Getting to know each other

[kris-8]

Hi list,

the recent discussions about releasing Antville 1.2 made me realise
that I have no idea who is on this list. I'm interested in getting to
know you better and I'd like to know what you expect from the Antville
developer mailing list.

To kick things off, here is my introduction. I'm Christoph or kris for
short. I discovered weblogs in early 2000 because I used to work with
Frontier. Back then Dave Winer promoted weblogs heavily. I've always
been interested in creating popular community projects, such as
Disturbing Search Requests, ALO, Kompetenzteam, videos.antville and
Streetart, rather than personal weblogs. I used to worke with Hyperwave
for about five years, which made me appreciate the simplicity and
conceptional clarity of Helma.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, I moved to Vienna last August. I'm
now working as a web developer for ORF.at with Tobi, Robert and some
other people you way know when you read the Helma mailing lists. The
release of Antville 1.2 will more or less be a side product of my work
for ORF.at. I'm going invest some of my spare time but don't expect too
much. I'd rather go out and enjoy the offline activities in my new
hometown. ;-)

Well, so much for a starter. How about you? Who are you? Where do you
live and work? What are you doing with Antville or Helma? I'm looking
forward to reading from you.

Best regards,
kris

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[Samuel Oey]

Hi everybody,

I'm Samuel or "sam" from Sumaato. Sumaato is a young web/ application
/design agency in Weimar, Germany. We are currently working on Typolis
(a slightly modified Antville installation) and another more
Web2.0-application, that will hopefully be published in April. We have
some years of Blogging experience with Antville mainly from an editors
view. (I think kris introduced Antville at our university a few years
ago - thnx)
I worked with Php, Mysql for some years and I'm very happy to came
across Helma which is indeed a nifty software.

We had some really hard thoughts on how to proceed with our own
development. There are some ideas around that could improve Antville.
But I'm not sure if they fit in the Antville Roadmap. However -
contributions for Antville could be a side effect of our own work.
Because we have the next project running there is a shortage of time for
contributions that are off track.

so what is on our track:
(referring to http://blog.p3k.org/stories/4054/)
+ unify text, files and images
+ improve skin/data handling
maybe by type binding for automatic verification and form generating.
But maybe this is a thing that should be done for Helma. I think there
are some advantages on RubyonRails in that part?! I don't understand
Tobis suggestions here..
+ generic item types
+ tags
+ delegate more to client's site (ajax, maybe also xml/xsl?!)

cu
sam.




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[Franz Philipp Moser]

kris // diszko.org wrote:
> Hi list,

Hi list,

> the recent discussions about releasing Antville 1.2 made me realise
> that I have no idea who is on this list. I'm interested in getting to
> know you better and I'd like to know what you expect from the Antville
> developer mailing list.
<snip />

I'm Philipp and living in the capital of austria, in vienna. I have my
own firm, as you may have noticed :) (fpmedv). I'm administrator of a
small blogging community (mostly friends of mine, but also some others
like schools and firms), known as "Never the same"
http://weblogs.brandnews.at/.

I like the idea of sharing information and blogging is my prefered form.
I also like the way Open Source Software has shaped the internet and the
primary goal of the internet bringing people together, there for I use
antville.

I work also for knallgrau as a free developer for over an year. There
I'm one of the main developers of the CMS iEdit. I started with writing
modules and extentions for twoday but soon iEdit became my baby.

What I expect from the mailing list is that my questions are being
answered. Also if nobody knows an answer after 2 days there should be
some response from the mailinglist "superuser".

I'd like to discuss new features and I don't like the way some users
throw away new ideas with just an "we will not implement that".

We should open some king of contribute directory in cvs, where things go
that are not officially supported by the antville developer team, like
the tagging implementation. It should be clear who is responsible for
the contribution. Problems with contributions should also be discussed
over the mailing list. For this to work we will have to rewrite the
module framework, I think :)

And I would like to meet all the other people who work for the antville
development team to discuss some starting things face to face. "Antville
Bootcamp" :)

So I hope you can make yourself a picture of mine. If not, just visit my
weblog and you get a more detailed view of what I'm doing, what I like
and what I don't like.

cu Philipp
--
about me: http://weblogs.brandnews.at/pm/
XML is the ASCII for the new millenium
(Cocoon Documentation)
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[kris-8]

Hi,

thanks the responses so far. Since Philipp raised some question I'm
trying to anser them.

> What I expect from the mailing list is that my questions are being
> answered. Also if nobody knows an answer after 2 days there should be
> some response from the mailinglist "superuser".

If you haven't notice it yet then I'll say it with Gil Scott-Heron:
Ain't no such thing as Superman. We have to rely on each others to get
answers.

> I'd like to discuss new features and I don't like the way some users
> throw away new ideas with just an "we will not implement that".

I guess you are referring to me. Look, I have experienced in my studies
and my work, as well as in spinning records or in building websites in
my spare time that it is more important to leave things out that to put
them in. Just because things can be done or features can be implemented
doesn't mean they have to.

Apart from that, there is no roadmap for what happens after Antville
1.2. Antville was meant to be a show case application for Helma. In
case the development will continue, Antville needs a major rewrite and
cleanup to work with Helma 2.0. This is why I don't see the point it
adding any unnecessary features at the current time.

> And I would like to meet all the other people who work for the antville
> development team to discuss some starting things face to face.
> "Antville
> Bootcamp" :)

You talk about starting things but the signs of the time are more like
ending. But let's first see how many responses this thread gains.

Best,
kris

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