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by tech engr :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,
 
I tried to use EXCLUDE - SOURCE option in our cisco 6400 with IOS ver 12.3.  Using IXIA tester I sent EXCLUDE - SOURCE with ip 10.6.37.2 in multicast group 239.1.1.144.  I have the video server running behind the Cisco router on 10.6.37.2.  We expect the video should not be forwarded to IXIA from 10.6.37.2.  But, It is getting forwarded. 
 
Then, I looked into cisco igmp groups and it says EX group 239.1.1.144 and src 10.6.37.2. Cisco is adding multicast route for this group but, it is not excluding src 10.6.37.2 .  Have you folks ever used EX-SRC option?  Can you please let me know if you guys ever able make this work?
 
Thanks
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Re: IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem

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Hi,
 
Can anyone help me with this ?
 
Steven

tech engr <engqry@...> wrote:
Hi,
 
I tried to use EXCLUDE - SOURCE option in our cisco 6400 with IOS ver 12.3.  Using IXIA tester I sent EXCLUDE - SOURCE with ip 10.6.37.2 in multicast group 239.1.1.144.  I have the video server running behind the Cisco router on 10.6.37.2.  We expect the video should not be forwarded to IXIA from 10.6.37.2.  But, It is getting forwarded. 
 
Then, I looked into cisco igmp groups and it says EX group 239.1.1.144 and src 10.6.37.2. Cisco is adding multicast route for this group but, it is not excluding src 10.6.37.2 .  Have you folks ever used EX-SRC option?  Can you please let me know if you guys ever able make this work?
 
Thanks
Steven

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Re: IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem

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You might have more luck if you talk to the cisco IOS folks.

However, ask yourself how you would translate an EXCLUDE to a PIM join/prune message
And qualify that by remembering that the emphasis for IGMPv3 deployment is for SSM.

Then consider implementation vs the protocol.

Finally, think about a real world scenario where you'd want to receive 
everything except a specific source.

If you really have a case where this is required, then you might want to tell
the IOS folks that their implementation isn't meeting your requirements.

On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:28 AM, tech engr wrote:

Hi,
 
Can anyone help me with this ?
 
Steven

tech engr <engqry@...> wrote:
Hi,
 
I tried to use EXCLUDE - SOURCE option in our cisco 6400 with IOS ver 12.3.  Using IXIA tester I sent EXCLUDE - SOURCE with ip 10.6.37.2 in multicast group 239.1.1.144.  I have the video server running behind the Cisco router on 10.6.37.2.  We expect the video should not be forwarded to IXIA from 10.6.37.2.  But, It is getting forwarded. 
 
Then, I looked into cisco igmp groups and it says EX group 239.1.1.144 and src 10.6.37.2. Cisco is adding multicast route for this group but, it is not excluding src 10.6.37.2 .  Have you folks ever used EX-SRC option?  Can you please let me know if you guys ever able make this work?
 
Thanks
Steven

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Re: IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem

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section 6.3 of RFC 3376, "IGMPv3 Source-Specific Forwarding Rules", outlines the forwarding suggestions the IGMP module should make to the multicast router. in the case of EXCLUDE group record with source records, the table reads:

      Group
Filter-Mode Source Timer Value Action
----------- ------------------ ------

EXCLUDE TIMER > 0 Suggest to forward traffic
from source

EXCLUDE TIMER == 0 Suggest to not forward
traffic from source
(DO NOT remove record)

On 6/5/07, John Zwiebel <jzwiebel@...> wrote:
You might have more luck if you talk to the cisco IOS folks.

However, ask yourself how you would translate an EXCLUDE to a PIM join/prune message
And qualify that by remembering that the emphasis for IGMPv3 deployment is for SSM.

Then consider implementation vs the protocol.

Finally, think about a real world scenario where you'd want to receive 
everything except a specific source.

If you really have a case where this is required, then you might want to tell
the IOS folks that their implementation isn't meeting your requirements.

