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Identifying Perspective Issues in CWEAll,
As we've been developing the natural hierarchy, we've started paying more attention to the problem in which CWE supports multiple different perspectives. This is posing challenges for developing the natural hierarchy, but it is also reflected in how tools map to CWE. The purpose of this message is to raise awareness about these challenges, and to solicit feedback from CWE researchers on ways of handling these. Here's a live example to work with. A fairly well-known research team called Security Reason recently released an advisory that maps to a CWE number: CVE-2008-2665 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-2665 PHP 5.2.6 posix_access() (posix ext) safe_mode bypass URL:http://securityreason.com/achievement_securityalert/54 In short, PHP's safe mode feature is a protection mechanism. It is can limit which OS resources can be accessed by a PHP application, such as files or potentially dangerous functions. The PHP interpreter uses an incorrect order of behaviors related to canonicalization, causing its safe mode check to be insufficient. This could allow an attacker to conduct path traversal attacks against applications. Here, Security Reason mapped to CWE-264, which is a Category for "Permissions, Privileges, and Access Controls." They presumably did this mapping because of the emphasis on bypassing safe mode - or, because it's in the NVD Slice, which Bob Martin and I have been advocating as a reasonable mapping system. At any rate, the "safe mode" functionality is the LOCATION of the issue - a protection mechanism intended to provide access control. It is not really talking about WHAT the issue actually is. Many people probably would have mapped this same issue to CWE-22 for path traversal, which is the ultimate consequence. (For those who are interested in chains, notice how path traversal is the end link in this case.) Alternately, you could map to the more generic "protection mechanism failure" (CWE-693), a new entry, which might be regarded as a "property of the consequence," or alternately, an intermediate link in a chain. Then there's another weakness that people often call the "root cause." It appears that some inputs are checked against safe mode, but then those inputs are later canonicalized in a way that generates a result that bypasses safe mode. This is CWE-180, "Incorrect Behavior Order: Validate Before Canonicalize." This entry's perspective is largely based on "code properties" - i.e., it basically involves properties of code that are effectively independent of the types of security problems they introduce (Consider CWE-227, API Abuse, as another example of an entry focused on code properties. The implications of the API abuse will vary widely depending on the functionality and assumptions of the API). So, we have at least 4 potential CWEs that this issue could be mapped to, because each CWE is written from different perspectives, or applies to different parts of the chain. This should have obvious implications for understanding tool capabilities. If one tool maps to CWE-x, and another tool maps to CWE-y, then it will appear like two unrelated problems are being covered, when they might just be different pieces of the same problem. The question becomes, which mapping should tool vendors or researchers use, and in which context? Ideally, we would like mapping to be repeatable, i.e. independent of who's doing the mapping. Should CWE get rid of CWE-264 entirely, since it's a category? Absolutely not! It's a very useful way to group things in a way that reflects how humans think, and essential for some views. And in the CVE/NVD world where you don't have much information, and you only want a couple dozen CWE's to map to, it serves its purpose well. But, neither does CWE-264 belong in the natural hierarchy, because it's not about a specific type of weakness. So, we're moving it out of the natural hierarchy (along with other categories), into a new view that we're informally referring to as a "programming concepts" view. What about defining guidelines that would map to CWE-22 (path traversal)? This is probably how most people would map these days. One could argue that CWE-22 should only be applied in cases where there's a failure to even TRY to prevent '..' and related sequences. In this specific case though, in my personal opinion, the most appropriate mapping is CWE-180, the root cause. So - even if we establish mapping guidelines that say "stay away from categories," a mapper would still be looking at a couple different weaknesses. If we suggest: "stay away from categories AND consequences," then the mapper would (hopefully) arrive at CWE-180 as well. This assumes that the person doing the mapping is following these guidelines, however - which in practice doesn't always happen. Suggesting that a mapper should "find the root cause" might be more useful, but that would require a certain mindset that not all mappers are familiar with, especially if they conduct application vulnerability research. In addition, tools aren't necessarily focused on root causes. If we go in this direction, then we might want to actively discourage mapping to weaknesses that are solely (or primarily) about consequences, such as NULL pointer dereferences. Then there's another possible guideline - "map to everything that matches." This has certain strengths and limitations. It would effectively support audiences with multiple perspectives, so it would be useful for people to understand the general contents of a single tool or repository. But it probably wouldn't work well for a deep analysis of multiple tools. The issues I've discussed are illustrative; I don't expect us to come up with any quick and easy answers. But, now that we're more specifically aware that we have these perspective challenges, we are working on identifying and labeling the different perspectives that are currently being used in CWE. We are currently examining various tool repositories to provide real-world examples for us to work with. This effort won't be complete for the release of CWE 1.0, but I'd like to be able to describe the problem in an understandable way. Any suggestions or concerns are more than welcome, whether to this list or to cwe@.... - Steve |
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Industry Analyst Coverage of CWE As soon as the next version of CWE is released, is there an equivalent
plan to communicate this to Gartner, Forrester and The Burton Group? ************************************************************************* This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************************* |
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Re: Industry Analyst Coverage of CWEHi James,
That would be something we would be interested in doing but probably through direct discussion with specific interested individuals at each organization. Anyone with suggestions on who to work with at these or other such groups or on ideas about how to educate them about CWE please feel free to contact me directly or through this list. We know some of the appropriate people but would welcome suggestions and ideas. Bob Martin CWE Project Leader At 11:57 AM -0400 7/9/08, McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) wrote: > As soon as the next version of CWE is released, is there an equivalent >plan to communicate this to Gartner, Forrester and The Burton Group? > > >************************************************************************* >This communication, including attachments, is >for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, >confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended >recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is >strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify >the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and >destroy all copies. >************************************************************************* |
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RE: Industry Analyst Coverage of CWE You typically start this process by filling out the briefing requests
on each analyst site: http://www.forrester.com/Briefing/Process http://www.burtongroup.com/Contact/VendorBriefing.aspx http://www.gartner.com/it/about/vbriefings_faq.jsp -----Original Message----- From: Robert A. Martin [mailto:ramartin@...] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:24 PM To: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT); cwe-research-list@... Subject: Re: Industry Analyst Coverage of CWE Hi James, That would be something we would be interested in doing but probably through direct discussion with specific interested individuals at each organization. Anyone with suggestions on who to work with at these or other such groups or on ideas about how to educate them about CWE please feel free to contact me directly or through this list. We know some of the appropriate people but would welcome suggestions and ideas. Bob Martin CWE Project Leader At 11:57 AM -0400 7/9/08, McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) wrote: > As soon as the next version of CWE is released, is there an >equivalent plan to communicate this to Gartner, Forrester and The Burton Group? > > >*********************************************************************** >** This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use >of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or >privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any >use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly >prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the >sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and >destroy all copies. >*********************************************************************** >** ************************************************************************* This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************************* |
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