Firefox irresponsible

[Javier Barroso-3]

Hi list,

Since one week ago I'm noticing firefox is sometimes irresponsible during three or four seconds.

First I experiment it with swiftfox, then I used Firefox (iceweasel) 2 and the problem didn't go out. Then I switch to iceweasel 3 from experimental, and I see this again.

I don't know how can I debug this problem. iceweasel take high % cpu during the time it is irresponsible.

If I exec strace I get:
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0])                 = 0
gettimeofday({1210772361, 739127}, NULL) = 0
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=11, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=12, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=13, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=17, events=POLLIN}, {fd=10, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=48, events=POLLIN}, {fd=28, events=POLLIN}, {fd=18, events=POLLIN}], 11, 0) = 0
gettimeofday({1210772361, 739254}, NULL) = 0
gettimeofday({1210772361, 739295}, NULL) = 0
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0])
...

But I think this strace doesn't give any clue.

Somebody with the same problem ? Any workarround ?

I didn't install any plugin recently (only tamper data and developer extension installed on my iceweasel)

Thanks you !

Debian Rocks !

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 03:57:43PM +0200, Javier Barroso wrote:
> Since one week ago I'm noticing firefox is sometimes irresponsible during
> three or four seconds.

I think you mean nonresponsive, but I love the comment that
firefox/iceweasel is irresponsible.  Perhaps its web designers who are
irresponsible.

LOL :)

> First I experiment it with swiftfox, then I used Firefox (iceweasel) 2 and
> the problem didn't go out. Then I switch to iceweasel 3 from experimental,
> and I see this again.
>
> I don't know how can I debug this problem. iceweasel take high % cpu during
> the time it is irresponsible.

Run top in an xterm/rxvt/whatever with a 0.25 second delay.  You could
even run it in batch mode for 100 repititions and tee it to a file for
checking after the 4-second event.  Look for not just the CPU load for
that process, but CPU and IO load globally.

[snip strace]
> But I think this strace doesn't give any clue.
I've never needed to learn how to read strace output.

> Somebody with the same problem ? Any workarround ?
I'm on dialup.  Its normal for me to wait for iceweasel to grab a page
and display it.  Sure it runs the CPU to 0% idle at times.  That's the
whole reason I bought by new computer: Athlon64 3800+ with 1 GB ram:
because iceweasel/firefox uses a lot of resources.  Most everything else
in my life can run just fine on my 486 or P-II.

> I didn't install any plugin recently (only tamper data and developer
> extension installed on my iceweasel)

I don't know what they do.

Good luck.

Doug.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Todd A. Jacobs]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 03:57:43PM +0200, Javier Barroso wrote:

> Since one week ago I'm noticing firefox is sometimes irresponsible
> during three or four seconds.

If you mean "unresponsive," I've often found that firefox is
unresponsive during heavy I/O, especially disk I/O. There are settings
you can change in prefs.js that can adjust rendering latency or increase
interactivity, but I'm not sure if they'd help you in your specific
circumstances.

For example, if I download a 600MB file with the DownThemAll extension,
firefox will appear to "lock up" for several seconds while concatenating
all the download segments and moving them to another drive or partition.
I don't think this is a bug, really, just a limitation of the current
application design.

Hope this helps.

--
"Oh, look: rocks!"
        -- Doctor Who, "Destiny of the Daleks"


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Kim Christensen-8]

Javier Barroso wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> Since one week ago I'm noticing firefox is sometimes irresponsible during
> three or four seconds.

[snip]

> I didn't install any plugin recently (only tamper data and developer
> extension installed on my iceweasel)

Please double-check that you haven't got "Tamper Data" enabled when you
experience these irresponsible (sic, couldn't resist...) moments of
browsing.

This extension can be pretty heavy on resources.

Regards,
Kim
--
|_|O|_|  Kim Christensen
|_|_|O|  Public key: http://rac.nu/kchr.asc
|O|O|O|  Web home:   http://rac.nu
--------------------------------------------------------
() ascii ribbon campain - against html e-mail
/\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Javier Barroso-3]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <dtutty@...> wrote:

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 03:57:43PM +0200, Javier Barroso wrote:
> Since one week ago I'm noticing firefox is sometimes irresponsible during
> three or four seconds.

I think you mean nonresponsive, but I love the comment that
firefox/iceweasel is irresponsible.  Perhaps its web designers who are
irresponsible.

Oh, sorry for my english, yes you understand it ;)

Run top in an xterm/rxvt/whatever with a 0.25 second delay.  You could
even run it in batch mode for 100 repititions and tee it to a file for
checking after the 4-second event.  Look for not just the CPU load for
that process, but CPU and IO load globally.

I'll do it the next time, thanks for the tip

> Somebody with the same problem ? Any workarround ?