On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:28 AM, tech engr wrote:

Hi,
 
Can anyone help me with this ?
 
Steven

tech engr <engqry@...> wrote:
Hi,
 
I tried to use EXCLUDE - SOURCE option in our cisco 6400 with IOS ver 12.3.  Using IXIA tester I sent EXCLUDE - SOURCE with ip 10.6.37.2 in multicast group 239.1.1.144.  I have the video server running behind the Cisco router on 10.6.37.2.  We expect the video should not be forwarded to IXIA from 10.6.37.2.  But, It is getting forwarded. 
 
Then, I looked into cisco igmp groups and it says EX group 239.1.1.144 and src 10.6.37.2. Cisco is adding multicast route for this group but, it is not excluding src 10.6.37.2 .  Have you folks ever used EX-SRC option?  Can you please let me know if you guys ever able make this work?
 
Thanks
Steven

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Re: IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem

by John Zwiebel :: Rate this Message:

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On Jun 5, 2007, at 2:28 PM, mighty wrote:

section 6.3 of RFC 3376, "IGMPv3 Source-Specific Forwarding Rules", outlines the forwarding suggestions the IGMP module should make to the multicast router. in the case of EXCLUDE group record with source records, the table reads: 

So???

That has nothing to do with the questions I asked nor with 
the suggestion that tech engineer might want to talk to someone 
other than the folks on this list.

You can prove whatever you like on this list, but that isn't going to get anything changed
nor is it going to make "tech engr"'s testing results change.

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Hi,
 
I looked up the RFC and i am bit confused now.  RFC says EX and Timer > 0 then, suggest to forward traffic from source.  If this is the case, why do we need to define EX - SOURCE mode? what is the purpose of EX - SOURCE group record?  Can you please explain?
 
Thank you
Steven


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section 6.3 of RFC 3376, "IGMPv3 Source-Specific Forwarding Rules", outlines the forwarding suggestions the IGMP module should make to the multicast router. in the case of EXCLUDE group record with source records, the table reads:

      Group
Filter-Mode Source Timer Value Action
----------- ------------------ ------

EXCLUDE TIMER > 0 Suggest to forward traffic
from source

EXCLUDE TIMER == 0 Suggest to not forward
traffic from source
(DO NOT remove record)

On 6/5/07, John Zwiebel <jzwiebel@...> wrote:
You might have more luck if you talk to the cisco IOS folks.

However, ask yourself how you would translate an EXCLUDE to a PIM join/prune message
And qualify that by remembering that the emphasis for IGMPv3 deployment is for SSM.

Then consider implementation vs the protocol.

Finally, think about a real world scenario where you'd want to receive 
everything except a specific source.

If you really have a case where this is required, then you might want to tell
the IOS folks that their implementation isn't meeting your requirements.

On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:28 AM, tech engr wrote:

Hi,
 
Can anyone help me with this ?
 
Steven

tech engr <engqry@...> wrote:
Hi,
 
I tried to use EXCLUDE - SOURCE option in our cisco 6400 with IOS ver 12.3.  Using IXIA tester I sent EXCLUDE - SOURCE with ip 10.6.37.2 in multicast group 239.1.1.144.  I have the video server running behind the Cisco router on 10.6.37.2.  We expect the video should not be forwarded to IXIA from 10.6.37.2.  But, It is getting forwarded. 
 
Then, I looked into cisco igmp groups and it says EX group 239.1.1.144 and src 10.6.37.2. Cisco is adding multicast route for this group but, it is not excluding src 10.6.37.2 .  Have you folks ever used EX-SRC option?  Can you please let me know if you guys ever able make this work?
 
Thanks
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Re: IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem

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John,
 
I am genuinely curious about this issue.  I am not suggesting anything here?  I don't know about PIM join/prune?  I am starting on multicast?  Why do you have to be rude if someone wants to learn something.
 
