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Gnome Cards Pixmap
Hi,
I just played the Gnome Blackjack game and then thougt about using the
nice cards for an Addon for the LotGD (lotgd.net) game I'm programming
for.
My question ist, if I am allowed to. I don't know what kind of copyright
is belonging to the cards.
LotGD is a web-based Online RPG Engine, that has been under the GPL and
is now distributed under a Creative Commons Licence, because this is
better fitting to the Open Source idea of the game (there have been some
special problems using the GPL for this OS project).
I hope you can allow me to use it, because I don't want to draw some
cards myself and I don't know where to get some free cards. Of course it
is easy to google and just "steal" some card somewhere, but I don't want
to pollute my OS Addon with such cards.
Sincerely,
SmR
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On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 21:05 +0100, SmR wrote:
> Hi,
> I just played the Gnome Blackjack game and then thougt about using the
> nice cards for an Addon for the LotGD (lotgd.net) game I'm programming
> for.
> My question ist, if I am allowed to. I don't know what kind of copyright
> is belonging to the cards.
All the art can be used under the terms of the GPL since the package as
a whole is. Obviously GPL isn't the best for art-work, but from the
point of view of the package that's what is easiest. There are one or
two exceptions (documented in the SVG file usually) but I don't think
any of the cards are.
Having said all that, I know several of the authors are willing to allow
their work to be licensed differently so something could be arranged if
that isn't suitable.
Which particular card theme did you have in mind?
- Callum
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Callum McKenzie wrote:
>
> All the art can be used under the terms of the GPL since the package as
> a whole is. Obviously GPL isn't the best for art-work, but from the
> point of view of the package that's what is easiest. There are one or
> two exceptions (documented in the SVG file usually) but I don't think
> any of the cards are.
>
> Having said all that, I know several of the authors are willing to allow
> their work to be licensed differently so something could be arranged if
> that isn't suitable.
>
> Which particular card theme did you have in mind?
Indeed, it is essential which particular theme the original poster want,
as he may obtain the graphics directly from the author under a different
license - for example the "bellot" set is released by the author as LGPL
and the kind of usage intended may be allowed by LGPL (IANAL).
Of course, my cards have a even more permissive license
( http://www.nicubunu.ro/cards/) but I don't think those fit in style his
LotGD game.
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Hello,
Am Montag, den 06.03.2006, 20:43 +1300 schrieb Callum McKenzie:
> Having said all that, I know several of the authors are willing to allow
> their work to be licensed differently so something could be arranged if
> that isn't suitable.
That sounds nice. But I don't know how to determine the original
authors. I just found the files and no copyright information inside (in
the comments or something like this).
> Which particular card theme did you have in mind?
I like paris.svg, but bonded.png is nice, too. Both I found in
"/usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-games-common/cards".
Can you tell me how to reach the copyright holders? Because I think the
GPL is a nice license but it doesn't fit in that case.
Or do you think it is possible to use GPLed graphics if the code is
under another license?
Greetings,
SmR
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On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 09:24 +0100, SmR wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Am Montag, den 06.03.2006, 20:43 +1300 schrieb Callum McKenzie:
> > Having said all that, I know several of the authors are willing to allow
> > their work to be licensed differently so something could be arranged if
> > that isn't suitable.
> That sounds nice. But I don't know how to determine the original
> authors. I just found the files and no copyright information inside (in
> the comments or something like this).
>
> > Which particular card theme did you have in mind?
> I like paris.svg, but bonded.png is nice, too. Both I found in
> "/usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-games-common/cards".
> Can you tell me how to reach the copyright holders? Because I think the
> GPL is a nice license but it doesn't fit in that case.
> Or do you think it is possible to use GPLed graphics if the code is
> under another license?
Richard Hoelscher < rah@...> is the person to talk to about
paris.svg. bonded.png was created by me from the parts that came with
the original freecell implementation which were in turn taken (I think)
from xpat2. Since the construction technique was basically to
screen-shot aisleriot with the various cards pre-constructed I am in no
way able to change the licensing. I'm not sure who is responsible for
xpat or even if I'm correct.
- Callum
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On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, SmR wrote:
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> I hope you can allow me to use it, because I don't want to draw some
> cards myself and I don't know where to get some free cards. Of course it
> is easy to google and just "steal" some card somewhere, but I don't want
> to pollute my OS Addon with such cards.
I cannot answer your question but there is certainly no need to "steal".
OpenClipart.org includes card sets which are in the public domain, meaning
they can be used for any purpose you like.
- Alan
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On 9/15/06, Francisco Yuste García < francisco.yuste@...> wrote:
> I still need to find some time to integrate the spanish support for
> aisleriot in gnome-games, but you can include now the spanish deck
>
> http://ws314.juntadeandalucia.es/plugins/scmsvn/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/cards/?root=rentoy>
> The name can be changed, if you like O:-).
