intended, or what a user should have

> to experience. I also do not believe that the designer ever tried

> this maneuver out before releasing the program.

Do you use threading? Were the threads collapsed?

> Not a criticism, you understand, but I have to wonder why the

> designers have not chosen to implement range selection in the same

> way that it is done universally (even in Kmai'sl Message and Compose

> windows), i.e. by holding down MB2 and drawing the mouse cursor over

> the desired range.

For no particular reason. If one of the developers (me included) would have missed it, he would probably have implemented it. But it seems nobody missed it and so we spent our limited time doing other things.

Regards,

Ingo

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[Stan Goodman-3]

At 12:10:39 on Wednesday Wednesday 13 August 2008, Ingo Klöcker
<kloecker@...> wrote:

> On Wednesday 13 August 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:
> > At 22:14:40 on Tuesday Tuesday 12 August 2008, Ingo Klöcker
> >
> > <kloecker@...> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:
> > > > I am using Kmail v1.9.6 unde KDE v3.5.7, under openSuSE v10.3.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to Select a range of lines in this window? I have
> > > > tried to drag the mouse cursor while holding down MB1 and various
> > > > combinations of CTRL, SHIFT, and ALT, and of course I have
> > > > scanned the Kmail documentation for hints, but have been
> > > > unsuccessful.
> > > >
> > > > How is one to select a group of adjacent lines in this window, so
> > > > that one can e.g. copy or move them to another folder?
> > >
> > > Selecting several messages while holding down the LBM (left mouse
> > > button) does not work. But the following works:
> > >
> > > Range selection: Click with LBM on first message of range, click
> > > with Shift+LMB on last message of range.
> > >
> > > Indivial selection: Click with Ctrl+LMB on a message selects this
> > > message additionally to other selected messages.
> >
> > Thank you. I will try these maneuvers next time.
> >
> > There was an earlier message that suggested a different trick, namely
> > CTRL+Shift+UP (or DOWN) to expand a selected range in the respective
> > direction.
>
> Yes. That's the keyboard-only way to select a range of messages.
>
> > I did that to define a range of messages, then copied the
> > selected messages to a different folder. (I copied rather than moving
> > because this was a first experiment, and I wanted to preserve the
> > original situation in case there were a failure of any sort.) The
> > copy operation succeeded, so I wished to delete the original messages
> > from their original location. This disclosed an apparent bug.
> >
> > What happened was that some, but not all, of the selected messages
> > were deleted, and the operation had to be repeated several times in
> > order to remove all the selected messages (selected lines in the
> > window). All went well in the end, but I do not believe that the
> > behavior was what the designer intended, or what a user should have
> > to experience. I also do not believe that the designer ever tried
> > this maneuver out before releasing the program.
>
> Do you use threading? Were the threads collapsed?

I do use threading, though I have been considering doing away with it
normally, and implementing it only when it would be convenient. Usually,
threads are collapses, but I can't guarantee that there were none
expanded at the time. If that was the problem, however, I am much more
comfortable with your implied explanation, because it removes the
behavior from the realm of "mysterious phenomena".

Thank you...
--
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel
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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Wednesday 13 August 2008 10:10, Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> Do you use threading? Were the threads collapsed?

I had completely forgotten that.  It does sound the likely reason.  Stan, open
up your threads before selecting.

Anne
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[Ingo Klöcker]

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On Wednesday 13 August 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

> At 12:10:39 on Wednesday Wednesday 13 August 2008, Ingo Klöcker

> <kloecker@...> wrote:

> > On Wednesday 13 August 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

> > > At 22:14:40 on Tuesday Tuesday 12 August 2008, Ingo Klöcker

> > > <kloecker@...> wrote:

> > > > On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

> > > I did that to define a range of messages, then copied the

> > > selected messages to a different folder. (I copied rather than

> > > moving because this was a first experiment, and I wanted to

> > > preserve the original situation in case there were a failure of

> > > any sort.) The copy operation succeeded, so I wished to delete

> > > the original messages from their original location. This

> > > disclosed an apparent bug.

> > >

> > > What happened was that some, but not all, of the selected

> > > messages were deleted, and the operation had to be repeated

> > > several times in order to remove all the selected messages

> > > (selected lines in the window). All went well in the end, but I

> > > do not believe that the behavior was what the designer intended,

> > > or what a user should have to experience. I also do not believe

> > > that the designer ever tried this maneuver out before releasing

> > > the program.

> >

> > Do you use threading? Were the threads collapsed?

>

> I do use threading, though I have been considering doing away with it

> normally, and implementing it only when it would be convenient.

> Usually, threads are collapses, but I can't guarantee that there were

> none expanded at the time. If that was the problem, however, I am

> much more comfortable with your implied explanation, because it

> removes the behavior from the realm of "mysterious phenomena".

AFAIK, only messages that are currently visible are deleted. So if you select the root message of a collapsed thread and then select Delete Message then only the root message is deleted. Of course, once the root message is gone, the messages immediately below the root message will become visible since they are now top-level messages.

With copying the behavior is different, i.e. if you copy the root message of a collapsed thread, then (AFAIK) the whole thread is copied.

Regards,

Ingo

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[Werner Joss]

Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2008 15:33:10 schrieb Ingo Klöcker:
> With copying the behavior is different, i.e. if you copy the root message
> of a collapsed thread, then (AFAIK) the whole thread is copied.

confirmed - same applies for moving.

werner
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[Roy J. Tellason]

On Wednesday 13 August 2008 03:36, Anne Wilson wrote:
> (1)  Spam is filtered to a separate folder, an I have a toolbar icon for
> delete ( as distinct from move to trash).  I click on the top message, hold
> down shift and click on the bottom one, then click on the icon.  Result -
> empty folder.

How did you set this up?

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ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Wednesday 13 August 2008 10:54, Stan Goodman wrote:
>
> I do use threading, though I have been considering doing away with it
> normally, and implementing it only when it would be convenient. Usually,
> threads are collapses, but I can't guarantee that there were none
> expanded at the time. If that was the problem, however, I am much more
> comfortable with your implied explanation, because it removes the
> behavior from the realm of "mysterious phenomena".
>
Yes, I hate mysteries, too.  I can confirm that if threads are closed only the
messages that are visible get deleted.  I pretty sure that this was your
problem.  I'd just got so usedd to opening threads up before deleting that I
forgot it  until Ingo mentioned it.

Anne
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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Wednesday 13 August 2008 17:43, Roy J. Tellason wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 August 2008 03:36, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > (1)  Spam is filtered to a separate folder, an I have a toolbar icon for
> > delete ( as distinct from move to trash).  I click on the top message,
> > hold down shift and click on the bottom one, then click on the icon.
> > Result - empty folder.
>
> How did you set this up?

In Configure Toolbars.  There are three sections,  two of which are called
Main...... It's the second one where you'll see all the possible entries.  I
make two entries for Full Headers and Fancy Headers, and I put them next to
the back and forward entries, setting up and down arrows for the icons.  BTW,
put your cursor on the icon where you want the new ones to follow, and then
you won't have to move them around.

For the delete, I put my cursor on Trash, then add Delete.  Distros vary, but
most supply an icon for this, either a circle with a cross in it, or a X on a
sheet of paper.

Anne
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