Steven


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On Jun 5, 2007, at 2:28 PM, mighty wrote:

section 6.3 of RFC 3376, "IGMPv3 Source-Specific Forwarding Rules", outlines the forwarding suggestions the IGMP module should make to the multicast router. in the case of EXCLUDE group record with source records, the table reads: 

So???

That has nothing to do with the questions I asked nor with 
the suggestion that tech engineer might want to talk to someone 
other than the folks on this list.

You can prove whatever you like on this list, but that isn't going to get anything changed
nor is it going to make "tech engr"'s testing results change.


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Re: IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem

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you asked "how you would translate an EXCLUDE to a PIM join/prune message" with the non-binding caveat "IGMPv3 deployment is for SSM"... according to the contents of the table in section 6.3 of RFC 3376, an EXCLUDE'd source is translated by the IGMP module as a suggestion to the multicast router to "not forward traffic from the source". i wasn't commenting on any other suggestion(s).\

On 6/5/07, John Zwiebel <jzwiebel@...> wrote:

On Jun 5, 2007, at 2:28 PM, mighty wrote:

section 6.3 of RFC 3376, "IGMPv3 Source-Specific Forwarding Rules", outlines the forwarding suggestions the IGMP module should make to the multicast router. in the case of EXCLUDE group record with source records, the table reads:  

So???

That has nothing to do with the questions I asked nor with 
the suggestion that tech engineer might want to talk to someone 
other than the folks on this list.

You can prove whatever you like on this list, but that isn't going to get anything changed
nor is it going to make "tech engr"'s testing results change.


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Re: IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem

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"TIMER > 0" refers to "Source Timer Value", and section 6.2.3 of RFC
3376 explains that

If a source record has a running timer with a router filter-mode for
the group of EXCLUDE, it means that at least one system desires the
source.  It should therefore be forwarded by a router on the network.

On 6/5/07, tech engr <engqry@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I looked up the RFC and i am bit confused now.  RFC says EX and Timer > 0 then, suggest to forward traffic from source.  If this is the case, why do we need to define EX - SOURCE mode? what is the purpose of EX - SOURCE group record?  Can you please explain?
>
> Thank you
> Steven
>
>   ________________________________
  From: mighty [mailto:mighty.fine@...]

> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: John Zwiebel
> Cc: magma@...
> Subject: Re: [magma] IGMPv3  EXCLUDE filter Source problem
>
>
>
> section 6.3 of RFC 3376, "IGMPv3 Source-Specific Forwarding Rules", outlines the forwarding suggestions the IGMP module should make to the multicast router. in the case of EXCLUDE group record with source records, the table reads:
>
>       Group
>       Filter-Mode    Source Timer Value    Action
>       -----------    ------------------    ------
>
>       EXCLUDE        TIMER > 0             Suggest to forward traffic
>                                            from source
>
>       EXCLUDE        TIMER == 0            Suggest to not forward
>                                            traffic from source
>                                            (DO NOT remove record)
>
>
>
> On 6/5/07, John Zwiebel <jzwiebel@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You might have more luck if you talk to the cisco IOS folks.
> >
> >
> > However, ask yourself how you would translate an EXCLUDE to a PIM join/prune message
> > And qualify that by remembering that the emphasis for IGMPv3 deployment is for SSM.
> >
> >
> > Then consider implementation vs the protocol.
> >
> >
> > Finally, think about a real world scenario where you'd want to receive
> > everything except a specific source.
> >
> >
> > If you really have a case where this is required, then you might want to tell
> > the IOS folks that their implementation isn't meeting your requirements.
> >
> >
> > On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:28 AM, tech engr wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can anyone help me with  this ?
> >
> > Steven
> >
> > tech engr < engqry@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I tried to use EXCLUDE - SOURCE option in our cisco 6400 with IOS ver 12.3.  Using IXIA tester I sent EXCLUDE - SOURCE with ip 10.6.37.2 in multicast group 239.1.1.144.  I have the video server running behind the Cisco router on 10.6.37.2.  We expect the video should not be forwarded to IXIA from 10.6.37.2.  But, It is getting forwarded.
> >
> > Then, I looked into cisco igmp groups and it says EX group 239.1.1.144 and src 10.6.37.2. Cisco is adding multicast route for this group but, it is not excluding src 10.6.37.2 .  Have you folks ever used EX-SRC option?  Can you please let me know if you guys ever able make this work?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Steven
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Re: IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem

