Iron nickel batteries

[Werner Peters]

I have come across an opportunity to acquire a bank of nickel iron
batteries.
Although they are old, they have never been used.

I know nothing about them, except that they came with an electric (factory
made) Chrysler van owned by the EV Society of Canada.

Can someone advise me on..

How to bring them to life,
and how to test them to see whether  they would be a  good choice over
against the low price I may pay for them.

WP
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[Peter VanDerWal]

These are both good brands.  Maybe a slight preference for the GE.

The 10" GE motors used to be very popular among the drag racing folks.

> 1.) 10" GE motor specs are: "Volts 72-144, amp continuous 184/Intermittent
> 750, reversable.
> 2.) Kostov Model #011-010 specs are: 144 volts, amps 192/600 and is
> reversible.
>
> To my untrained eye they look right along the lines of what I want. (was
> looking at the ADC 4001 series)
> Any strong reason to avoid either of them? Also what is a fair used price
> range?
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
>
>
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[Jeff Major]

--- Werner Peters <werner1950@...> wrote:

> I have come across an opportunity to acquire a bank
> of nickel iron
> batteries.
> Although they are old, they have never been used.
>
> I know nothing about them, except that they came
> with an electric (factory
> made) Chrysler van owned by the EV Society of
> Canada.
>
> Can someone advise me on..
>
> How to bring them to life,
> and how to test them to see whether  they would be a
>  good choice over
> against the low price I may pay for them.
>
> WP

Hi Werner,

My guess is Eagle Pitcher brand.  Golf car size, 5
cell, 6 volt.  Original equipment in the Dodge TE Van.
 NiFe batteries are said to have shelf life of like 20
to 30 years.  You can google and find some info.  Also
check the archives.  I had some which I sold to a
couple of guys on this list a few years back.
Chrysler paid on the order of $1800 each.  Pilot
product for Eagle Pitcher I think.  When I sold them,
$25 to $50 each depending on condition.

They need a central hydration (watering) system.  They
use KOH.  May come back with only water.  Might need
to add KOH.  Unknown.  Good batteries.  Long cycle and
calendar life.  Somewhat poor charge efficiency from
what I hear.  And I did some testing and found they
had a fairly high internal resistance, so not good for
high power application.

If you get them, let me know how they work out.  I
still have a couple dozen I want to put to use one of
these days.  Probably as alternative energy
installation at home and not EV.

Regards,

Jeff M



     

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[R Patterson]

These were KOH batteries I believe.  6 volt and 200 amps each seems to
remain in my dehydrated noodle.  Heavy for the amperage they produced
BUT you could put one whopper of a load on them without damaging them.
 The electrodes don't plate out on them like a Pb-acid battery does as
the ion exchange is in the electrolyte itself.  The only maintenance
they need is to ensure the water is topped off in them.  I want to say
the concentration of the KOH was 6M ... my memory is fuzzy here.  I'll
have to check on it.  Got any of them you want to get rid of?  ?:)

Ralph.

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Werner Peters <werner1950@...> wrote:

> I have come across an opportunity to acquire a bank of nickel iron
> batteries.
> Although they are old, they have never been used.
>
> I know nothing about them, except that they came with an electric (factory
> made) Chrysler van owned by the EV Society of Canada.
>
> Can someone advise me on..
>
> How to bring them to life,
> and how to test them to see whether  they would be a  good choice over
> against the low price I may pay for them.
>
> WP
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[Zeke Yewdall]

These are flooded alkaline batteries, just like the NiCad ones.  Not as good
of energy density though, so I think they actually end up being near as
heavy or even heavier than lead acid.  No problems with deep cycling, and
very long.  Somewhat sought after for off-grid PV systems, but not so great
for a mobile application, in my mind, because of the size and weight.
Having said that, without seeing the exact specs, maybe the weight isn't as
bad as I think, if these particular ones were designed for an EV application
to begin with.

Z

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Jeff Major <jff_mjr@...> wrote:

