GNOME files disabled

[Claus Schwarm]

Hi,

according to a post by Eugenia Loli-Queru, GNOME files was hacked and
she has no intentions to re-activate the site.[1]

It currently re-directs to osnews.com.

It would be nice if someone could remove the paragraph 'Get more
software' on the GNOME community page [2] and maybe the link on
the software map page as well [3].


Cheers,
Claus


[1] http://osnews.com/staff/permalink.php/2897/goodbye_gnomefiles.html
[2] http://www.gnome.org/community/
[3] http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/
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[Stormy Peters-2]

Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the time to do this?

Stormy

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Claus Schwarm <c.schwarm@...> wrote:

Hi,

according to a post by Eugenia Loli-Queru, GNOME files was hacked and
she has no intentions to re-activate the site.[1]

It currently re-directs to osnews.com.

It would be nice if someone could remove the paragraph 'Get more
software' on the GNOME community page [2] and maybe the link on
the software map page as well [3].


Cheers,
Claus


[1] http://osnews.com/staff/permalink.php/2897/goodbye_gnomefiles.html
[2] http://www.gnome.org/community/
[3] http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/
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[Diego Escalante Urrelo]

Hi Stormy

On 9/4/08, Stormy Peters <stormy@...> wrote:
> Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the time to
> do this?
>

I just did[0], I disabled /softwaremap/ and commented the reference to
Get More Software in /community/.

For your future reference, all gnome webs are maintained in SVN,
usually named "project"-web or likely, for example planet-web or
gnomebr-web, etc. You only need an svn account to modify them. Thanks
for the heads up :-).

In other light of this same topic, shall we worry about the absence of
a site like gnomefiles.org?

greetings

0 - http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnomeweb-wml?view=revision&revision=6291
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[Stormy Peters-2]

What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I don't want to assume. :)

Stormy

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelo <diegoe@...> wrote:

Hi Stormy

On 9/4/08, Stormy Peters <stormy@...> wrote:
> Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the time to
> do this?
>

I just did[0], I disabled /softwaremap/ and commented the reference to
Get More Software in /community/.

For your future reference, all gnome webs are maintained in SVN,
usually named "project"-web or likely, for example planet-web or
gnomebr-web, etc. You only need an svn account to modify them. Thanks
for the heads up :-).

In other light of this same topic, shall we worry about the absence of
a site like gnomefiles.org?

greetings

0 - http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnomeweb-wml?view=revision&revision=6291

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[Luis Villa-3]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Stormy Peters <stormy@...> wrote:
> What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I
> don't want to assume. :)

closer to addons.mozilla.org- information (including updates, news,
etc.) about applications available for GNOME. One of those multiplier
things that creates a lot of value by giving everyone who does a GNOME
program a place to shout from.

Luis
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[Dave Neary]

Luis Villa wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Stormy Peters <stormy@...> wrote:
>> What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I
>> don't want to assume. :)
>
> closer to addons.mozilla.org- information (including updates, news,
> etc.) about applications available for GNOME. One of those multiplier
> things that creates a lot of value by giving everyone who does a GNOME
> program a place to shout from.

But also had a very low barrier to entry, which meant that it became
about as useful as Freshmeat at one stage.

Also refused to label non-free software as such when requested a few
years ago. Eventually recapitulated.

Cheers,
Dave.

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[Luis Villa-3]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Dave Neary <bolsh@...> wrote:

> Luis Villa wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Stormy Peters <stormy@...> wrote:
>>> What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I
>>> don't want to assume. :)
>>
>> closer to addons.mozilla.org- information (including updates, news,
>> etc.) about applications available for GNOME. One of those multiplier
>> things that creates a lot of value by giving everyone who does a GNOME
>> program a place to shout from.
>
> But also had a very low barrier to entry, which meant that it became
> about as useful as Freshmeat at one stage.

I'd say that ideally a replacement would have functionality similar to
a.m.o- ratings (including download counts and perhaps some sort of
'maturity' score based on the duration and number of updates) and
probably some editorial component for the front page.

Luis
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[Sayamindu Dasgupta]

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Luis Villa <luis@...> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Dave Neary <bolsh@...> wrote:
>> Luis Villa wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Stormy Peters <stormy@...> wrote:
>>>> What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I
>>>> don't want to assume. :)
>>>
>>> closer to addons.mozilla.org- information (including updates, news,
>>> etc.) about applications available for GNOME. One of those multiplier
>>> things that creates a lot of value by giving everyone who does a GNOME
>>> program a place to shout from.
>>
>> But also had a very low barrier to entry, which meant that it became
>> about as useful as Freshmeat at one stage.
>
> I'd say that ideally a replacement would have functionality similar to
> a.m.o- ratings (including download counts and perhaps some sort of
> 'maturity' score based on the duration and number of updates) and
> probably some editorial component for the front page.
>

a.m.o is powered by Remora (https://wiki.mozilla.org/Update:Remora). I
had a look at the code at some point, and it seemed to be hard coded
for Firefox and Thunderbird. However, there has been some efforts from
SugarLabs to modify the code to be more suitable for a generic
software map[1] - I'm not sure what the status of the project is right
now.

