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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
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M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> Ray St. Marie wrote: >>>> http://colorforthray.info/XcolorForth.tar.gz >>>> >>>> Smiles. :) >>>> >>> Well ... I got it ... and GLColorForth. But neither one compiles. The >>> "as" assembler is choking on the "push", "pop" and "call" op codes. So >>> ... off to Google. ;( >>> >> >> >> Isn't Xcolorforth NASM? >> > The "compile" script says "as". But I think I'll try NASM and see what > happens. :) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > NASM chokes more spectacularly than "as". --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by Ray St. Marie
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sweet. :-)
On Jan 20, 2008 8:28 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@...> wrote: > > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > > Ray St. Marie wrote: > >>>> http://colorforthray.info/XcolorForth.tar.gz > >>>> > >>>> Smiles. :) > >>>> > >>> Well ... I got it ... and GLColorForth. But neither one compiles. The > >>> "as" assembler is choking on the "push", "pop" and "call" op codes. So > >>> ... off to Google. ;( > >>> > >> > >> > >> Isn't Xcolorforth NASM? > >> > > The "compile" script says "as". But I think I'll try NASM and see what > > happens. :) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > > > > NASM chokes more spectacularly than "as". > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > -- Raymond St. Marie ii, --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
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Ray St. Marie wrote:
> sweet. :-) > > On Jan 20, 2008 8:28 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@...> wrote: >> M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >>> Ray St. Marie wrote: >>>>>> http://colorforthray.info/XcolorForth.tar.gz >>>>>> >>>>>> Smiles. :) >>>>>> >>>>> Well ... I got it ... and GLColorForth. But neither one compiles. The >>>>> "as" assembler is choking on the "push", "pop" and "call" op codes. So >>>>> ... off to Google. ;( >>>>> >>>> >>>> Isn't Xcolorforth NASM? >>>> >>> The "compile" script says "as". But I think I'll try NASM and see what >>> happens. :) >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... >>> For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... >>> Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com >>> >>> >> NASM chokes more spectacularly than "as". >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... >> For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... >> Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com >> >> > > > Plan B: Load FreeDOS in a VMware virtual machine and bring up the COLOR.COM executable. Then I can make a virtual floppy image and I'm on the air. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
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M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> Plan B: Load FreeDOS in a VMware virtual machine and bring up the > COLOR.COM executable. Then I can make a virtual floppy image and I'm on > the air. Forgot to mention "dosemu" croaked trying to execute COLOR.COM. :( --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by Gwenhwyfaer
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It would. It's a virtualisation, not an emulator. Try qemu or dosbox -
indeed, I know there's a qemu boot image out there somewhere. On 21/01/2008, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@...> wrote: > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > > Plan B: Load FreeDOS in a VMware virtual machine and bring up the > > COLOR.COM executable. Then I can make a virtual floppy image and I'm on > > the air. > > Forgot to mention "dosemu" croaked trying to execute COLOR.COM. :( > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
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Gwenhwyfaer wrote:
> It would. It's a virtualisation, not an emulator. Try qemu or dosbox - > indeed, I know there's a qemu boot image out there somewhere. > > On 21/01/2008, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@...> wrote: >> M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >>> Plan B: Load FreeDOS in a VMware virtual machine and bring up the >>> COLOR.COM executable. Then I can make a virtual floppy image and I'm on >>> the air. >> Forgot to mention "dosemu" croaked trying to execute COLOR.COM. :( >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... >> For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... >> Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > Well ... I got the images (ISO and floppy) from the Sourceforge site. They boot up in VMware but all I get is a blank white screen. I'm about to send email to the GLColorForth creator to see if he can help with the assembler stuff. I also think I'm going to try booting the floppy on my Toshiba Libretto 70. :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by Terry Loveall
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I haven't updated my web site for some time:
http://modest-proposals.com/ which has 800x600 colorForth 2.0, qemu and some instructions: http://modest-proposals.com/ModProg.htm and then my (outofdate) colorForth reference page: http://modest-proposals.com/c4index.htm Regards, Terry On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:01:25 -0800 "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> wrote: > Gwenhwyfaer wrote: > > It would. It's a virtualisation, not an emulator. Try qemu or dosbox - > > indeed, I know there's a qemu boot image out there somewhere. > > > > On 21/01/2008, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@...> wrote: > >> M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > >>> Plan B: Load FreeDOS in a VMware virtual machine and bring up the > >>> COLOR.COM executable. Then I can make a virtual floppy image and I'm on > >>> the air. > >> Forgot to mention "dosemu" croaked trying to execute COLOR.COM. :( > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > >> For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > >> Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > > > > Well ... I got the images (ISO and floppy) from the Sourceforge site. > They boot up in VMware but all I get is a blank white screen. I'm about > to send email to the GLColorForth creator to see if he can help with the > assembler stuff. I also think I'm going to try booting the floppy on my > Toshiba Libretto 70. :) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Quoting Gwenhwyfaer <gwenhwyfaer@...>:
