Hello - and where to begin?

[Jason Kemp-2]

Hello,

I have, at last, obtained an old laptop with a floppy drive that boots
and saves colorForth.

What is the state of colorForth now?  I know Mr Moore made it public
domain so it's not centrally controlled, but as a newbie it's difficult
to find who has achieved or produced what, and where this has been
shared.  It seems that a lot of  Web pages are derelict or gone -- the
colorforth-info@ faq links return 404/403, the mail list archives
mention a wiki that is no more, as well as many other useful looking
avenues that have since disappeared.  Also the downloads from
colorforth.com via ultratechnology.com don't work (or does one need an
account?) so I can't get my hands on that source code (I got color.com
and put it on a dos floppy a while ago).

Have I come to the party too late?  I do hope not!  It does feel as if
I'm doing archaeology, though, in just trying to dig up the basics: not
just colorForth but all Forth.  I've obtained some books but I had to
get those second hand as they've not been published for a couple of
decades!  I've spent some time delving into Pygmy but being tied to DOS
and real mode is too restrictive.  I don't want an operating system in
the way; I want direct access to the hardware.  Forth is delicious and
colorForth might just be the ticket.

I would be deeply grateful for any advice on where to start.  Where is
the accumulated knowledge?

Also has anyone got anywhere with USB?

Regards,
Jason Kemp

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[Nick Maroudas-2]

Hello Jason,

Welcome, this is to let you know that a few of us
ex-newbies are still listening. No doubt they will chip
in, though it has gone very quiet.  I could post a list
of URLs that still work, and help you any way I can.
Like you, I want to get at the hardware. But I am not a
programmer, so I do what I can in a very amateur way, on
Chuck's 2005 issue of CF.  The really good programmers
may have gone up into the stratosphere where they may
be working on advanced developments like SeaForth.
Unlike Linux, there is no systematic "Ecclesia" to
promulgate and administer the good news "to all sorts
and conditions of men".

Keep in touch.

Nick Maroudas


Quoting Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...>:

> Hello,
>
> I have, at last, obtained an old laptop with a floppy
> drive that boots
> and saves colorForth.
>
> What is the state of colorForth now?  I know Mr Moore
> made it public
> domain so it's not centrally controlled, but as a
> newbie it's difficult
> to find who has achieved or produced what, and where
> this has been
> shared.  It seems that a lot of  Web pages are
> derelict or gone -- the
> colorforth-info@ faq links return 404/403, the mail
> list archives
> mention a wiki that is no more, as well as many other
> useful looking
> avenues that have since disappeared.  Also the
> downloads from
> colorforth.com via ultratechnology.com don't work (or
> does one need an
> account?) so I can't get my hands on that source code
> (I got color.com
> and put it on a dos floppy a while ago).
>
> Have I come to the party too late?  I do hope not!
> It does feel as if
> I'm doing archaeology, though, in just trying to dig
> up the basics: not
> just colorForth but all Forth.  I've obtained some
> books but I had to
> get those second hand as they've not been published
> for a couple of
> decades!  I've spent some time delving into Pygmy but
> being tied to DOS
> and real mode is too restrictive.  I don't want an
> operating system in
> the way; I want direct access to the hardware.  Forth
> is delicious and
> colorForth might just be the ticket.
>
> I would be deeply grateful for any advice on where to
> start.  Where is
> the accumulated knowledge?
>
> Also has anyone got anywhere with USB?
>
> Regards,
> Jason Kemp
>
>

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[John Comeau]

Hi Jason, I just checked the colorForth links I'd saved at del.icio.us
and found they'd met the same fate you described. Ray St. Marie
hopefully has resurrected his site elsewhere, and will let us know.

Meanwhile I've collected a bunch of colorForth sources at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/colorforth/. Those at
http://colorforth.cvs.sourceforge.net/colorforth/colorforth/masm/ are
Chuck Moore's 2001 sources from colorforth.com. I remember I was once
trying to disassemble the 2005 binary into sources but don't think I
ever completed it. You're welcome to join the project if you wish.

