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Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Schoap D
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Hi,
I want to buy a elektr. piano or an keyboard if the first it to expensive. I have the following needs: - piano like, sound and touch. - I want to be able to connect it to my computer (maudio audiophile, maudio dmp3 preamp) - I want to be able to work with MIDI - I want to use it on Linux - not to expensive... but I like quality too.. Price class: 150- 350 euro? But I like information about the different piano's/ keyboards in the different price class... Thanks in advance. Dirk _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Julien Claassen
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Hi Dirk!
Yamaha is always a good choice. I think they're all called CP-something. But I think they are more expensive. For your price, I'd suggest a simple master keyboard. Fatar has nice ones, but a little more expensive, for the rest, have a look around. For piano sounds, try the big soundfont pianos, there were a few posts lately or try one gigasample library from post musical instruments/sampletekk. The PMI pianos all cost $50.00 and sound very atractive. Take a look at www.linuxsampler.org In the demo section or for example, mylast posted piece. Considering your name, you're from Germany. Take a look at: www.thomann.de and www.musik-produktiv.de A very nice catalogue, cheap prices, because they sell that much and the Musik Produktiv crowd is rather helpful, if you need them. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Schoap D
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schoappied wrote:
> Veronica Merryfield wrote: > >> If this is any help, I got a used weighted touch sensitive master >> keyboard and went with soft synths. I spent my money in a focused way >> - decent keyboard that didn't tie me to any sound hardware then a >> decent soft synth, and now many. >> >> Just a thought. >> >> > Thanks. I want to have a elektr. piano/ keyboard which sounds like a > piano (without the use of a computer). I don't need a whole lot of > sounds (a hammond organ and rhodos sound would be nice)... So I think > that's what youre talking about too. What is the keyboard you have, if I > may ask? > > Dirk > __ So I think this one is more usefull for me: http://www.thomann.de/nl/yamaha_np30_b.htm Then this one http://www.thomann.de/nl/yamaha_psre313.htm for example... Can I connect all the elektr. pianos and keyboards to a computer (maudio audiophile 24/96 and maudio dmp3) and work with MIDI? _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Bert Visser-2
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Hello Dirk,
> So I think this one is more usefull for me: > http://www.thomann.de/nl/yamaha_np30_b.htm > I've got this one and i like it. It has good enough sounds for simple things like accompanying a choir in a small chapel or home and the touch is reasonble especially for that kind of money. > Then this one http://www.thomann.de/nl/yamaha_psre313.htm > > for example... > These keyboards are pretty usuable but the touch responsitivity is much less than with piano's and you pay a lot of money for many sounds and styles you probably don't need and will never use. If you want good pianosound and -feel I wouldn't choose this one, but of course that's just my opinion. > Can I connect all the elektr. pianos and keyboards to a computer (maudio > audiophile 24/96 and maudio dmp3) and work with MIDI? > > If your keyboard or piano has USB midi it's very easy to connect multiple instruments. If they use the (older) midi Din plugs (like the Yamaha NP 30) you may need something like a M-Audio Midisport. The M-Audio Dmp3 goes into your audio interface so this one has nothing to do with midiports. Regards, Bert _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Schoap D
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Bert Visser wrote:
> Hello Dirk, > >> So I think this one is more usefull for me: >> http://www.thomann.de/nl/yamaha_np30_b.htm >> >> > I've got this one and i like it. It has good enough sounds for simple > things like accompanying a choir in a small chapel or home and the touch > is reasonble especially for that kind of money. > >> Then this one http://www.thomann.de/nl/yamaha_psre313.htm >> >> for example... >> >> > These keyboards are pretty usuable but the touch responsitivity is much > less than with piano's and you pay a lot of money for many sounds and > styles you probably don't need and will never use. If you want good > pianosound and -feel I wouldn't choose this one, but of course that's > just my opinion. > >> Can I connect all the elektr. pianos and keyboards to a computer (maudio >> audiophile 24/96 and maudio dmp3) and work with MIDI? >> >> >> > If your keyboard or piano has USB midi it's very