Gimp and 16bit (TIFF) (and WinME!) ?

[corncrake12]

Hi all,
for many years now my gimp1.2.3 has served well for all my needs :)
However, now that I have my first digital camera, I find that I need
something that will handle 16bit tiff (as produced by DCRAW in 16bit
linear mode),, and it is time for a gimp upgrade anyway !!
But I see that gimp no longer supports WinME :(

Two questions now arise :
(1) which, and where, is the last gimp version to support winme ?
(2) does that last winme version do 16bit ?
or was that 3 questions lol !?

What are my options,
do I need to upgrade to WinXP,
arrghh, I'd rather not !!
tia.

[klausdieterdill]

in your best interest you need to upgrade to win xp
pro.  i don't think that ms supports me anyway.
cheers,
kdd
--- corncrake12 <corncrake12@...> wrote:

> Hi all,
> for many years now my gimp1.2.3 has served well for
> all my needs :)
> However, now that I have my first digital camera, I
> find that I need
> something that will handle 16bit tiff (as produced
> by DCRAW in 16bit
> linear mode),, and it is time for a gimp upgrade
> anyway !!
> But I see that gimp no longer supports WinME :(
>
> Two questions now arise :
> (1) which, and where, is the last gimp version to
> support winme ?
> (2) does that last winme version do 16bit ?
> or was that 3 questions lol !?
>
> What are my options,
> do I need to upgrade to WinXP,
> arrghh, I'd rather not !!
> tia.
>
>
>
>
>

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[Len Philpot]

On 3 Feb 2008 at 20:04, corncrake12 wrote:

> Hi all,
> for many years now my gimp1.2.3 has served well for all my needs :)
> However, now that I have my first digital camera, I find that I need
> something that will handle 16bit tiff (as produced by DCRAW in 16bit
> linear mode),, and it is time for a gimp upgrade anyway !! But I see

GIMP supports (as far as I know) only 8-it color channels, hence it won't support 16-
bit TIFFs. If there's a way to get this support, then I'm all ears, but I've never
heard of it. That's the big difference with Cinepaint (previously FilmGIMP).

I suspect 16-bit channel support could be the issue that eventually pushes me
elsewhere. :-( 8-bit channels picket-fence all too quickly, not to mention the
degredation of my 12-bit per channel raw images to 8 bit before I even start editing.

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[corncrake12]

Len Philpot wrote:
> GIMP supports (as far as I know) only 8-it color channels, hence it
won't support 16-
> bit TIFFs.

Oh, ahh !, you could be right and it may be my mistake but I thought
that I had read that recent versions of gimp did 16bit, which is why I
was sad to find JS's page http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/ saying only
WinXP etc :(

>That's the big difference with Cinepaint (previously FilmGIMP).

Link? So would that satisfy my requirement for 16bit TIFFs that Dave
Coffins DCRAW produces ?

(btw I need the 16bit headroom to process variable star data in IRIS etc)

thanks for your reply, im off to google for cinepaint :)

[corncrake12]

Len Philpot wrote:
 
> I suspect 16-bit channel support could be the issue that eventually
pushes me
> elsewhere. :-(

I see what you mean !
Whilst I was googling 16bit gimp cinepain etc I happened upon this,
dont know if it might be of interest to you (and me!) :
"Krita supports many managed colorspaces, like rgb, grayscale, cmyk,
lab, ycbcr and lms, in 8 and 16 bits per channel. Some colorspaces
even support 32 bits per channe"
a bit off-topic for a Win forum cos it is a KOffice for KDE thing,
BUT, it may be worth keeping an eye on as they are working on a
windows version of Kword,,, so,,,, fingers etc xxed :)

Aside: hmmm, is it me or is Yahoo having a nervous breakdown !?, I
posted a previous reply to Len about 45min ago and it has not yet
shown up :(

[Tor Lillqvist]

>  I posted a previous reply to Len about 45min ago and it has not yet
>  shown up :(

Posts by new list members are moderated to avoid spam.

--tml

[corncrake12]

Tor Lillqvist wrote:
>
> >  I posted a previous reply to Len about 45min ago and it has not yet
> >  shown up :(
>
> Posts by new list members

well, actually no, not new !! but I last posted in 2004 so I expect
Yahoo is having amnesia, LOL !

> are moderated to avoid spam.

Thank you Tor, understandable for anti-spam no prob, I noted that my
first post was flagged as "held for mod approval" quite right too,,,
however, my second and third were simply flagged as "have been posted"
so I assumed that I had been approved after my first !
However, all is well, they are now here :) :)

now then, what am I to do about 16bits ?