My modifications to colorForth, which include using BIOS calls for
disk I/O, ought to work with  USB but I haven't yet tested; my time
has been reallocated to other projects lately.

If I can help with any specific information let me know -- jc

On Jan 18, 2008 4:54 AM, Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have, at last, obtained an old laptop with a floppy drive that boots
> and saves colorForth.
>
> What is the state of colorForth now?  I know Mr Moore made it public
> domain so it's not centrally controlled, but as a newbie it's difficult
> to find who has achieved or produced what, and where this has been
> shared.  It seems that a lot of  Web pages are derelict or gone -- the
> colorforth-info@ faq links return 404/403, the mail list archives
> mention a wiki that is no more, as well as many other useful looking
> avenues that have since disappeared.  Also the downloads from
> colorforth.com via ultratechnology.com don't work (or does one need an
> account?) so I can't get my hands on that source code (I got color.com
> and put it on a dos floppy a while ago).
>
> Have I come to the party too late?  I do hope not!  It does feel as if
> I'm doing archaeology, though, in just trying to dig up the basics: not
> just colorForth but all Forth.  I've obtained some books but I had to
> get those second hand as they've not been published for a couple of
> decades!  I've spent some time delving into Pygmy but being tied to DOS
> and real mode is too restrictive.  I don't want an operating system in
> the way; I want direct access to the hardware.  Forth is delicious and
> colorForth might just be the ticket.
>
> I would be deeply grateful for any advice on where to start.  Where is
> the accumulated knowledge?
>
> Also has anyone got anywhere with USB?
>
> Regards,
> Jason Kemp
>
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[Jason Kemp-2]

Dear Nick,

Thank you for the welcome.

> I could post a list of URLs that still work
Please do, if there is anything there that doesn't come up from just
Googling "colorforth".
> , and help you any way I can.
> Like you, I want to get at the hardware. But I am not a
> programmer, so I do what I can in a very amateur way,
I can identify with your self-deprecation here! Much of the code I have
seen has left me in awe.  But is it not just Messrs Moore and Fox that
work on or use colorForth professionally?
> on
> Chuck's 2005 issue of CF.
Is that available generally?  I'm sure the one I'm looking at is 2001.
> The really good programmers
> may have gone up into the stratosphere where they may
> be working on advanced developments like SeaForth.
>  
It might be nice to go there one day too!
> Unlike Linux, there is no systematic "Ecclesia" to
> promulgate and administer the good news "to all sorts
> and conditions of men".
>  
I hope my first email did not come across as whingeing.  Actually I am
glad there is no clergy or priesthood controlling the wisdom.  It's just
a little harder for newbies that it is rather "distributed".

Regards
Jason Kemp

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[Jason Kemp-2]

Dear John,

John Comeau said the following on 18/01/2008 15:40:

> Hi Jason, I just checked the colorForth links I'd saved at del.icio.us
> and found they'd met the same fate you described. Ray St. Marie
> hopefully has resurrected his site elsewhere, and will let us know.
>
> Meanwhile I've collected a bunch of colorForth sources at
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/colorforth/. Those at
> http://colorforth.cvs.sourceforge.net/colorforth/colorforth/masm/ are
> Chuck Moore's 2001 sources from colorforth.com. I remember I was once
> trying to disassemble the 2005 binary into sources but don't think I
> ever completed it. You're welcome to join the project if you wish.
>  

I have used the first one, but didn't know of the second.  Please
forgive my naivety, but is the 2005 source lost then?
> My modifications to colorForth, which include using BIOS calls for
> disk I/O, ought to work with  USB but I haven't yet tested; my time
> has been reallocated to other projects lately.
>  
I have run this from CD successfully, but I could not get it to save to
floppy (should it be able to?). Is this running on DOS?
> If I can help with any specific information let me know -- jc
Thanks,
Jason Kemp

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[Albert van der Horst]

On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:40:39AM -0700, John Comeau wrote:

> Hi Jason, I just checked the colorForth links I'd saved at del.icio.us
> and found they'd met the same fate you described. Ray St. Marie
> hopefully has resurrected his site elsewhere, and will let us know.
>
> Meanwhile I've collected a bunch of colorForth sources at
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/colorforth/. Those at
> http://colorforth.cvs.sourceforge.net/colorforth/colorforth/masm/ are
> Chuck Moore's 2001 sources from colorforth.com. I remember I was once
> trying to disassemble the 2005 binary into sources but don't think I
> ever completed it. You're welcome to join the project if you wish.

