How was Sun Tech Days?

[Miguel Paraz]

Had a good one?

[Orlando Andico]

There were a lot of people... overflow crowd, even though it was not free!

The agenda was sorely tempting to a gearhead like me. Particularly the
DTrace, Sun Studio topics. They also had the obligatory Netbeans,
Spring, etc. etc. I just had some engagements so I could not attend.

However, although gearhead me was highly attracted to the topics,
moneygrubber me was wondering how Sun intends to make money off all of
this software which is Free.....



On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Miguel Paraz <mparaz@...> wrote:
> Had a good one?



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Orlando Andico
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[Paolo Enrico Melendres]

--- In pinoyjug@..., "Miguel Paraz" <mparaz@...> wrote:
>
> Had a good one?
>

i thought it was a success.  got me thinking if there really was a
shortage of java developers in the country  =)

biggest eye opener for me was how much netbeans has improved.  makes
me wonder if eclipse has become complacent in recent years (just like
netbeans was several years back).

from what i remember the loudest "oooohhh"'s and "aaaahhhh"'s came
from the javafx demo and the guy who won the talent show who could
make his muscles jiggle to the beat

[Daniel Jabonete]

The topics was good, including the speakers...

Organizers, failed to organize this event in any angle hands down.

Fees, expensive for that kind of event - its somewhat of making money out of
these enthusiast developers

Freebies & Souvenirs, these are one of the factors why I spend some time to
attend once again nothing good to share.


On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Paolo Enrico Melendres <
pamelendres@...> wrote:

>   --- In pinoyjug@... <pinoyjug%40yahoogroups.com>, "Miguel
> Paraz" <mparaz@...> wrote:
> >
> > Had a good one?
> >
>
> i thought it was a success. got me thinking if there really was a
> shortage of java developers in the country =)
>
> biggest eye opener for me was how much netbeans has improved. makes
> me wonder if eclipse has become complacent in recent years (just like
> netbeans was several years back).
>
> from what i remember the loudest "oooohhh"'s and "aaaahhhh"'s came
> from the javafx demo and the guy who won the talent show who could
> make his muscles jiggle to the beat
>
>  
>

[Ronald Tagra]

On 6/20/08, Orlando Andico <orly.andico@...> wrote:

>
> However, although gearhead me was highly attracted to the topics,
> moneygrubber me was wondering how Sun intends to make money off all of
> this software which is Free.....
>





1) Create Netbeans for free, more people will use it, more devs will join
2) With the help of Sun, Neatbeans will comply new specs and JSRs, and more
devs will join
3) Netbeans will integrate with Sun application servers and MySQL seamlessly
4) Integrate Sun app server and MySQL with Solaris
5) Buy more Sun harware with Solaris, AppServer and MySQL and paid supports
6) Money



>   On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Miguel Paraz <mparaz@...<mparaz%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > Had a good one?
>
> --
> Orlando Andico
> +63.2.976.8659 | +63.920.903.0335
>
>



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[mykol]

You got that right. Netbeans is starting to look more and more attractive,
with the apparent seamless bundling of frameworks all in the IDE.

Yeah, the event is a success, judging from the number of attendees (or
delegates as the id says). The biggest theme is probably "Sun is Open
Source" which they kept pounding over and over the heads of the delegates :p

Another topic that had a brief cameo is cloud computing. Sun's gearing up
for this space via network.com. I thought it's a direct competitor to Amazon
web services, Google AppEngine, and/or local provider Morph. Quick glance at
the site made me think otherwise.



On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Paolo Enrico Melendres <
pamelendres@...> wrote:

>   --- In pinoyjug@... <pinoyjug%40yahoogroups.com>, "Miguel
> Paraz" <mparaz@...> wrote:
> >
> > Had a good one?
> >
>
> i thought it was a success. got me thinking if there really was a
> shortage of java developers in the country =)
>
> biggest eye opener for me was how much netbeans has improved. makes
> me wonder if eclipse has become complacent in recent years (just like
> netbeans was several years back).
>
> from what i remember the loudest "oooohhh"'s and "aaaahhhh"'s came
> from the javafx demo and the guy who won the talent show who could
> make his muscles jiggle to the beat
>
>  
>

[Orlando Andico]

This is all very well and good. I still am having trouble relating. I
am glad that Sun is really pushing that they are Open-Source, but
given their size I don't think they can build a sustainable business
on it.

Just look at the relative revenue of Red Hat (arguably the most
successful open-source vendor) with $400M in revenue; versus Sun with
$13B in revenue (but "only" $500M in net income). It would seem that
you cannot run a $13-Billion dollar business on Open Source.

OT: Ronald, I believe we played a few games of GNU Chess over a decade
ago! your name sounds familiar, I believe you were at MSU-IIT?