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Thank you for your response.  I read section 6.3 couple of times.  I understand that multicast router will make the decision on wether to forward traffic?  Here the source timer we are referring is in EX -SRC timer. 
 
Lets see an example of Router R and client C.  If the multicast client wants to avoid SRC-A it will keep sending membership reports with EX-SRC-A to Router R.  So, the EX-SRC-A timer will never get expired as long as Client C sends membership reports.  Unfortunately, it keep receiving traffic and  No other client on this network wants SRC-A.
 
So, in this configuration, where is the " least one system desires the source"?  Does this mean Multicast router made the decision to forward traffic overiding IGMP information?  Can you please explain?
 
Thank you

mighty <mighty.fine@...> wrote:
"TIMER > 0" refers to "Source Timer Value", and section 6.2.3 of RFC
3376 explains that

If a source record has a running timer with a router filter-mode for
the group of EXCLUDE, it means that at least one system desires the
source. It should therefore be forwarded by a router on the network.

On 6/5/07, tech engr wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I looked up the RFC and i am bit confused now. RFC says EX and Timer > 0 then, suggest to forward traffic from source. If this is the case, why do we need to define EX - SOURCE mode? what is the purpose of EX - SOURCE group record? Can you please explain?
>
> Thank you
> Steven
>
> ________________________________
From: mighty [mailto:mighty.fine@...]

> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: John Zwiebel
> Cc: magma@...
> Subject: Re: [magma] IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem
>
>
>
> section 6.3 of RFC 3376, "IGMPv3 Source-Specific Forwarding Rules", outlines the forwarding suggestions the IGMP module should make to the multicast router. in the case of EXCLUDE group record with source records, the table reads:
>
> Group
> Filter-Mode Source Timer Value Action
> ----------- ------------------ ------
>
> EXCLUDE TIMER > 0 Suggest to forward traffic
> from source
>
> EXCLUDE TIMER == 0 Suggest to not forward
> traffic from source
> (DO NOT remove record)
>
>
>
> On 6/5/07, John Zwiebel wrote:
> >
> >
> > You might have more luck if you talk to the cisco IOS folks.
> >
> >
> > However, ask yourself how you would translate an EXCLUDE to a PIM join/prune message
> > And qualify that by remembering that the emphasis for IGMPv3 deployment is for SSM.
> >
> >
> > Then consider implementation vs the protocol.
> >
> >
> > Finally, think about a real world scenario where you'd want to receive
> > everything except a specific source.
> >
> >
> > If you really have a case where this is required, then you might want to tell
> > the IOS folks that their implementation isn't meeting your requirements.
> >
> >
> > On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:28 AM, tech engr wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can anyone help me with this ?
> >
> > Steven
> >
> > tech engr < engqry@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I tried to use EXCLUDE - SOURCE option in our cisco 6400 with IOS ver 12.3. Using IXIA tester I sent EXCLUDE - SOURCE with ip 10.6.37.2 in multicast group 239.1.1.144. I have the video server running behind the Cisco router on 10.6.37.2. We expect the video should not be forwarded to IXIA from 10.6.37.2. But, It is getting forwarded.
> >
> > Then, I looked into cisco igmp groups and it says EX group 239.1.1.144 and src 10.6.37.2. Cisco is adding multicast route for this group but, it is not excluding src 10.6.37.2 . Have you folks ever used EX-SRC option? Can you please let me know if you guys ever able make this work?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Steven
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Re: IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem

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sending IS_EX(A) reports will not set / refresh the source timer for
A. see section 6.4 for the prescribed actions on source timers during
the receipt of the various reports.