>
> --- Werner Peters <werner1950@...> wrote:
>
> > I have come across an opportunity to acquire a bank
> > of nickel iron
> > batteries.
> > Although they are old, they have never been used.
> >
> > I know nothing about them, except that they came
> > with an electric (factory
> > made) Chrysler van owned by the EV Society of
> > Canada.
> >
> > Can someone advise me on..
> >
> > How to bring them to life,
> > and how to test them to see whether  they would be a
> >  good choice over
> > against the low price I may pay for them.
> >
> > WP
>
> Hi Werner,
>
> My guess is Eagle Pitcher brand.  Golf car size, 5
> cell, 6 volt.  Original equipment in the Dodge TE Van.
>  NiFe batteries are said to have shelf life of like 20
> to 30 years.  You can google and find some info.  Also
> check the archives.  I had some which I sold to a
> couple of guys on this list a few years back.
> Chrysler paid on the order of $1800 each.  Pilot
> product for Eagle Pitcher I think.  When I sold them,
> $25 to $50 each depending on condition.
>
> They need a central hydration (watering) system.  They
> use KOH.  May come back with only water.  Might need
> to add KOH.  Unknown.  Good batteries.  Long cycle and
> calendar life.  Somewhat poor charge efficiency from
> what I hear.  And I did some testing and found they
> had a fairly high internal resistance, so not good for
> high power application.
>
> If you get them, let me know how they work out.  I
> still have a couple dozen I want to put to use one of
> these days.  Probably as alternative energy
> installation at home and not EV.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff M
>
>
>
>
>
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[Ralph-54]

Edison spent 10 years refining NiFe batteries. His battery allowed a better power to weight ratio so he and Ford jointly claimed to have a 100 mile range on their electric, in 1914. Production never occurred as Edison's fireproof. concrete laboratories were burned to the ground 2 weeks after the announcement. It was the end of Edison's career. He choose NiFe because it was lighter, making the range possible. Even though the charging efficiency was a little lower, it does look like they were an improvement over Pb at the time.

-Ralph


On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:35:13 -0600
"Zeke Yewdall" <zyewdall@...> wrote:

> These are flooded alkaline batteries, just like the NiCad ones.  Not as good
> of energy density though, so I think they actually end up being near as
> heavy or even heavier than lead acid.  No problems with deep cycling, and
> very long.  Somewhat sought after for off-grid PV systems, but not so great
> for a mobile application, in my mind, because of the size and weight.
> Having said that, without seeing the exact specs, maybe the weight isn't as
> bad as I think, if these particular ones were designed for an EV application
> to begin with.
>
> Z
>
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Jeff Major <jff_mjr@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > --- Werner Peters <werner1950@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I have come across an opportunity to acquire a bank
> > > of nickel iron
> > > batteries.
> > > Although they are old, they have never been used.
> > >
> > > I know nothing about them, except that they came
> > > with an electric (factory
> > > made) Chrysler van owned by the EV Society of
> > > Canada.
> > >
> > > Can someone advise me on..
> > >
> > > How to bring them to life,
> > > and how to test them to see whether  they would be a
> > >  good choice over
> > > against the low price I may pay for them.
> > >
> > > WP
> >
> > Hi Werner,
> >
> > My guess is Eagle Pitcher brand.  Golf car size, 5
> > cell, 6 volt.  Original equipment in the Dodge TE Van.
> >  NiFe batteries are said to have shelf life of like 20
> > to 30 years.  You can google and find some info.  Also
> > check the archives.  I had some which I sold to a
> > couple of guys on this list a few years back.
> > Chrysler paid on the order of $1800 each.  Pilot
> > product for Eagle Pitcher I think.  When I sold them,
> > $25 to $50 each depending on condition.
> >
> > They need a central hydration (watering) system.  They
> > use KOH.  May come back with only water.  Might need
> > to add KOH.  Unknown.  Good batteries.  Long cycle and
> > calendar life.  Somewhat poor charge efficiency from
> > what I hear.  And I did some testing and found they
> > had a fairly high internal resistance, so not good for
> > high power application.
> >
> > If you get them, let me know how they work out.  I
> > still have a couple dozen I want to put to use one of
> > these days.  Probably as alternative energy
> > installation at home and not EV.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jeff M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Peter Shabino]

Just found 2 used motors for sale

1.) 10" GE motor specs are: "Volts 72-144, amp continuous 184/Intermittent 750, reversable.  
2.) Kostov Model #011-010 specs are: 144 volts, amps 192/600 and is reversible.

To my untrained eye they look right along the lines of what I want. (was looking at the ADC 4001 series)
Any strong reason to avoid either of them? Also what is a fair used price range?

Thanks,
Peter


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[gottdi]

No strong reason at all to avoid either. The Kostov should have  
interpoles. Might be a good choice but then again so is the GE. You  
must decide.

Pete


On May 16, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Peter VanDerWal wrote:

> These are both good brands.  Maybe a slight preference for the GE.
>
> The 10" GE motors used to be very popular among the drag racing folks.
>
>> 1.) 10" GE motor specs are: "Volts 72-144, amp continuous 184/
>> Intermittent
>> 750, reversable.
>> 2.) Kostov Model #011-010 specs are: 144 volts, amps 192/600 and is
>> reversible.
>>
>> To my untrained eye they look right along the lines of what I want.  
>> (was
>> looking at the ADC 4001 series)
>> Any strong reason to avoid either of them? Also what is a fair used  
>> price
>> range?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Peter
>>
>>
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