I have truely completed the reverse engineering of the original
colorforth, including screens and bitmaps for the characters.
It also replaces hex code in the screens by (my) Pentium mnemonics
assembler.
This means that I can assemble the original binary.
This tool is (of course) written in Forth.

Go to my site (URL below) and click FTP.
I guess that using that tool, and the scripts I added,
your efforts could be substantial less.

> My modifications to colorForth, which include using BIOS calls for
> disk I/O, ought to work with  USB but I haven't yet tested; my time
> has been reallocated to other projects lately.

Groetjes Albert

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On Jan 18, 2008 12:51 PM, Albert van der Horst
<albert@...> wrote:

> I have truely completed the reverse engineering of the original
> colorforth, including screens and bitmaps for the characters.
> It also replaces hex code in the screens by (my) Pentium mnemonics
> assembler.
> This means that I can assemble the original binary.
> This tool is (of course) written in Forth.
>
> Go to my site (URL below) and click FTP.
> I guess that using that tool, and the scripts I added,
> your efforts could be substantial less.

Hey Albert, I found your reverse-engineered sources and scripts at one
point, after I'd already figured out how to reconcile the 2001 sources
with color.com. You did an awesome job! If and when I decide to
restart my colorForth projects I want to take a closer look at your
work again.

I can't remember though; did you realize there were (are) a few 32x32
font characters at the end of the 2001 color.com 16x24 fontmap?
"K,Z/;:!+@*," and finally, something that looks something like an
approaching subway or tram... I discovered it while trying to make
sense of the "garbage" that showed up using my own cfdump.py tool,
then modified the tool to render them...

This is the one I could never quite figure out what it is... any
ideas? (view with a fixed-size font for an accuate picture)...

CHR32X32 "......####################......"
CHR32X32 "...##########################..."
CHR32X32 "..####....................####.."
CHR32X32 ".###........................###."
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 "################################"
CHR32X32 ".###........................###."
CHR32X32 "..####......................#..."
CHR32X32 "....#.......#.......#.......#..."
CHR32X32 "....#.......#.......#.......#..."

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[Nick Maroudas-2]

Dear Jason,

Here are some of the sites (all from googling CF) that I
found helpful at my level of programming.  

Caritas,

Nick

Josh's version of CF05.  I am using the 16bit color,
corrected as per my archive, plus some bits hacked
from CFDOS4. ly.

http://qualdan.com/colorforth/

 Ray had a hand in the above, and no doubt you'll be
hearing from him.

http://www.colorforthray.info/

Tim's informative site.  His version of CF01 with Ray  
(Raystm2) has more goodies than Chuck's original; it
worked first time on my P2 ASUS.  But the CF05s from
Tim's collection didn't work for me.  

http://www.dnd.utwente.nl/~tim/colorforth/

Howerd's original CFDOS4  (CF01 for DOS) which loads
from a DOS sys floppy and saves ok.  Useful editor, with
ASCII for checking source code.  Howerd has moved on
to parallel CF.  

Karig's commentary, enlightening.

http://www.karig.net/os/cf/index.html

John Drake's CF tutorial, (to be continued, I hope)

http://primarycolorforth.blogspot.com/

Quoting Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...>:

