Geronimo v2.2 discussion

[Hernan Cunico]

Hi All,
We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't find
any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.

I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-roadmap.html>
page at the top of the Development section in the wiki front page,
http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume the discussion and
collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit access is limited to
committers/contributors though)

Does anybody already have a list?

Cheers!
Hernan

[Jacek Laskowski]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Hernan Cunico <hcunico@...> wrote:

> We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't find any
> hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.

It's likely because we've been discussing 2.1.2 so far and nobody
thought about rushing towards 2.2.

Jacek

--
Jacek Laskowski
Notatnik Projektanta Java EE - http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl

[Donald Woods-2]

Shouldn't we put roadmap/release/project management type info in the
GMOxPMT space instead?  The DEV space is getting crowded with other
topics and it's hard to find the Roadmap pages....


-Donald


Hernan Cunico wrote:

> Hi All,
> We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't find
> any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.
>
> I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-roadmap.html>
> page at the top of the Development section in the wiki front page,
> http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume the discussion and
> collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit access is limited to
> committers/contributors though)
>
> Does anybody already have a list?
>
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>

[Donald Woods-2]

Items I've seen mentioned so far for 2.2 -
   - Java SE 6 support
   - Derby 10.4.1.3
   - Dojo 1.1.1 (minimal for console usage and plugins for user apps)
   - Possible reorg of the Admin Console (if we enable collapsible tree)
   - JMS Portlet improvements
   - EJB Portlet improvements
   - Axis2 1.4
   - JAX-WS 2.1



Hernan Cunico wrote:

> Hi All,
> We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't find
> any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.
>
> I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-roadmap.html>
> page at the top of the Development section in the wiki front page,
> http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume the discussion and
> collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit access is limited to
> committers/contributors though)
>
> Does anybody already have a list?
>
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>

[dkulp]

>  - Axis2 1.4
>  - JAX-WS 2.1
CXF 2.1.x (current release is 2.1.1)

The three of these really are one item as they have to be done  
together.   Upgrading to JAX-WS 2.1 would require updating to the  
latest CXF and Axis2 versions.   Likewise, updating either Axis2 or  
CXF to the latest (non-patch) release would require updating to JAX-WS  
2.1 which would require updating all three.

Dan



On Jul 2, 2008, at 8:46 PM, Donald Woods wrote:

> Items I've seen mentioned so far for 2.2 -
>  - Java SE 6 support
>  - Derby 10.4.1.3
>  - Dojo 1.1.1 (minimal for console usage and plugins for user apps)
>  - Possible reorg of the Admin Console (if we enable collapsible tree)
>  - JMS Portlet improvements
>  - EJB Portlet improvements
>  - Axis2 1.4
>  - JAX-WS 2.1
>
>
>
> Hernan Cunico wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't  
>> find any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.
>> I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-
>> roadmap.html> page at the top of the Development section in the  
>> wiki front page, http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume  
>> the discussion and collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit  
>> access is limited to committers/contributors though)
>> Does anybody already have a list?
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan

---
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@...
http://www.dankulp.com/blog

[Shiva Kumar H R]

Shrey & myself are working on EAR Plan Creator and hope to complete by July end.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Donald Woods <dwoods@...> wrote:

Items I've seen mentioned so far for 2.2 -
 - Java SE 6 support
 - Derby 10.4.1.3
 - Dojo 1.1.1 (minimal for console usage and plugins for user apps)
 - Possible reorg of the Admin Console (if we enable collapsible tree)
 - JMS Portlet improvements
 - EJB Portlet improvements
 - Axis2 1.4
 - JAX-WS 2.1

Hernan Cunico wrote:

Hi All,
We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't find any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.

I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-roadmap.html> page at the top of the Development section in the wiki front page, http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume the discussion and collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit access is limited to committers/contributors though)

Does anybody already have a list?

Cheers!
Hernan

--
Thanks,
Shiva

[Hernan Cunico]

Donald Woods wrote:

> Shouldn't we put roadmap/release/project management type info in the
> GMOxPMT space instead?  The DEV space is getting crowded with other
> topics and it's hard to find the Roadmap pages....
>
>
> -Donald
>
>
> Hernan Cunico wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't
>> find any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.
>>
>> I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap
>> <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-roadmap.html> page at the top of the
>> Development section in the wiki front page,
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume the discussion and
>> collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit access is limited to
>> committers/contributors though)
>>
>> Does anybody already have a list?
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan
>>

OK, it's now moved to GMOxPMGT and renamed it to Geronimo 2.2 Release
Plan <http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxPMGT/geronimo-22-release-plan.html>

Cheers!
Hernan

[Joseph Leong]

I'm working on having the debug-views fully converted for dojo 1.1.1 purposes.

-Joseph Leong

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Hernan Cunico <hcunico@...> wrote:

Donald Woods wrote:

Shouldn't we put roadmap/release/project management type info in the GMOxPMT space instead?  The DEV space is getting crowded with other topics and it's hard to find the Roadmap pages....