I'm on dialup.  Its normal for me to wait for iceweasel to grab a page
and display it.

Well, firefox load pages fast, but sometimes It takes various seconds while I can't click any link / bookmark or google shortcut box



> I didn't install any plugin recently (only tamper data and developer
> extension installed on my iceweasel)

I don't know what they do.

Tamper helps you to track HTTP request (with possible changes 'on the fly'), and developer has many features interested

Good luck.

Thanks you

[Javier Barroso-3]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Todd A. Jacobs <nospam@...> wrote:

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 03:57:43PM +0200, Javier Barroso wrote:

> Since one week ago I'm noticing firefox is sometimes irresponsible
> during three or four seconds.

If you mean "unresponsive," I've often found that firefox is
unresponsive during heavy I/O, especially disk I/O. There are settings
you can change in prefs.js that can adjust rendering latency or increase
interactivity, but I'm not sure if they'd help you in your specific
circumstances.

Yes, I meant "unresponsive", but I think I don't have any heavy I/O (good pentium D, with many memory free and a sata disk, xfce and a few applications (low load average))

I'll use iotop the next time

Hope this helps.

Thanks you

[Javier Barroso-3]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Kim

Please double-check that you haven't got "Tamper Data" enabled when you
experience these irresponsible (sic, couldn't resist...) moments of
browsing.

I disabled both, but I'm sure tamper was off when it occurs

This extension can be pretty heavy on resources.

Thanks for advice

[Jean-Louis Crouzet]

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 03:57:43PM +0200, Javier Barroso wrote:
>> Since one week ago I'm noticing firefox is sometimes irresponsible during
>> three or four seconds.
>
> I think you mean nonresponsive, but I love the comment that
> firefox/iceweasel is irresponsible.  Perhaps its web designers who are
> irresponsible.
>
> LOL :)
>
>> First I experiment it with swiftfox, then I used Firefox (iceweasel) 2 and
>> the problem didn't go out. Then I switch to iceweasel 3 from experimental,
>> and I see this again.
>>
>> I don't know how can I debug this problem. iceweasel take high % cpu during
>> the time it is irresponsible.
>
> Run top in an xterm/rxvt/whatever with a 0.25 second delay.  You could
> even run it in batch mode for 100 repititions and tee it to a file for
> checking after the 4-second event.  Look for not just the CPU load for
> that process, but CPU and IO load globally.
>
> [snip strace]
>> But I think this strace doesn't give any clue.
> I've never needed to learn how to read strace output.
>
>> Somebody with the same problem ? Any workarround ?
> I'm on dialup.  Its normal for me to wait for iceweasel to grab a page
> and display it.  Sure it runs the CPU to 0% idle at times.  That's the
> whole reason I bought by new computer: Athlon64 3800+ with 1 GB ram:
> because iceweasel/firefox uses a lot of resources.  Most everything else
> in my life can run just fine on my 486 or P-II.
>
>> I didn't install any plugin recently (only tamper data and developer
>> extension installed on my iceweasel)
>
> I don't know what they do.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Doug.
>
>

FF is just a memory & cpu hog, I used to have a machine working OK with
my own optimized kernel but QT and xfce4 + FF are just eating all and I
swap like crazy... The recommendation I collected is just add few more
add-on like addblokplus but even then the ultimte recommendation was not
going into MySpace (of course...). Well at the end of the day I have
kill my process (sorry Iceweasel) tens times and I just get mad of it.
There is absolutely noway for me to invest RAM for Dell Optiplex GX200!
I currently have just 128MB but that has been for a long time enough.

FF, Iceweasel, Konqueror same battle (perhaps slightly better for
konqueror but por flash support).

Well I do not want to argue no more, thanks for reading I'm going to
surf IE7... just kidding.

Regards,
JL


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Carl Fink-6]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:32:22PM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:

> FF is just a memory & cpu hog, I used to have a machine working OK with
> my own optimized kernel but QT and xfce4 + FF are just eating all and I
> swap like crazy... The recommendation I collected is just add few more
> add-on like addblokplus but even then the ultimte recommendation was not
> going into MySpace (of course...). Well at the end of the day I have
> kill my process (sorry Iceweasel) tens times and I just get mad of it.
> There is absolutely noway for me to invest RAM for Dell Optiplex GX200!
> I currently have just 128MB but that has been for a long time enough.
>
> FF, Iceweasel, Konqueror same battle (perhaps slightly better for
> konqueror but por flash support).
>
> Well I do not want to argue no more, thanks for reading I'm going to
> surf IE7... just kidding.

Dillo?  If you need Flash support, Epiphany?
--
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@...

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!
Stupid mistakes you can correct!