> Dear Nick,
>
> Thank you for the welcome.
>
> > I could post a list of URLs that still work
> Please do, if there is anything there that doesn't
> come up from just
> Googling "colorforth".
> > , and help you any way I can.
> > Like you, I want to get at the hardware. But I am
> not a
> > programmer, so I do what I can in a very amateur
> way,
> I can identify with your self-deprecation here! Much
> of the code I have
> seen has left me in awe.  But is it not just Messrs
> Moore and Fox that
> work on or use colorForth professionally?
> > on
> > Chuck's 2005 issue of CF.
> Is that available generally?  I'm sure the one I'm
> looking at is 2001.
> > The really good programmers
> > may have gone up into the stratosphere where they
> may
> > be working on advanced developments like SeaForth.
> >  
> It might be nice to go there one day too!
> > Unlike Linux, there is no systematic "Ecclesia" to
> > promulgate and administer the good news "to all
> sorts
> > and conditions of men".
> >  
> I hope my first email did not come across as
> whingeing.  Actually I am
> glad there is no clergy or priesthood controlling the
> wisdom.  It's just
> a little harder for newbies that it is rather
> "distributed".
>
> Regards
> Jason Kemp
>
>

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[Ray St. Marie]

Hi Jason,
Ray here:

My pleasure to make your acquaintance. I'll most likely pop in and out
of some newer copies of the recent colorforth mailing list mail you
just recently received over the course of the day, poking my two cents
in here and there. I'm hoping not to miss a subject that way.

First, I ( and obviously my good friends here ) welcome your interest
in colorforth. For whatever reason, many of us find it fascinating.

On Jan 18, 2008 4:54 AM, Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have, at last, obtained an old laptop with a floppy drive that boots
> and saves colorForth.

Can you please elaborate on the machine that you acquired? I am also
interested in finding such a machine. I am planning a trip to Europe
this spring and would love to have a machine that I could rely on in
the event that I am called on to demonstrate colorforth.

> What is the state of colorForth now?

I see three states.
1_ IntellaSys House State.
     this is what Jeff Fox speaks about when he's talking about the
system developed and used at IntellaSys, obviously.
     I understand that this system is quite versatile, boots USB to
Windows and Linux as well as it's own OS.
     I assume it includes software to design, develop and test
products in current process at IntellaSys.

2_ IntellaSys Current Public Domain Release State.
     There are a couple versions of this: the current known as
colorforth '05 is archived with Tim Neitz amongst other places. It is
not considered usable in it's current state for many users, tho I do
recall Tim saying that he started and used the system. There is an
issue as to where the bytecode section after block 18 writes itself in
the memory image during boot. Also, omitted from this image is a
routine that translates the colors coded in the bytecode section using
24 bit encoding, into the 565 bits ( or 5 bits one color ( red) 6 bits
another ( what? green?) 5 bits last ( blue ).
      Josh Grams rewrote it, and and solved the problem where the
bytecoded section writes itself too deeply. I like Josh's re-write,
him having broken up the system into logical sections and all.
      We have never added the 565 routine, instead recoding the colors
on block 30 to 565 in hex in my copy only. ( I think Nick is either
using 565 or 24 but I don't know. If he's using the one from Josh then
he's got recoded colors on block 30 to compensate).
      Oh the reason for the 565 is that the vesa routine  selected
with the code 0x4117 requires the colors to be coded this way. I'm not
currently aware of the encoding for the 0x4118 vesa but if it is
different to 565 and will allow for the 24 bit representation, or if
it needs a translator routine as well, I think these translator
routines should be added so that byte code can return to shareable
condition.
       Bytecode should have the 24 bit color encryption to remain
compatible with previous systems. Well, only if you want to run your
code on previous systems, obviously, but you get my point. :-)

3_ Other and older PD releases.

> I know Mr Moore made it public
> domain so it's not centrally controlled, but as a newbie > it's difficult to find who has achieved or produced
> what, and where this has been
> shared.  It seems that a lot of  Web pages are derelict
> or gone -- the
> colorforth-info@ faq links return 404/403, the mail list
> archives
> mention a wiki that is no more, as well as many other
> useful looking
> avenues that have since disappeared.  Also the
> downloads from
> colorforth.com via ultratechnology.com don't work (or
> does one need an
> account?) so I can't get my hands on that source code
>  (I got color.com
> and put it on a dos floppy a while ago).
>
> Have I come to the party too late?  I do hope not!  It
> does feel as if
> I'm doing archaeology, though, in just trying to dig up
> the basics: not
> just colorForth but all Forth.  I've obtained some
> books but I had to
> get those second hand as they've not been published
> for a couple of
> decades!  I've spent some time delving into Pygmy but
>  being tied to DOS
> and real mode is too restrictive.  I don't want an
> operating system in
> the way; I want direct access to the hardware.  Forth is
> delicious and
> colorForth might just be the ticket.
>
> I would be deeply grateful for any advice on where to
> start.  Where is
> the accumulated knowledge?
>
> Also has anyone got anywhere with USB?
>
> Regards,
> Jason Kemp
>
>

3_ continued...