easy to connect > multiple instruments. If they use the (older) midi Din plugs (like the > Yamaha NP 30) you may need something like a M-Audio Midisport. > The M-Audio Dmp3 goes into your audio interface so this one has nothing > to do with midiports. > > > I have a maudio audiophile 24/96 isn't that enough to connect (multiple) instruments? About the sounds, what are sounds which are used a lot in 'light' music? I know and like the hammond organ sounds and the Rhodes sounds..... Is there a piano / keyboard which can make those sounds too? And how does software sounds on linux (inclusive commercial) compare to sounds (modules) of keyboards? Can you compare the rhodes soundfont with such a sound made with a (not to expensive) keyboard? _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Bert Visser-2
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This card (like most cards) has only one Midi I/O so if you want to connect more instruments you need some kind of midimerger like a Midisport, that is when you're using Din cables. With USB everything is much simpler. Unfortunately the NP 30 does not have USB.Thanks for the information! I have a maudio audiophile 24/96 isn't that enough to connect (multiple) instruments? I'm in no way an expert on this but I do know that almost every keyboard has quite a lot of this sort of sounds onboard. Yamaha's keyboards, even the small ones, usually have 7 or 8 different piano's and about the same amount of e-piano's like Rhodes sounds and also a variety of organ sounds including Hammond.About the sounds, what are sounds which are used a lot in 'light' music? I know and like the hammond organ sounds and the Rhodes sounds..... Is there a piano / keyboard which can make those sounds too? Mind you, the Yamaha NP 30 has a lot less: 2 grand-piano's, 2 e-piano's, 2 churchorgans (no Hammond!), strings, 2 harpsichords and vibraphone. Most digital piano's have only this smaller amount of voices, because they focus more on action than on hundreds of sounds. I've only once fiddled around a bit with a Rhodes soundfont (jRhodes3) and I liked it but I hardly ever use it. To me it sounded quite like the sounds on my keyboards (Yamaha PSR 540 and Roland EXS 3s) but I don't feel myself qualified to really compare these. I did find the dynamic range of the build-in e-piano's far greater than the soundfont's one; maybe other soundfonts are better in this way.And how does software sounds on linux (inclusive commercial) compare to sounds (modules) of keyboards? Can you compare the rhodes soundfont with such a sound made with a (not to expensive) keyboard? Regards, Bert _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by david-602
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Problem with most cheap MIDI keyboards is that they don't have the
"piano key" feel. They have thin, lightweight plastic keys, lacking the weight of a real piano keyboard. The keyboards that have real piano-style keys are not cheap. Julien Claassen wrote: > Hi Dirk! > Yamaha is always a good choice. I think they're all called CP-something. But > I think they are more expensive. For your price, I'd suggest a simple master > keyboard. Fatar has nice ones, but a little more expensive, for the rest, have > a look around. For piano sounds, try the big soundfont pianos, there were a > few posts lately or try one gigasample library from post musical > instruments/sampletekk. The PMI pianos all cost $50.00 and sound very > atractive. Take a look at > www.linuxsampler.org > In the demo section or for example, mylast posted piece. > Considering your name, you're from Germany. Take a look at: > www.thomann.de > and > www.musik-produktiv.de > A very nice catalogue, cheap prices, because they sell that much and the > Musik Produktiv crowd is rather helpful, if you need them. > Kindest regards > Julien -- David gnome@... authenticity, honesty, community _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Schoap D
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R.Wolff wrote:
> schoappied schrieb: > > Sorry, no, I didn't realize I was sending to you only. This one gets me just so > often... > > >> Thanks, for your comment... (did you realize it was just to me and not >> to the LAU mailinglist?) >> >> > > I have some limited experience playing other keyboards/E-Pianos than my own old > Roland JX-305, which is a 61-semi weighted keys synth which specialised in > 'Dance, R&B, Techno' etc kind of sounds. It was the keyboard version of the > MC-505 Groovebox in fact. Initially, I started off as a guitarist and just > wanted to have a keyboard/synth to play some accompaniments to my guitar > noodling. Today I play more keyboard then guitar, also for other reasons. > > I have tried/played some diff. keyboards/controllers, like i.e. the M-Audio > Keystation Pro 88 (favoring a controller/softsynth approach), some