Thanks,
Sayamindu


[1] http://lists.lo-res.org/pipermail/its.an.education.project/2008-June/001019.html

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[Claus Schwarm]

Hi,

On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:38:34 -0500
"Diego Escalante Urrelo" <diegoe@...> wrote:

> Hi Stormy
>
> On 9/4/08, Stormy Peters <stormy@...> wrote:
> > Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the
> > time to do this?
> >
>
> I just did[0], I disabled /softwaremap/ and commented the reference to
> Get More Software in /community/.
>

Thanks a lot!

[snip]
> In other light of this same topic, shall we worry about the absence of
> a site like gnomefiles.org?
>

From a marketing point of view: Yes.

A site such gnomefiles is pull marketing [1] for the GNOME development
platform, and also supports the desktop due to network effects [2].

It's just not as efficient as for other platforms because releases are
rather boring if they cannot be installed easily and immediately. That
was the central problem of gnomefiles.


Cheers,
Claus

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-Pull_strategy
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effects
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[Simos Xenitellis-4]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Stormy Peters <stormy@...> wrote:
> What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I
> don't want to assume. :)

You can see how the website looked like at
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.gnomefiles.org/

Also, for individual project pages, see
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/*

Images are not cached at archive.org.

Simos

> Stormy
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelo <diegoe@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stormy
>>
>> On 9/4/08, Stormy Peters <stormy@...> wrote:
>> > Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the time
>> > to
>> > do this?
>> >
>>
>> I just did[0], I disabled /softwaremap/ and commented the reference to
>> Get More Software in /community/.
>>
>> For your future reference, all gnome webs are maintained in SVN,
>> usually named "project"-web or likely, for example planet-web or
>> gnomebr-web, etc. You only need an svn account to modify them. Thanks
>> for the heads up :-).
>>
>> In other light of this same topic, shall we worry about the absence of
>> a site like gnomefiles.org?
>>
>> greetings
>>
>> 0 - http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnomeweb-wml?view=revision&revision=6291
>
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[Thilo Pfennig-6]

Claus Schwarm schrieb:
> It's just not as efficient as for other platforms because releases are
> rather boring if they cannot be installed easily and immediately. That
> was the central problem of gnomefiles.
>
>  

Not specific to gnomefiles.org. Thats the same problem gnome.org has.
Like new GNOME but you have to compile yourself. Also same problem most
linuxbased FLOSS has.


ciao,
Thilo


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[Simos Xenitellis-4]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Thilo Pfennig <tp@...> wrote:

> Claus Schwarm schrieb:
>> It's just not as efficient as for other platforms because releases are
>> rather boring if they cannot be installed easily and immediately. That
>> was the central problem of gnomefiles.
>>
>>
>
> Not specific to gnomefiles.org. Thats the same problem gnome.org has.
> Like new GNOME but you have to compile yourself. Also same problem most
> linuxbased FLOSS has.

The importance I can see with gnomefiles.org is that it focuses on
intermediate users,
those that can afford to install some development packages, then run
./configure, make, sudo make install.
These users have a higher chance to pick up a project of their own,
and convert to GNOME developers later on.

Simos
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[Thilo Pfennig-6]

Simos Xenitellis schrieb:

> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Thilo Pfennig <tp@...> wrote:
>  
>> Claus Schwarm schrieb:
>>    
>>> It's just not as efficient as for other platforms because releases are
>>> rather boring if they cannot be installed easily and immediately. That
>>> was the central problem of gnomefiles.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>> Not specific to gnomefiles.org. Thats the same problem gnome.org has.
>> Like new GNOME but you have to compile yourself. Also same problem most
>> linuxbased FLOSS has.
>>    
>
> The importance I can see with gnomefiles.org is that it focuses on
> intermediate users,
> those that can afford to install some development packages, then run
> ./configure, make, sudo make install.
> These users have a higher chance to pick up a project of their own,
> and convert to GNOME developers later on.
>
> Simos
>  

Maybe a revision based directory would be cool. Like every distro has
another version of an application. They then could link to one directory
with &version=2.22&rev=0 or so - this would enable the view of one
application to be exact that of the linked version. So actually very
wiki-like, except that the revisions would be hardcoded. So this
descriptions could be used by every package manager and distribution.
Distributions may want to add some bits if they patch a version. But
that would be much nicer than of every distro needs to essentially copy
and paste the same bits. This could also be matched to a RSS feed, so
that people see when which version or description was updated.