    Jason, It has always been my intention to provide a definitive
place for such colorforth information. In a way that you would expect
to find it, organized, categorized, cross-ref'd and in-depth. I still
have such intentions. I would ask that the community waiting for me to
continue, please have patience with me as I am currently undergoing
changes of a personal nature. I fully expect to 'be myself' again and
for the first time in many years, with-in the next few weeks.

I will share this. At one point, I thought that my interest in
colorforth was totally irrational and without merit. I even thought my
interest was due to a condition I am currently undergoing treatment
for.

I had it well explained to me by someone I respect in the forth
community. To put his experience in context, he had never tried the
system, but suffice it to say that he could read the code and well
understand the individual systems. He could also well elaborate how
these systems interrelated. His points were well made and not
incorrect. And yet I could not help my interest even after such a well
stated argument.

I have reversed my thinking yet again, and re-enter the community
refreshed. Irrational is the OS that requires the specifications of
last years machine just to run this years OS, requiring more machine
to do anything else but OS stuff.

I'm starting to think that colorforth is not for programmers, it's for
designers and explorers. Programmers like programming environments
that do the work for them and that's why programmers create such
systems for other programmers. Designers on the other hand, like it
when the thing they use to design something actually turns into that
something they are designing, in a form where you couldn't possibly
remove another piece and still get the functionality that is required
to solve the specific, as opposed to a general, problem.

Modeling clay for your machine/mind connection.

Chuck has left us with a framework. Any piece of which is suspect. All
the pieces together forming a unique whole.

I still say to that other forther that I respect so much, "You have
not used it, you don't know, and I can only tell you how to make love,
not how to feel it". :-) or things that equal that.

Once someone gets past the build of the system, obviously a hard thing
to ask an experience forther, if one were to start with the interface
and the paradigm and forget the encryption method ...

( which is quite replaceable and I've never found reason to... but
after all it is...or frankly any portion of the system is, we see
keyboards go from Chuck-vorak to qwerty all the time...)


... or the underlying system, and think about the way one solves
problems, and how one goes about reducing those solves into tighter
and more definitive factorings, using only the simplest of
constructions...

This is colorforth. The quicker picker upper.

--
Raymond St. Marie ii,

PS : Jason, these guys are great, and have been a wealth of colorforth
information and comradeship for many years. You want to know where all
the colorforth information is? It's in the archive of this chat, It's
in the minds of these people, It's on line daily on irc on the
Freenode servers at #c4th and #c4th-ot ( if you need help joining
these chats then I can help you directly at ray.stmarie AT gmail DOT
com) .
Soon it will all be up on the web. I'm disabled now, and I  soon will
have nothing but time.

I'm going to read over everyone else's respounces to you and  ad my
two cents worth as if I had a right. Sorry guys. :- )

ray

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[Ray St. Marie]

Ray popin' in, Hi John :-)


On Jan 18, 2008 8:40 AM, John Comeau <jc@...> wrote:
> Hi Jason, I just checked the colorForth links I'd saved at del.icio.us
> and found they'd met the same fate you described. Ray St. Marie
> hopefully has resurrected his site elsewhere, and will let us know.

http://colorforthray.info

>
> Meanwhile I've collected a bunch of colorForth sources at
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/colorforth/. Those at
> http://colorforth.cvs.sourceforge.net/colorforth/colorforth/masm/ are
> Chuck Moore's 2001 sources from colorforth.com. I remember I was once
> trying to disassemble the 2005 binary into sources but don't think I
> ever completed it. You're welcome to join the project if you wish.
>
> My modifications to colorForth, which include using BIOS calls for
> disk I/O, ought to work with  USB but I haven't yet tested; my time
> has been reallocated to other projects lately.
>
> If I can help with any specific information let me know -- jc

This is where I believe the center of the outer-IntellaSys active
colorforth universe resides, right here at John's Sourceforge site.
Or, this is where it should, imho.