of the better > Roland/Yamaha Stagepianos, the Yamaha CP-series and then some... > I personally most often preferred the Roland keys in the lower pricerange, the > Yamaha keys win in the upper pricerange IMHO. The CP series i.e. are all high > quality, keys and soundwise. But then these are all outta your pricerange I > guess, unless you'll find some 2nd hand top offer. > >> I think you speak some right words.. Have you experience with playing >> elektr. piano/ keyboards? >> >> > > Polyphony is the max playable number of notes that can be played at any one > time. So, if you're playing a simple C chord, you'll use up 3 voices of > polyphony (C - E - G). But if now you keep them ringing with the sustain pedal > to play some single notes over your chord, you stack up the voices. > Since Piano/E-Piano playing very much involves your sustain pedal, it quickly > builds up to way more then 32 voices. > > >> Where do you use polyphony for? Does 64-voices of polyphony also mean >> that the keyboard has 64 keys? >> >> > > Good luck in your search. It may be worth checking local garage sales, flea > markets and the 'for sale' columns of your local newspaper/hebdomadal magazines. > > >> Yes, I try to find somewhat second hand. >> >> And I will take some hours to test a bit in a local store. Good advice, >> thanks! >> >> Dirk >> >> > > Cheers > Raphael ;) > should just go for a cheapo keyboard to be able to play with notes, musical structures, scales etc. in companion with software stuff on linux. What about this one? De m-audio keystation ? Is this a good one? Other comparable stuff which is good? http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_keystation_88es.htm _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Schoap D
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schoappied wrote:
> R.Wolff wrote: > >> schoappied schrieb: >> >> Sorry, no, I didn't realize I was sending to you only. This one gets me just so >> often... >> >> >> >>> Thanks, for your comment... (did you realize it was just to me and not >>> to the LAU mailinglist?) >>> >>> >>> >> I have some limited experience playing other keyboards/E-Pianos than my own old >> Roland JX-305, which is a 61-semi weighted keys synth which specialised in >> 'Dance, R&B, Techno' etc kind of sounds. It was the keyboard version of the >> MC-505 Groovebox in fact. Initially, I started off as a guitarist and just >> wanted to have a keyboard/synth to play some accompaniments to my guitar >> noodling. Today I play more keyboard then guitar, also for other reasons. >> >> I have tried/played some diff. keyboards/controllers, like i.e. the M-Audio >> Keystation Pro 88 (favoring a controller/softsynth approach), some of the better >> Roland/Yamaha Stagepianos, the Yamaha CP-series and then some... >> I personally most often preferred the Roland keys in the lower pricerange, the >> Yamaha keys win in the upper pricerange IMHO. The CP series i.e. are all high >> quality, keys and soundwise. But then these are all outta your pricerange I >> guess, unless you'll find some 2nd hand top offer. >> >> >>> I think you speak some right words.. Have you experience with playing >>> elektr. piano/ keyboards? >>> >>> >>> >> Polyphony is the max playable number of notes that can be played at any one >> time. So, if you're playing a simple C chord, you'll use up 3 voices of >> polyphony (C - E - G). But if now you keep them ringing with the sustain pedal >> to play some single notes over your chord, you stack up the voices. >> Since Piano/E-Piano playing very much involves your sustain pedal, it quickly >> builds up to way more then 32 voices. >> >> >> >>> Where do you use polyphony for? Does 64-voices of polyphony also mean >>> that the keyboard has 64 keys? >>> >>> >>> >> Good luck in your search. It may be worth checking local garage sales, flea >> markets and the 'for sale' columns of your local newspaper/hebdomadal magazines. >> >> >> >>> Yes, I try to find somewhat second hand. >>> >>> And I will take some hours to test a bit in a local store. Good advice, >>> thanks! >>> >>> Dirk >>> >>> >>> >> Cheers >> Raphael ;) >> >> > Because I don't think I can afford a real good electric piano, maybe I > should just go for a cheapo keyboard to be able to play with notes, > musical structures, scales etc. in companion with software stuff on linux. > > What about this one? De m-audio keystation ? Is this a good one? Other > comparable stuff which is good? > > http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_keystation_88es.htm > _______________________________________________ > > on which soundfile you use... but when I play three tones at ones with vkeybd or zynaddsubfx I hear a distorted sound comming out of my speakers... How's that with a midi keyboard? _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Fons Adriaensen-2