On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Ronald Tagra <kamsky@...> wrote:
..
> 1) Create Netbeans for free, more people will use it, more devs will join
> 2) With the help of Sun, Neatbeans will comply new specs and JSRs, and more
> devs will join
> 3) Netbeans will integrate with Sun application servers and MySQL seamlessly
> 4) Integrate Sun app server and MySQL with Solaris
> 5) Buy more Sun harware with Solaris, AppServer and MySQL and paid supports
> 6) Money



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Orlando Andico
+63.2.976.8659 | +63.920.903.0335

[Ronald Tagra]

Here are also good answers for that:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9757417-7.html


OT: close enough. I am from USC-TC and  I asked you to compile the GNU Free
chess server (ICS) with solaris source code for Linux. That was 1995
with Linux 1.xxx.
Your claim to fame is your were a C junkie and I dont remember we played
chess, Beavis.

On 6/20/08, Orlando Andico <orly.andico@...> wrote:

>
>   This is all very well and good. I still am having trouble relating. I
> am glad that Sun is really pushing that they are Open-Source, but
> given their size I don't think they can build a sustainable business
> on it.
>
> Just look at the relative revenue of Red Hat (arguably the most
> successful open-source vendor) with $400M in revenue; versus Sun with
> $13B in revenue (but "only" $500M in net income). It would seem that
> you cannot run a $13-Billion dollar business on Open Source.
>
> OT: Ronald, I believe we played a few games of GNU Chess over a decade
> ago! your name sounds familiar, I believe you were at MSU-IIT?
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Ronald Tagra <kamsky@...<kamsky%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> ..
> > 1) Create Netbeans for free, more people will use it, more devs will join
> > 2) With the help of Sun, Neatbeans will comply new specs and JSRs, and
> more
> > devs will join
> > 3) Netbeans will integrate with Sun application servers and MySQL
> seamlessly
> > 4) Integrate Sun app server and MySQL with Solaris
> > 5) Buy more Sun harware with Solaris, AppServer and MySQL and paid
> supports
> > 6) Money
>
> --
> Orlando Andico
> +63.2.976.8659 | +63.920.903.0335
>
>

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[Orlando Andico]

Schwartz will say anything. He claims their software revenue went up
13% after they starting giving it away. Good for them, but exactly how
much of their revenue comes from software? I would guess, very little.
Their margins are in the 5% range as opposed to 25% plus for most
software companies, so it's obvious that most of their money comes
from hardware sales, support, and consulting.

But this is getting OT [I should relocate to PLUG]


On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Ronald Tagra <kamsky@...> wrote:
> Here are also good answers for that:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9757417-7.html
--
Orlando Andico
+63.2.976.8659 | +63.920.903.0335

[Eliseo B. Herrera Jr.]

Did anyone get those Duke (the Java mascot) souvenirs? (e.g.
AI/programmable Duke dolls/robots/stuffed toys, Duke multimedia
players, PDAs, gPhone accessories, Duke USB flash RAM, Duke T-shirts,
high tech ballpoint pens, etc.) ;-)
 
--- In pinoyjug@..., "Orlando Andico" <orly.andico@...> wrote:

>
> Schwartz will say anything. He claims their software revenue went up
> 13% after they starting giving it away. Good for them, but exactly how
> much of their revenue comes from software? I would guess, very little.
> Their margins are in the 5% range as opposed to 25% plus for most
> software companies, so it's obvious that most of their money comes
> from hardware sales, support, and consulting.
>
> But this is getting OT [I should relocate to PLUG]
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Ronald Tagra <kamsky@...> wrote:
> > Here are also good answers for that:
> >
> > http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9757417-7.html
> --
> Orlando Andico
> +63.2.976.8659 | +63.920.903.0335
>

[Mike-391]

I wish I attended all the tracks and won the two workstations as well as the
N95. The venue was overcrowded and the organizers failed to anticipate
everyone going to the most popular track. Sang Shin was a great speaker but
I liked the guy who spoke about MySQL. He was funny even without trying to
be. I felt bad listening to the stuttering speaker. He is an obviously great
developer but I had trouble listening to him speak "ac-ac-activate".

OT: Does netbeans have the ctrl+alt+up/down function that eclipse has that
moves a selected line up or down? It's all I need to migrate to netbeans.

Sun has opensourced its software and Spolsky mentioned that was a tactic to
sell hardware but Sun has now opensourced its hardware (chip architecture?)
and I don't think there's a lot of money to be made in tech support now that
there are forums for every conceivable problem.

2 cents.