>
>
> On lun, 2006-03-06 at 09:03 -0600, Richard Hoelscher wrote:
> > Callum McKenzie said:
> > > Richard Hoelscher < rah@...> is the person to talk to about
> > > paris.svg. <...>
> >
> > To match the source imagery, paris.svg and dondorf.svg are public domain.
> >
>
> Well, i don't know if it is necessary additional declarations, but the
> deck is under Creative Commons
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/deed.en_GB. I wonder if I
> need to declare that in the same file... and how to declare that!
Major license alert:
There are two issues here:
1. -nc is non-free, as considered by everybody
2. CC is considered non-free by Debian
Can this be relicensed?
Corey
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On vie, 2006-09-15 at 11:08 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> > On 9/15/06, Francisco Yuste García < francisco.yuste@...>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >> Well, i don't know if it is necessary additional declarations, but
> the
> >> deck is under Creative Commons
> >> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/deed.en_GB. I wonder
> if I
> >> need to declare that in the same file... and how to declare that!
>
> As Corey already told you, "non commercial" is not free and can't be
> used.
>
> If you want to include license information *inside* the SVG file, you
> can use the same method we are using at the Open Clip Art Library:
> put
> all the needed metadata inside a RDF section.
> You can do this either manually with any text editor or using
> Inkscape:
> http://openclipart.org/wiki/index.php/Metadata>
Well somebody suggested that CC is the best License for the artwork.
Would you prefer GPL?
That will put any derivative product under GPL also.
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On vie, 2006-09-15 at 02:40 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
[...]
> Hum, I was unaware of the existence of this deck. Can you clarify: is
> this the style of all card decks in Spain or merely a card deck in
> "Spanish motif"?
>
It is an Spanish deck because it has the four symbolical suits: "oros",
"copas", "espadas" y "bastos" and the figures too: "sota", "caballo" y
"rey".
For compatibility reasons with another aisleriot's games i drew also the
8, 9 and 10. They are not so often used in Spanish games. The support
for Spanish games in rentoy generates the usual Spanish deck.
Artistically the real decks are much nicer and elaborated. If someone
else can design a more efficient and prettier deck, just replace it :).
Cheers; Fran.
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Francisco Yuste García wrote:
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> Well somebody suggested that CC is the best License for the artwork.
There are a lot of varieties of the CC licenses, each with its degree of
freedom and compatibility with GPL. The "non-commercial" one is simply
not free and can't be used, other have uncertain status.
> Would you prefer GPL?
GPL or LGPL should be just fine.
Surely, you can use a even freer license, for example I released my own
cards as Public Domain ( http://www.nicubunu.ro/cards/).
> That will put any derivative product under GPL also.
Exactly this is the idea of GPL, to ensure freedom of the derivatives.
If you want, you can put your work under a dual license: GPL for Gnome
and whatever you want for other uses.
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Francisco Yuste García said:
> On vie, 2006-09-15 at 02:40 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> [...]
>> Hum, I was unaware of the existence of this deck. Can you clarify: is
>> this the style of all card decks in Spain or merely a card deck in
>> "Spanish motif"?
>>
>
> It is an Spanish deck because it has the four symbolical suits: "oros",
> "copas", "espadas" y "bastos" and the figures too: "sota", "caballo" y
> "rey".
>
> For compatibility reasons with another aisleriot's games i drew also the
> 8, 9 and 10. They are not so often used in Spanish games. The support
> for Spanish games in rentoy generates the usual Spanish deck.
To answer Jason's question, it's not the style of all card decks in Spain,
but rather, Spanish card decks have been around for quite some time, and
they even sell them down here in Texas grocery stores. The deck on the
page below isn't really being pushed not as a Spanish card deck, but as a
deck for playing "Conquian", an ancestor of Rummy...
http://www.patchproducts.com/store/listcategoriesandproducts.asp?idCategory=73I talked about them a while back in :
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/games-list/2005-September/msg00051.html-Richard Hoelscher
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On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, SmR wrote:
> Hi,
> I just played the Gnome Blackjack game and then thougt about using the
> nice cards for an Addon for the LotGD (lotgd.net) game I'm programming
> for.
> LotGD is a web-based Online RPG Engine, that has been under the GPL and
> is now distributed under a Creative Commons Licence, because this is
> better fitting to the Open Source idea of the game (there have been some
> special problems using the GPL for this OS project).
I would urge caution in the use of CC licenses since various licenses are
GPL incompatible and releasingly things into the Public Domain prevents
you from making a limited liability disclaimer (madness!).
> I hope you can allow me to use it, because I don't want to draw some
> cards myself and I don't know where to get some free cards.
Nicu responded to your licensing questions but perhaps out of modestly
failed to mention the excellent card sets he has contributed to
OpenClipart.org
Artwork from OpenClipart.org can be used freely and for any purpose as it
has been released into the Public Domain.
I would avoid the confusion and skip straight over to Openclipart.org
(note: I may be slightly biased ;)
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
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