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On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:26:26PM +0200, schoappied wrote:
> I'm also wondering how a midi keyboard sounds... ok it will be dependent > on which soundfile you use... but when I play three tones at ones with > vkeybd or zynaddsubfx I hear a distorted sound comming out of my > speakers... How's that with a midi keyboard? This probably just means you're overloading something. Either the digital signal (reduce volume in the synth), or the analog one (reduce volume in your soundcard's mixer). -- FA Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica Parma, Italia O tu, che porte, correndo si ? E guerra e morte ! _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Arnold Krille-3
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Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2008 schrieb schoappied:
> I'm also wondering how a midi keyboard sounds... ok it will be dependent > on which soundfile you use... but when I play three tones at ones with > vkeybd or zynaddsubfx I hear a distorted sound comming out of my > speakers... How's that with a midi keyboard? A pure-midi keyboard doesn't sound. Except for the "klack" of the keys going down. :-) For the audio-part (done by the synths) it is unimportant wether the midi-signal is coming from a virtual keyboard in the pc, a real keyboard (wether or not that has an own sound generator) or a sequencer application... Only with a midi keyboard you have more control over the volume of the signal if the soundfont uses the velocity to modulate the volume of the sample. So you might start playing softer to not overload your audio. But that is in fact the wrong cure for the symptoms. As Fons pointed out the volume of the synth or the soundcard is to high. Better fix that... Hope that helps, Arnold -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a "rm -rf /". Or ask your administrator to do so... _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by Schoap D
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Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:26:26PM +0200, schoappied wrote: > > >> I'm also wondering how a midi keyboard sounds... ok it will be dependent >> on which soundfile you use... but when I play three tones at ones with >> vkeybd or zynaddsubfx I hear a distorted sound comming out of my >> speakers... How's that with a midi keyboard? >> > > This probably just means you're overloading something. Either > the digital signal (reduce volume in the synth), or the analog > one (reduce volume in your soundcard's mixer). > > _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
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Does anyone knows if the m-audio oxygen 61 is a good device and if its
works on linux? http://www.thomann.de/nl/maudio_oxygen_61.htm And the m-audio keystation es 61? Thanks in advance, _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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Re: Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
by R.Wolff
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Depending on which instrument (genre) you want to focus. If you're longing for keys mainly (Piano, E-Piano, Rhode, Wurli a B3 maybe), and synth secondly, I think I wouldn't hesitate to recommend this M-Audio KB. It has 88 keys (which I wish mine would have :( ), I guess the 'touch' would be half-decent at last. The 'Pro-88' has quite good keys IMHO. But be sure you get a second series model. The first had some problems physical with the keyboard/keys. If you'd be more interested in synth stuff, the Radium/Oxygen KB could be a better choice, as they give you extended functionality for tweaking, automation writing 'n stuff. I extended my synth with a Behringer BCR2000, which is a really cool controller. Also use it for QSynth, Freewheeling, Ardour and other instruments/FX/editors under 64 Studio (32-bit). Anyway, with Thomann I never had the slightest problem. You can send back the stuff you don't like within 2 weeks at last. Cheers Raphael ;) schoappied schrieb: > Because I don't think I can afford a real good electric piano, maybe I > should just go for a cheapo keyboard to be able to play with notes, > musical structures, scales etc. in companion with software stuff on linux. > > What about this one? De m-audio keystation ? Is this a good one? Other > comparable stuff which is good? > > http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_keystation_88es.htm > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user@... > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- ________________________________ "A mind is like a parachute - It doesnt work if it's not open." |- - - - - - - Frank Zappa - - - - - - -| _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user |
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