[corncrake12]

We wrote:

> Len Philpot wrote:
> > GIMP supports (as far as I know) only 8-it color channels, hence it
> won't support 16-
> > bit TIFFs.
>
> Oh, ahh !, you could be right and it may be my mistake but I thought
> that I had read that recent versions of gimp did 16bit,

Looks like it _was_ my mistake,
(quote)
"We now have a working GEGL and, once 2.4 is released, will begin
integrating it into GIMP. This will lay the foundations for version
3.0, allowing for the addition of long requested features like support
for 16+ bits per channel and adjustment layers, to name a couple."
(/quote)
from : http://www.gimp.org/docs/userfaq.html

Drat!
So I'll go back to sleep for another 4years, weep!

Sorry for raising your hopes Len !

[klausdieterdill]

you can always get photoshop for 16 bit until gimp
catches up.
kdd
--- corncrake12 <corncrake12@...> wrote:

> We wrote:
>
> > Len Philpot wrote:
> > > GIMP supports (as far as I know) only 8-it color
> channels, hence it
> > won't support 16-
> > > bit TIFFs.
> >
> > Oh, ahh !, you could be right and it may be my
> mistake but I thought
> > that I had read that recent versions of gimp did
> 16bit,
>
> Looks like it _was_ my mistake,
> (quote)
> "We now have a working GEGL and, once 2.4 is
> released, will begin
> integrating it into GIMP. This will lay the
> foundations for version
> 3.0, allowing for the addition of long requested
> features like support
> for 16+ bits per channel and adjustment layers, to
> name a couple."
> (/quote)
> from : http://www.gimp.org/docs/userfaq.html
>
> Drat!
> So I'll go back to sleep for another 4years, weep!
>
> Sorry for raising your hopes Len !
>
>

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[corncrake12]

I wrote:
> (1) which, and where, is the last gimp version to support winme ?

No one ?

[Jacob Boerema]

On 4 Feb 2008 at 21:13, corncrake12 wrote:

> I wrote:
> > (1) which, and where, is the last gimp version to support winme ?

Gimp 2.2.17 + GTK 2.6.10

http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/old.html


Regards,

Jacob Boerema
http://www.jacobboerema.nl/en/

[Michael Schumacher]

corncrake12 wrote:

> I wrote:
>> (1) which, and where, is the last gimp version to support winme ?
>
> No one ?

2.2.17, with the appropriate version of GTK+, IIRC 2.6.x.

Check the Releases link at http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net, you'll find
all of the installers there.


HTH,
Michael

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[corncrake12]

> > > (1) which, and where, is the last gimp version to support winme ?
> Gimp 2.2.17 + GTK 2.6.10
> http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/old.html


Thank you Michael and Jacob, that is a great help.

[Pierre RF Barthe]

>> Thank you Pierre I will download the software ...

Oh Thanks For feedback corncrake12

GIMPVS is tested on Windows Vista, and Windows XP only.
We won't support former platforms.

Pierre RF Barthe


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[corncrake12]

Pierre wrote ;
> GIMPVS is tested on Windows Vista, and Windows XP only.
> We won't support former platforms.

Oh dear, what a pity !  thanks for the alert !
I thought that I had seen 'previous' on your webpage but no! it
clearly now says WinXP and above ,,, hmmm, I must have confused yours
with another site ( or am going blind or crosseyed in my old age !!)

Not to worry, Michael and Jacob have sorted me out and I have also
found  PortableGimp which looks good. ( perhaps it was that one that I
got crosseyed with lol! )

What a shame that Microsoft have trapped WinGimp into the upgrade
m'larky :(

[Greg-123]

--- corncrake12 <corncrake12@...> wrote:
> What a shame that Microsoft have trapped WinGimp into the upgrade
> m'larky :(

For once, it's not a MS issue.  The developers simply choose not to
support earlier versions as the vast majority of people have upgraded
to XP (good move) and Vista (bad move).


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[corncrake12]

Greg wrote:
> corncrake12 wrote:
> > What a shame that Microsoft have trapped WinGimp into the upgrade
> > m'larky :(
>
> For once, it's not a MS issue.  The developers simply choose not to
> support earlier versions

Ah ha ! Since you mention it ,,,I did say trap not forced
Well I didnt want to accuse, here, the developers as being at fault
did I, LOL ! Get m'self hung drawn and quartered !!
Much safer to blame microsoft :)

/runs and hides,,
,, behind a LinuxLiveCD,
which I have also been reading up on.
I think that might be a good Gimp upgrade path,
a big step, a little nervous ,,,

[Jernej Simončič-2]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 06:37:10 -0800 (PST), Greg wrote:

> For once, it's not a MS issue.  The developers simply choose not to
> support earlier versions as the vast majority of people have upgraded
> to XP (good move) and Vista (bad move).

Windows 98/ME support was dropped with GTK+ 2.8 simply because they're
lacking things that newer GTK+ versions need to operate. This wasn't really
a problem with GIMP 2.2, because it only needed GTK+ 2.4 (note that the
developers hadn't cared about the problems on 98/ME ever since, also
because those systems are atrocious compared to NT), however GIMP 2.4
requires GTK+ 2.10, so Win98/ME support was finally completely dropped.

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