I have always intended of sorta just moving in and setting up the
history channel of the colorforth repository for John and the
community. I have several versions and all kinds of relevant software
and stories that need to be archived centrally and properly.


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> ideas? (view with a fixed-size font for an accuate picture)...
>
> CHR32X32 "......####################......"
> CHR32X32 "...##########################..."
> CHR32X32 "..####....................####.."
> CHR32X32 ".###........................###."
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 "################################"
> CHR32X32 ".###........................###."
> CHR32X32 "..####......................#..."
> CHR32X32 "....#.......#.......#.......#..."
> CHR32X32 "....#.......#.......#.......#..."
>
> --
> John Comeau <jc@...> http://jc.unternet.net/
> "A place for everything, and everything
> all over the place"
>

The colorforth cursor.
Shaped sorta like a pacman with the mouth open
to the left


    ************
        ********^
          *******
              ****
          *******
        *********
    ***********^

--
Raymond St. Marie ii,

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[John Comeau]

Nice try Ray!  :^}  But that's not it; you'll find old pac-man in the
middle of the 16x24 characters. This is past the end of that character
set.

On Jan 18, 2008 9:13 PM, Ray St. Marie <ray.stmarie@...> wrote:

>
> > ideas? (view with a fixed-size font for an accuate picture)...
> >
> > CHR32X32 "......####################......"
> > CHR32X32 "...##########################..."
> > CHR32X32 "..####....................####.."
> > CHR32X32 ".###........................###."
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > CHR32X32 ".###........................###."
> > CHR32X32 "..####......................#..."
> > CHR32X32 "....#.......#.......#.......#..."
> > CHR32X32 "....#.......#.......#.......#..."
> >
> > --
> > John Comeau <jc@...> http://jc.unternet.net/
> > "A place for everything, and everything
> > all over the place"
> >
>
>
> The colorforth cursor.
> Shaped sorta like a pacman with the mouth open
> to the left
>
>
>     ************
>         ********^
>           *******
>               ****
>           *******
>         *********
>     ***********^
>
> --
> Raymond St. Marie ii,
>
>
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John Comeau <jc@...> http://jc.unternet.net/
"A place for everything, and everything
all over the place"

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[Terry Loveall]

Dont you recognize it? Its a USPO mailbox. You have mail...

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:54:46 -0700
"John Comeau" <jc@...> wrote:

> Nice try Ray!  :^}  But that's not it; you'll find old pac-man in the
> middle of the 16x24 characters. This is past the end of that character
> set.
>
> On Jan 18, 2008 9:13 PM, Ray St. Marie <ray.stmarie@...> wrote:
> >
> > > ideas? (view with a fixed-size font for an accuate picture)...
> > >
> > > CHR32X32 "......####################......"
> > > CHR32X32 "...##########################..."
> > > CHR32X32 "..####....................####.."
> > > CHR32X32 ".###........................###."
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 "################################"
> > > CHR32X32 ".###........................###."
> > > CHR32X32 "..####......................#..."
> > > CHR32X32 "....#.......#.......#.......#..."
> > > CHR32X32 "....#.......#.......#.......#..."
> > >
> > > --
> > > John Comeau <jc@...> http://jc.unternet.net/
> > > "A place for everything, and everything
> > > all over the place"
> > >
> >
> >
> > The colorforth cursor.
> > Shaped sorta like a pacman with the mouth open
> > to the left
> >
> >
> >     ************
> >         ********^
> >           *******
> >               ****
> >           *******
> >         *********
> >     ***********^
> >
> > --
> > Raymond St. Marie ii,
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@...
> > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com
> >
> --
> John Comeau <jc@...> http://jc.unternet.net/
> "A place for everything, and everything
> all over the place"
>
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