Regards,
Thilo

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[Sriram Ramkrishna-2]

Can we not just port the existing gnomefiles website over?  It is
better than nothing.  We haev http://www.gtk-apps.org.  But I'm
not very enthuisastica bout this site and it's application list is
not complete.  

sri

On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 05:18:16PM +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote:

> Hi,
>
> according to a post by Eugenia Loli-Queru, GNOME files was hacked and
> she has no intentions to re-activate the site.[1]
>
> It currently re-directs to osnews.com.
>
> It would be nice if someone could remove the paragraph 'Get more
> software' on the GNOME community page [2] and maybe the link on
> the software map page as well [3].
>
>
> Cheers,
> Claus
>
>
> [1] http://osnews.com/staff/permalink.php/2897/goodbye_gnomefiles.html
> [2] http://www.gnome.org/community/
> [3] http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/
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[Andreas Nilsson]

Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> Can we not just port the existing gnomefiles website over?  It is
> better than nothing.  We haev http://www.gtk-apps.org.  But I'm
> not very enthuisastica bout this site and it's application list is
> not complete.  
>
> sri
>  
From
http://web.archive.org/web/20071212224222/www.gnomefiles.org/contact.php:
"The developer & owner of Gnomefiles' PHP source code is Eugenia Loli.
OSNews LLC (the company behind GnomeFiles) is using the source code
under a special licensing condition (at no cost). This repository engine
can be easily modified to store documents, music or any other item that
can be categorized. If you are interested in purchasing or licensing the
source code, email Eugenia directly at..."

Does this mean we can't pick up the code and host it ourselves?
It would be cool to get at least the data. The site filled a important gap.
If we can't host it ourselves, I'm interesting in start designing
something new if someone is willing to help with the code.
- Andreas

> On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 05:18:16PM +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote:
>  
>> Hi,
>>
>> according to a post by Eugenia Loli-Queru, GNOME files was hacked and
>> she has no intentions to re-activate the site.[1]
>>
>> It currently re-directs to osnews.com.
>>
>> It would be nice if someone could remove the paragraph 'Get more
>> software' on the GNOME community page [2] and maybe the link on
>> the software map page as well [3].
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Claus
>>
>>
>> [1] http://osnews.com/staff/permalink.php/2897/goodbye_gnomefiles.html
>> [2] http://www.gnome.org/community/
>> [3] http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/
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[Dave Neary]

Hi,
Andreas Nilsson wrote:

>>   From
> http://web.archive.org/web/20071212224222/www.gnomefiles.org/contact.php:
> "The developer & owner of Gnomefiles' PHP source code is Eugenia Loli.
> OSNews LLC (the company behind GnomeFiles) is using the source code
> under a special licensing condition (at no cost). This repository engine
> can be easily modified to store documents, music or any other item that
> can be categorized. If you are interested in purchasing or licensing the
> source code, email Eugenia directly at..."
>
> Does this mean we can't pick up the code and host it ourselves?
> It would be cool to get at least the data. The site filled a important gap.

Welcome to the world of proprietary software.

Dave.

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[Claus Schwarm]

Hi,

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:31:21 +0200
Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...> wrote:

> From
> http://web.archive.org/web/20071212224222/www.gnomefiles.org/contact.php:
> "The developer & owner of Gnomefiles' PHP source code is Eugenia
> Loli. OSNews LLC (the company behind GnomeFiles) is using the source
> code under a special licensing condition (at no cost). This
> repository engine can be easily modified to store documents, music or
> any other item that can be categorized. If you are interested in
> purchasing or licensing the source code, email Eugenia directly at..."
>
> Does this mean we can't pick up the code and host it ourselves?

Seems so.

> It would be cool to get at least the data. The site filled a
> important gap. If we can't host it ourselves, I'm interesting in
> start designing something new if someone is willing to help with the
> code.

I've once helped write something similar, called GnomeApps. [1] Its
code is still available but unmaintained. That makes is unsuitable to
use. Also, the data is outdated.

Finding developers wasn't much of a problem back then. Today, it would
be even easier, with frameworks such as Django [1].

However, you would need someone (or a team) to manage the whole thing,
provided you get a database backup. That could be the tricky part.


Cheers,
Claus

[1] http://gnome-apps.berlios.de/
[2] http://www.djangoproject.com/
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