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Eliseo B. Herrera Jr. <
junel.herrera@...> wrote:

>   Did anyone get those Duke (the Java mascot) souvenirs? (e.g.
> AI/programmable Duke dolls/robots/stuffed toys, Duke multimedia
> players, PDAs, gPhone accessories, Duke USB flash RAM, Duke T-shirts,
> high tech ballpoint pens, etc.) ;-)
>
>
> --- In pinoyjug@... <pinoyjug%40yahoogroups.com>, "Orlando
> Andico" <orly.andico@...> wrote:
> >
> > Schwartz will say anything. He claims their software revenue went up
> > 13% after they starting giving it away. Good for them, but exactly how
> > much of their revenue comes from software? I would guess, very little.
> > Their margins are in the 5% range as opposed to 25% plus for most
> > software companies, so it's obvious that most of their money comes
> > from hardware sales, support, and consulting.
> >
> > But this is getting OT [I should relocate to PLUG]
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Ronald Tagra <kamsky@...> wrote:
> > > Here are also good answers for that:
> > >
> > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9757417-7.html
> > --
> > Orlando Andico
> > +63.2.976.8659 | +63.920.903.0335
> >
>
>  
>

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XXXV QVVX

[Gideon Guillen]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mike <mustamike@...> wrote:
> Sun has opensourced its software and Spolsky mentioned that was a tactic to
> sell hardware but Sun has now opensourced its hardware (chip architecture?)
> and I don't think there's a lot of money to be made in tech support now that
> there are forums for every conceivable problem.

Even if Sun open sourced their UltraSPARC processors, how many
organizations are capable of fabricating UltraSPARC processors? Maybe
the only ones who are capable of doing that are the ones contracted by
Sun to manufacture those processors. Even Intel and AMD won't be able
to manufacture UltraSPARC processors without months or even years of
calibrating their own processor fabrication facilities. And the
UltraSPARC/OpenSPARC might have some patents that require licensing
from Sun if you're going to use the tech on non-OpenSPARC procssors.
The only reason you want to open source your hardware is to encourage
software vendors to write software (including new operating systems)
and software development tools (compilers, etc) that take full
advantage of the features of your processor.

--
Gideon N. Guillen
gideong@...

[Orlando Andico]

This is not correct. The Sun processor designs are in VHDL format and
any fab with the right process can manufacture them.

Sun is a "fabless" company like Nvidia or MIPS in that they provide
the design, but third parties (like IBM, Texas Instruments, Taiwan
Semicon, or Fujitsu) actually manufacture the chips.

Past Sun processors were manufactured by TI and Fujitsu. I would not
be surprised if current ones are, as well.


On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Gideon Guillen <gideong@...> wrote:
> Even Intel and AMD won't be able
> to manufacture UltraSPARC processors without months or even years of
> calibrating their own processor fabrication facilities. And the
> UltraSPARC/OpenSPARC might have some patents that require licensing
> from Sun if you're going to use the tech on non-OpenSPARC procssors.

[Randell Benavidez]

Medyo late... http://randell.ph/geeky/2008/07/07/sun-tech-days-2008-manila/

On 6/23/08, Orlando Andico <orly.andico@...> wrote:

>
>   This is not correct. The Sun processor designs are in VHDL format and
> any fab with the right process can manufacture them.
>
> Sun is a "fabless" company like Nvidia or MIPS in that they provide
> the design, but third parties (like IBM, Texas Instruments, Taiwan
> Semicon, or Fujitsu) actually manufacture the chips.
>
> Past Sun processors were manufactured by TI and Fujitsu. I would not
> be surprised if current ones are, as well.
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Gideon Guillen <gideong@...<gideong%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > Even Intel and AMD won't be able
> > to manufacture UltraSPARC processors without months or even years of
> > calibrating their own processor fabrication facilities. And the
> > UltraSPARC/OpenSPARC might have some patents that require licensing
> > from Sun if you're going to use the tech on non-OpenSPARC procssors.
>  
>

[vergil santos]

great blog =) very informative and appealing, thanks!

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Randell <josephrandell.benavidez@...> wrote:
From: Randell <josephrandell.benavidez@...>
Subject: Re: [pinoyjug] Re: How was Sun Tech Days?
To: pinoyjug@...
Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 11:04 PM










   
            Medyo late... http://randell. ph/geeky/ 2008/07/07/ sun-tech- days-2008- manila/

On 6/23/08, Orlando Andico <orly.andico@ gmail.com> wrote:
















   
            This is not correct. The Sun processor designs are in VHDL format and

any fab with the right process can manufacture them.



Sun is a "fabless" company like Nvidia or MIPS in that they provide

the design, but third parties (like IBM, Texas Instruments, Taiwan

Semicon, or Fujitsu) actually manufacture the chips.



Past Sun processors were manufactured by TI and Fujitsu. I would not

be surprised if current ones are, as well.



On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Gideon Guillen <gideong@gmail. com> wrote:

> Even Intel and AMD won't be able

> to manufacture UltraSPARC processors without months or even years of

> calibrating their own processor fabrication facilities. And the

> UltraSPARC/OpenSPAR C might have some patents that require licensing

> from Sun if you're going to use the tech on non-OpenSPARC procssors.