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Raj Kiran Grandhi-3]

Javier Barroso wrote:
>
>      > Somebody with the same problem ? Any workarround ?
>     I'm on dialup.  Its normal for me to wait for iceweasel to grab a page
>     and display it.
>
> Well, firefox load pages fast, but sometimes It takes various seconds
> while I can't click any link / bookmark or google shortcut box

It is possible that firefox is busy running some javascript on one of
the open pages. I remember reading somewhere that javascript can only
run as a single thread for all the tabs and windows, so whenever a
script is executing the UI becomes unresponsive. I have had this problem
  some time back before I installed the noscript extension. You might
want to consider it.

Alternatively, you may consider adblockplus which is takes a
blacklisting approach rather than the explicit whitelisting approach of
noscript.


--
Raj Kiran Grandhi
--
Politics is for the moment. An equation is for eternity.
                                        -- Albert Einstein


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Jean-Louis Crouzet]

Carl Fink wrote:

> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:32:22PM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
>
>> FF is just a memory & cpu hog, I used to have a machine working OK with
>> my own optimized kernel but QT and xfce4 + FF are just eating all and I
>> swap like crazy... The recommendation I collected is just add few more
>> add-on like addblokplus but even then the ultimte recommendation was not
>> going into MySpace (of course...). Well at the end of the day I have
>> kill my process (sorry Iceweasel) tens times and I just get mad of it.
>> There is absolutely noway for me to invest RAM for Dell Optiplex GX200!
>> I currently have just 128MB but that has been for a long time enough.
>>
>> FF, Iceweasel, Konqueror same battle (perhaps slightly better for
>> konqueror but por flash support).
>>
>> Well I do not want to argue no more, thanks for reading I'm going to
>> surf IE7... just kidding.
>
> Dillo?  If you need Flash support, Epiphany?

Hi,

I'm not able to understand (I'm not English fluent to get it clear) your
message. Would you mind please elaborating?

Many thanks in anticipation.

Regards,
JL


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Mumia W..-4]

On 05/14/2008 08:57 AM, Javier Barroso wrote:
> Hi list,
>

Hi Javier.

> Since one week ago I'm noticing firefox is sometimes [unresponsive] during
> three or four seconds.
>
> First I experiment it with swiftfox, then I used Firefox (iceweasel) 2 and
> the problem didn't go out. Then I switch to iceweasel 3 from experimental,
> and I see this again.
>
> I don't know how can I debug this problem. iceweasel take high % cpu during
> the time it is irresponsible.
>
> If I exec strace I get: [...]

Do what I do: disable flash, disable javascript, don't visit youtube and
leave FF loaded only so long as you need it.

FF has a session saver feature that allows you to exit FF and restart it
with exactly the same windows and tabs you had before.

Good luck.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Carl Fink-6]

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 08:21:43AM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
> Carl Fink wrote:
> >On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:32:22PM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:

> >>FF, Iceweasel, Konqueror same battle (perhaps slightly better for
> >>konqueror but por flash support).
> >>
> >>Well I do not want to argue no more, thanks for reading I'm going to
> >>surf IE7... just kidding.
> >
> >Dillo?  If you need Flash support, Epiphany?

> I'm not able to understand (I'm not English fluent to get it clear) your
> message. Would you mind please elaborating?

Dillo is an extremely simple, extremely fast graphical web browser.  By
design it does not support advanced features like plugins.

Epiphany is a graphical browser that uses the same Gecko rendering engine as
Firefox, but is otherwise independent.  It's significantly smaller, uses
less RAM, and can still play Flash.
--
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@...

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!
Stupid mistakes you can correct!


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Jean-Louis Crouzet]

Carl Fink wrote:

> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 08:21:43AM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
>> Carl Fink wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:32:22PM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
>
>>>> FF, Iceweasel, Konqueror same battle (perhaps slightly better for
>>>> konqueror but por flash support).
>>>>
>>>> Well I do not want to argue no more, thanks for reading I'm going to
>>>> surf IE7... just kidding.
>>> Dillo?  If you need Flash support, Epiphany?
>
>> I'm not able to understand (I'm not English fluent to get it clear) your
>> message. Would you mind please elaborating?
>
> Dillo is an extremely simple, extremely fast graphical web browser.  By
> design it does not support advanced features like plugins.
>
> Epiphany is a graphical browser that uses the same Gecko rendering engine as
> Firefox, but is otherwise independent.  It's significantly smaller, uses
> less RAM, and can still play Flash.

Hello Carl,

You definitely made my day with Ephipany which works like a charm even
with flash used under MySpace (Music for instance). I haven't yet come
to a lock-up even using few tabs and it's light weight. I really
enjoying it.
THANKS.