-Donald


Hernan Cunico wrote:

Hi All,
We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't find any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.

I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-roadmap.html> page at the top of the Development section in the wiki front page, http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume the discussion and collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit access is limited to committers/contributors though)

Does anybody already have a list?

Cheers!
Hernan

OK, it's now moved to GMOxPMGT and renamed it to Geronimo 2.2 Release Plan <http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxPMGT/geronimo-22-release-plan.html>

Cheers!
Hernan

[Kevan Miller]

On Jul 2, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Jacek Laskowski wrote:

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Hernan Cunico <hcunico@...> wrote:

We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't find any

hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.

It's likely because we've been discussing 2.1.2 so far and nobody
thought about rushing towards 2.2.

Thanks Hernan!

Ya. There's been a lot of focus on 2.1.2, lately. Definitely looking forward to seeing more energies turning towards 2.2.

First, I'm thinking in terms of a September/October date for Geronimo 2.2. How do others feel about that as a target date?

The following are a mix of features that have been discussed previously, by me and others, and a few new brainstorming ideas. I've placed in categories, to help me think about them...

Java EE 6 features. We don't have an initial spec, yet, and many technologies don't have a finalized spec, but I expect we'll be able to introduce some EE 6 sneak-previews. (BTW, I'm assuming that 2.2 will be Java EE 5 certified. So, some caveats on what features we're able to introduce). Candidate features:

  - JSE 6 (as mentioned by Donald)

  - JAX-WS 2.1 (as mentioned by Donald and Dan)

  - EJB 3.1 - OpenEJB has been having some 3.1 related discussions. Would be great to start rolling out some EJB 3.1 features.

  - JASPI - I know David Jencks has started looking into this.

  - JCA 1.6 seems like another potential candidate

  - Concurrency Utilities: Jarek has done some implementation work for JSR 236. Will there be enough to be released?

  - Others?

Potential new function:

  - XML-based configuration state (i.e. no more config.ser)

  - SFSB clustering - Gianny has mentioned this in the past. Would be great to see...

  - scripting/code-by-convention environment - would be cool to see a Grails/JRuby on Rails environment integrated with Geronimo

  - GShell improvements - see http://cwiki.apache.org/GSHELL/goals.html

Usability

  - revamped logging code for some key components

  - improve deployment error messages

  - simplify plugin and custom assembly creation

Performance

  - would be great to see some new performance analysis and tuning work on Geronimo

  - improved startup times - I'd like to see a dramatic improvement in our EE startup time. I think this is an issue where Geronimo is used as a development environment.

Documentation

  - more and better ;-)

--kevan

[Jack-139]

As mentioned in my last mail, maybe we can do more work on usability -

Usability

  - revamped logging code for some key components

  - improve deployment error messages

  - simplify plugin and custom assembly creation
  - improve accessibility

2008/7/6 Kevan Miller <kevan.miller@...>:

On Jul 2, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Jacek Laskowski wrote:

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Hernan Cunico <hcunico@...> wrote:

We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't find any

hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.

It's likely because we've been discussing 2.1.2 so far and nobody
thought about rushing towards 2.2.

Thanks Hernan!

Ya. There's been a lot of focus on 2.1.2, lately. Definitely looking forward to seeing more energies turning towards 2.2.

First, I'm thinking in terms of a September/October date for Geronimo 2.2. How do others feel about that as a target date?

The following are a mix of features that have been discussed previously, by me and others, and a few new brainstorming ideas. I've placed in categories, to help me think about them...

Java EE 6 features. We don't have an initial spec, yet, and many technologies don't have a finalized spec, but I expect we'll be able to introduce some EE 6 sneak-previews. (BTW, I'm assuming that 2.2 will be Java EE 5 certified. So, some caveats on what features we're able to introduce). Candidate features:

  - JSE 6 (as mentioned by Donald)

  - JAX-WS 2.1 (as mentioned by Donald and Dan)

  - EJB 3.1 - OpenEJB has been having some 3.1 related discussions. Would be great to start rolling out some EJB 3.1 features.

  - JASPI - I know David Jencks has started looking into this.

  - JCA 1.6 seems like another potential candidate

  - Concurrency Utilities: Jarek has done some implementation work for JSR 236. Will there be enough to be released?

  - Others?

Potential new function:

  - XML-based configuration state (i.e. no more config.ser)

  - SFSB clustering - Gianny has mentioned this in the past. Would be great to see...

  - scripting/code-by-convention environment - would be cool to see a Grails/JRuby on Rails environment integrated with Geronimo

  - GShell improvements - see http://cwiki.apache.org/GSHELL/goals.html

Usability

  - revamped logging code for some key components

  - improve deployment error messages

  - simplify plugin and custom assembly creation

Performance

  - would be great to see some new performance analysis and tuning work on Geronimo

  - improved startup times - I'd like to see a dramatic improvement in our EE startup time. I think this is an issue where Geronimo is used as a development environment.