On 6/5/07, tech engr <engqry@...> wrote:

> Thank you for your response.  I read section 6.3 couple of times.  I
> understand that multicast router will make the decision on wether to forward
> traffic?  Here the source timer we are referring is in EX -SRC timer.
>
> Lets see an example of Router R and client C.  If the multicast client wants
> to avoid SRC-A it will keep sending membership reports with EX-SRC-A to
> Router R.  So, the EX-SRC-A timer will never get expired as long as Client C
> sends membership reports.  Unfortunately, it keep receiving traffic and  No
> other client on this network wants SRC-A.
>
> So, in this configuration, where is the " least one system desires the
> source"?  Does this mean Multicast router made the decision to forward
> traffic overiding IGMP information?  Can you please explain?
>
> Thank you
>
> mighty <mighty.fine@...> wrote:
> "TIMER > 0" refers to "Source Timer Value", and section 6.2.3 of RFC
> 3376 explains that
>
> If a source record has a running timer with a router filter-mode for
> the group of EXCLUDE, it means that at least one system desires the
> source. It should therefore be forwarded by a router on the network.
>
> On 6/5/07, tech engr wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I looked up the RFC and i am bit confused now. RFC says EX and Timer > 0
> then, suggest to forward traffic from source. If this is the case, why do we
> need to define EX - SOURCE mode? what is the purpose of EX - SOURCE group
> record? Can you please explain?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Steven
> >
> > ________________________________
> From: mighty [mailto:mighty.fine@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:29 PM
> > To: John Zwiebel
> > Cc: magma@...
> > Subject: Re: [magma] IGMPv3 EXCLUDE filter Source problem
> >
> >
> >
> > section 6.3 of RFC 3376, "IGMPv3 Source-Specific Forwarding Rules",
> outlines the forwarding suggestions the IGMP module should make to the
> multicast router. in the case of EXCLUDE group record with source records,
> the table reads:
> >
> > Group
> > Filter-Mode Source Timer Value Action
> > ----------- ------------------ ------
> >
> > EXCLUDE TIMER > 0 Suggest to forward traffic
> > from source
> >
> > EXCLUDE TIMER == 0 Suggest to not forward
> > traffic from source
> > (DO NOT remove record)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/5/07, John Zwiebel wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > You might have more luck if you talk to the cisco IOS folks.
> > >
> > >
> > > However, ask yourself how you would translate an EXCLUDE to a PIM
> join/prune message
> > > And qualify that by remembering that the emphasis for IGMPv3 deployment
> is for SSM.
> > >
> > >
> > > Then consider implementation vs the protocol.
> > >
> > >
> > > Finally, think about a real world scenario where you'd want to receive
> > > everything except a specific source.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you really have a case where this is required, then you might want to
> tell
> > > the IOS folks that their implementation isn't meeting your requirements.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:28 AM, tech engr wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Can anyone help me with this ?
> > >
> > > Steven
> > >
> > > tech engr < engqry@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I tried to use EXCLUDE - SOURCE option in our cisco 6400 with IOS ver
> 12.3. Using IXIA tester I sent EXCLUDE - SOURCE with ip 10.6.37.2 in
> multicast group 239.1.1.144. I have the video server running behind the
> Cisco router on 10.6.37.2. We expect the video should not be forwarded to
> IXIA from 10.6.37.2. But, It is getting forwarded.
> > >
> > > Then, I looked into cisco igmp groups and it says EX group 239.1.1.144
> and src 10.6.37.2. Cisco is adding multicast route for this group but, it is
> not excluding src 10.6.37.2 . Have you folks ever used EX-SRC option? Can
> you please let me know if you guys ever able make this work?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Steven
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