Regards,
JL


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Jean-Louis Crouzet]

Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:

> Carl Fink wrote:
>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 08:21:43AM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
>>> Carl Fink wrote:
>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:32:22PM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
>>
>>>>> FF, Iceweasel, Konqueror same battle (perhaps slightly better for
>>>>> konqueror but por flash support).
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I do not want to argue no more, thanks for reading I'm going
>>>>> to surf IE7... just kidding.
>>>> Dillo?  If you need Flash support, Epiphany?
>>
>>> I'm not able to understand (I'm not English fluent to get it clear)
>>> your message. Would you mind please elaborating?
>>
>> Dillo is an extremely simple, extremely fast graphical web browser.  By
>> design it does not support advanced features like plugins.
>>
>> Epiphany is a graphical browser that uses the same Gecko rendering
>> engine as
>> Firefox, but is otherwise independent.  It's significantly smaller, uses
>> less RAM, and can still play Flash.
> Hello Carl,
>
> You definitely made my day with Ephipany which works like a charm even
> with flash used under MySpace (Music for instance). I haven't yet come
> to a lock-up even using few tabs and it's light weight. I really
> enjoying it.
> THANKS.
>
> Regards,
> JL
>
>

Shoot too fast, I crashed again on MySpace with Epiphany....
I tried Dillo, nice but too restricted for what I need.

Thks,
JL


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[andy-101]

Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:

> Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
>> Carl Fink wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 08:21:43AM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
>>>> Carl Fink wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:32:22PM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> FF, Iceweasel, Konqueror same battle (perhaps slightly better for
>>>>>> konqueror but por flash support).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I do not want to argue no more, thanks for reading I'm going
>>>>>> to surf IE7... just kidding.
>>>>> Dillo?  If you need Flash support, Epiphany?
>>>
>>>> I'm not able to understand (I'm not English fluent to get it clear)
>>>> your message. Would you mind please elaborating?
>>>
>>> Dillo is an extremely simple, extremely fast graphical web browser.  By
>>> design it does not support advanced features like plugins.
>>>
>>> Epiphany is a graphical browser that uses the same Gecko rendering
>>> engine as
>>> Firefox, but is otherwise independent.  It's significantly smaller,
>>> uses
>>> less RAM, and can still play Flash.
>> Hello Carl,
>>
>> You definitely made my day with Ephipany which works like a charm
>> even with flash used under MySpace (Music for instance). I haven't
>> yet come to a lock-up even using few tabs and it's light weight. I
>> really enjoying it.
>> THANKS.
>>
>> Regards,
>> JL
>>
>>
> Shoot too fast, I crashed again on MySpace with Epiphany....
> I tried Dillo, nice but too restricted for what I need.
>
> Thks,
> JL
>
>

You might want to try out Kazehakase. I've been testing it out for a few
days now and it runs on the Gecko engine or WebKit (you get to choose) -
seems to be absolutely fine and runs youtube vids, if that's important,
as well as myspace.

Only thing two things I'd like to see at this point is: (a) when opening
a new tab, I'd like the text cursor to automatically be ready to type
into the address bar and (b) a quick and easy way to delete personal
data like Iceweasel (and Opera, I think) has. Other than that -
Kazehakase is working just fine for me.

HtH

A

--

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[celejar]

On Thu, 15 May 2008 02:49:13 -0500
"Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@...> wrote:

> On 05/14/2008 08:57 AM, Javier Barroso wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
>
> Hi Javier.
>
> > Since one week ago I'm noticing firefox is sometimes [unresponsive] during
> > three or four seconds.

...

> Do what I do: disable flash, disable javascript, don't visit youtube and
> leave FF loaded only so long as you need it.

I agree that not visiting youtube is generally good advice, independent
of its deleterious effects on FF, but on those occasions that one does
visit it, one can view the site using the browser without flash, and
download videos with youtube-dl or clive.

Celejar
--
mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email
ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[joseph lockhart]

"Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@...> wrote:

On 05/14/2008 08:57 AM, Javier Barroso wrote:
> Hi list,
>

Hi Javier.

> Since one week ago I'm noticing firefox is sometimes [unresponsive] during
> three or four seconds.
>
> First I experiment it with swiftfox, then I used Firefox (iceweasel) 2 and
> the problem didn't go out. Then I switch to iceweasel 3 from experimental,
> and I see this again.
>
> I don't know how can I debug this problem. iceweasel take high % cpu during
> the time it is irresponsible.
>
> If I exec strace I get: [...]

Do what I do: disable flash, disable javascript, don't visit youtube and
leave FF loaded only so long as you need it.

opera is a good option, personally I use several browsers for different things
    - opera - general browsing
    - konqueror - file management, troubleshooting when using online helps (the built in terminal is quite useful here)
    - firefox - the web apps that I need for work need both java and flash so no option here
    - lynx/elinks - when I am reading documents (who says we need fancy things like pictures)
    - dillo - I keep this around because I am intrested in its development, it seems to have great potential in becoming a top of the line, lightweight browser


jwlockhart

Registered Linux User #458799
Registered Kubuntu Use