Documentation

  - more and better ;-)

--kevan

[Gianny Damour-2]

On 06/07/2008, at 7:16 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
...
> The following are a mix of features that have been discussed  
> previously, by me and others, and a few new brainstorming ideas.  
> I've placed in categories, to help me think about them...
>
...
> Potential new function:
>   - XML-based configuration state (i.e. no more config.ser)
>   - SFSB clustering - Gianny has mentioned this in the past. Would  
> be great to see...
Hello,

It is actually check-in in trunk: see http://article.gmane.org/ 
gmane.comp.java.geronimo.devel/59717 for the email I sent to dev@  
after having checked-in this feature.

Thanks,
Gianny

[Donald Woods-2]

Reviving the thread....

I'm updating/reorganizing our GMOxPMGT space to delineate between
Release Roadmaps and Release Status -
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxPMGT/Documentation

If you know of something going into 2.2, please add it with a couple
line description to the following wiki page -
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxPMGT/Geronimo+2.2+Release+Roadmap

If you've already checked new function into 2.2 or want to sign-up for a
feature, please add it to the above page plus the Status page at -
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxPMGT/Geronimo+2.2+Release+Status


Thanks!
Donald


Hernan Cunico wrote:

> Hi All,
> We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't find
> any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.
>
> I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-roadmap.html>
> page at the top of the Development section in the wiki front page,
> http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume the discussion and
> collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit access is limited to
> committers/contributors though)
>
> Does anybody already have a list?
>
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>

[Kevan Miller]

On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Donald Woods wrote:

Reviving the thread....

I'm updating/reorganizing our GMOxPMGT space to delineate between Release Roadmaps and Release Status -
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxPMGT/Documentation

If you know of something going into 2.2, please add it with a couple line description to the following wiki page -
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxPMGT/Geronimo+2.2+Release+Roadmap

If you've already checked new function into 2.2 or want to sign-up for a feature, please add it to the above page plus the Status page at -
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxPMGT/Geronimo+2.2+Release+Status

Cool. Thanks Donald!

--kevan

[Donald Woods-2]

Reviving thread....

Does anyone have additional items they would like to see in a 2.2
release that is not listed on the 2.2 Roadmap page?

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxPMGT/Geronimo+2.2+Release+Roadmap


-Donald


Hernan Cunico wrote:

> Hi All,
> We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't find
> any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.
>
> I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-roadmap.html>
> page at the top of the Development section in the wiki front page,
> http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume the discussion and
> collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit access is limited to
> committers/contributors though)
>
> Does anybody already have a list?
>
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>

[Joe Bohn]

I just added an item for Grails/JRuby that I'd like to investigate for 2.2.

Joe

Donald Woods wrote:

> Reviving thread....
>
> Does anyone have additional items they would like to see in a 2.2
> release that is not listed on the 2.2 Roadmap page?
>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxPMGT/Geronimo+2.2+Release+Roadmap 
>
>
>
> -Donald
>
>
> Hernan Cunico wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't
>> find any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.
>>
>> I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-roadmap.html>
>> page at the top of the Development section in the wiki front page,
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume the discussion and
>> collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit access is limited to
>> committers/contributors though)
>>
>> Does anybody already have a list?
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan
>>
>

[djencks]

I really think its essential that we upgrade to activemq 5.x.  I'm  
happy to work on this but have a bunch of stuff to finish first.  I'm  
likely to vote against any release proposal that doesn't include  
this.  If anyone else wants to take a look I'm happy to give advice.  
The first piece of advice is to use the "native" activemq spring  
configuration rather than our gbean component wrappers  -- or else  
find a 3rd new solution.

thanks
david jencks

On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Donald Woods wrote:

> Reviving thread....
>
> Does anyone have additional items they would like to see in a 2.2  
> release that is not listed on the 2.2 Roadmap page?
>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxPMGT/Geronimo+2.2+Release+Roadmap
>
>
> -Donald
>
>
> Hernan Cunico wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> We kinda started to have some discussion some time ago but couldn't  
>> find any hit on nabble so not sure were we left it.
>> I added a Geronimo v2.2 Roadmap <../GMOxDEV/geronimo-v22-
>> roadmap.html> page at the top of the Development section in the  
>> wiki front page, http://cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/ so we can resume  
>> the discussion and collect all our thoughts in one place. (edit  
>> access is limited to committers/contributors though)
>> Does anybody already have a list?
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan

[Kevan Miller]

On Sep 11, 2008, at 11:11 AM, David Jencks wrote:

> I really think its essential that we upgrade to activemq 5.x.  I'm  
> happy to work on this but have a bunch of stuff to finish first.  
> I'm likely to vote against any release proposal that doesn't include  
> this.  If anyone else wants to take a look I'm happy to give  
> advice.  The first piece of advice is to use the "native" activemq  
> spring configuration rather than our gbean component wrappers  -- or  
> else find a 3rd new solution.

I'd certainly agree that we need to rev to the latest AMQ release. I'd  
agree that it is *essential*.

Support for more flexible configuration of AMQ would certainly be  
nice, but probably not essential. I'd be happy to start with our  
existing capabilities and improve from there. That said, it'll  
probably be easier to hook in the native configuration...

--kevan