> On 20/01/2008, Jeff Fox <fox@...> > wrote: > > Did you follow the details of the synthesis that > was demonstrated > > at Forth Day on the SEAforth chips and the > performance comparisons > > to Pentium and Yamaha synthesizer chip > implementations? > > No, I didn't. Is there anything to which you can > refer me? > http://www.falvotech.com/blog/index.php?/archives/200-Forth-Day-Report.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: > colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > -- Dr Nicolas George Maroudas Avigdor Meiri 9/1 Sea View Haifa 3 55 00 Israel Tel +972 048 337 315 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Quoting Jeff Fox <fox@...>:
> > Jeff Fox wrote: > Colorforth and variations have been done stand-alone, > DOS, Windows, > and Linux on PCs and stand-alone or hosted on other > hardware. [snip] If I can get them to release the lastest > version that > Chuck and his team are using along with some of the > nice > manuals it might make it easier. I think it is > overdue. > Nick here: Overdue indeed. More power to your elbow, Jeff - and thanks for releasing CF05 for us to chew on. That's the sort of thing that makes Linux so popular: documentation and bridging the gap between different levels of programming skill. Caritas, Nick Maroudas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Quoting Terry Loveall <loveall@...>:
> I haven't updated my web site for some time: > http://modest-proposals.com/ > > which has 800x600 colorForth 2.0, qemu and some > instructions: > http://modest-proposals.com/ModProg.htm > > > Regards, > Terry > >Nick here: Thanks, Terry, for above CF 2.0. I'd lost (to earn his crust) a programmer has to deal with much more than the CPU - and pointing out that Charles Moore uses WinSoft a lot. So, what do you think of using a normal PC as host to a SeaForth thumb drive - with the PC supplying all the run of the mill applications and SeaForth supplying the special forces? Caritas, Nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Quoting Terry Loveall <loveall@...>:
> I haven't updated my web site for some time: > http://modest-proposals.com/ > > which has 800x600 colorForth 2.0, qemu and some > instructions: > http://modest-proposals.com/ModProg.htm > > > Regards, > Terry > >Nick here: Thanks, Terry, for above CF 2.0. I'd lost (to earn his crust) a programmer has to deal with much more than the CPU - and pointing out that Charles Moore uses WinSoft a lot. So, what do you think of using a normal PC as host to a SeaForth thumb drive - with the PC supplying all the run of the mill applications and SeaForth supplying the special forces? Caritas, Nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Quoting Terry Loveall <loveall@...>:
> I haven't updated my web site for some time: > http://modest-proposals.com/ > > which has 800x600 colorForth 2.0, qemu and some > instructions: > http://modest-proposals.com/ModProg.htm > > > Regards, > Terry > >Nick here: Thanks, Terry, for above CF 2.0. I'd lost (to earn his crust) a programmer has to deal with much more than the CPU - and pointing out that Charles Moore uses WinSoft a lot. So, what do you think of using a normal PC as host to a SeaForth thumb drive - with the PC supplying all the run of the mill applications and SeaForth supplying the special forces? Caritas, Nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Quoting Terry Loveall <loveall@...>:
> I haven't updated my web site for some time: > http://modest-proposals.com/ > > which has 800x600 colorForth 2.0, qemu and some > instructions: > http://modest-proposals.com/ModProg.htm > > > Regards, > Terry > >Nick here: Thanks, Terry, for above CF 2.0. I'd lost (to earn his crust) a programmer has to deal with much more than the CPU - and pointing out that Charles Moore uses WinSoft a lot. So, what do you think of using a normal PC as host to a SeaForth thumb drive - with the PC supplying all the run of the mill applications and SeaForth supplying the special forces? Caritas, Nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Hello - and where to begin?
by Terry Loveall
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Nick,
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:04:55 +0200 Nick Maroudas <alice@...> wrote: <snip> > Nick here: Thanks, Terry, for above CF 2.0. I'd lost > track of you lately but I remember you once saying that > (to earn his crust) a programmer has to deal with much > more than the CPU - and pointing out that Charles Moore > uses WinSoft a lot. I've never gone away, just haven't been active with colorForth. See my main web-site for the latest (compressed writable ext2 file system patch: "Two Pounds In A One Pound Bag"). colorForth is probably the optimal human/computer interface, see the size and capability of OKAD. However, programming has become a human/human interface even more so, as in the BASIC programming language and its growth. > So, what do you think of using a > normal PC as host to a SeaForth thumb drive - with the > PC supplying all the run of the mill applications and > SeaForth supplying the special forces? I like the idea. It would enable the development of an ASCII based interface running on the PC, with translation layer, so that normal programmers could access colorForth but not be restricted to Chucks interface. If a standard, either defacto or dictated, could be worked out then the ability of colorForth to be more widely used would definitely be enhanced. I initiated the start of this mailing list back in 2001 when I implemented a DOS version of colorforth from Jeff and Chucks description at UltraTech. Subsequently, Chuck released his colorForth and this email list took on that as its main subject. Should a plug-in module capable of running, and SAVING colorForth be made available then the above can happen. But, until then, only the hardcore will commit to colorForth. Regards, Terry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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