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Re: Performance of FM & Mac Minis

2008-10-06T18:14:07Z

On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Hank Shrier wrote:

> Seems to me that $40.00 to 60.00 a month beats the daylights out of
> doing
> your own hosting. My hosting service is Point in Space. The
> service has
> been fast, reliable and most importantly, friendly.

We're a former Point In Space client and will echo Hank's sentiments.

For the average small shop a FMS hosting service performs well at a
lower cost and frustration than DIY hosting. It certainly overcomes
the financial arguments against FMS that three to nine seat shop
often use to defend a peer to peer set up.

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Re: Calendar

2008-10-06T17:34:35Z

On Oct 6, 2008, at 2:19 PM, sjjjfay wrote:

> Looking for a simple solution to create a perpetual calendar.

If you are seeking a solid appt module to plug-in to your existing
solution or for a good starting place, check out our product
Appointment 1.0:

http://www.appointment10.com

The are a few videos that you can watch to get a nice orientation to
the product in my signature.

Good luck ;-)

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Re: FM Server 9 running on Mac Pro W Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard

2008-10-06T16:52:20Z

My FMS 9.03 is on a G5, 1.8 GHz, 1GB RAM, 2 processors, Leopard.
Latest Java. Serves about 30 users, mostly Macs of varying versions.
Speed has not been an issue and the server is physically about 3 miles
away from the main user group. It's been solid.

Susan

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On Oct 6, 2008, at 1:13 PM, revDAVE wrote:

> I would hope that it is OK to run FM Server 9.03 on a 4 core Mac Pro
> W Mac
> OS X v10.5 Leopard (latest updates)?
>
> What about with the latest java update? Is it better to use an older
> java
> for FMS 9?
>
> Any idea how much faster it might be running on 10.4 tiger on a g4
> 1.25
> Single core?
>
>
>
>
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IWP password changing

2008-10-06T16:49:37Z

Running an online database I have users who need to change initial
passwords. FM 9 shows that password changing is now a web enabled
function. I am running FM Server version 9.0.3.325 on a Windows 2003
server. Has anyone been able to make this function work? If you need
more information please let me know.

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Re: Calendar

2008-10-06T16:07:53Z

>Looking for a simple solution to create a perpetual calendar.

If you are trying to create from scratch, there are several magic numbers:

42 - The number of days you have to account for in any calendar. You
have to cover a 6 week period to get one month.

This reflects the number of relationships you will need if you really
want to capture and display events.

7 - You know that by the 7th day, the month has started. The first of
the month can be from Sunday to Saturday.

Starting from day 7, you can work backwards to find out when the
month really starts and fill in dates on the calendar.

If you are looking to have a start, there have already been some good
suggestions. I also have three calendaring solutions. Go to:

http://www.lichen-software.com/dbase_microbiz_movie.html

This will link you to a QuickTime movie showing Simple Schedule,
Group Schedule and Little Helper in operation.

I am sure that if you do a search, there are also others.

Have fun

Dave McQueen

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Re: Performance of FM & Mac Minis

2008-10-06T15:33:28Z

In a different life I ran a school solution that required a separate
FM6 Pro 'server' for each school, it was a sophisticated and messy
CDML solution. The Mac mini was an excellent option in that situation,
cheap, small, fast enough etc. We were up to about 10 schools/Minis
when I left that job, I can only assume the solution is still running
and adding Minis as new schools come online. We experienced very few
issues and when a given Mini was having trouble we only had that
school down.

I use Minis as my own development servers and couldn't be happier with
their performance. But if you decide to use Mac Minis as a server in a
production environment, the best thing you can do for performance is
replace the drive. At last look Apple was shipping 5400 RPM drives in
new Minis, which is understandable for a consumer system, but no good
for a server. You need at least 7200 and preferably a 10000 RPM drive.

To answer your original question John, I'd say you'll be pretty
satisfied with a Mac-based system. However, you should also take into
account how your users will respond to switching from Windows to Mac,
they may have specific needs that only Windows can provide, even with
Parallels, VMware, and Boot Camp as possible solutions for these users.

As others here have suggested, nothing can beat having a system with
server-grade specs, and those Xserves are oh so pretty. However, based
on you budget, expected server load, complexity of your solution, and
other central services you want to provide, I'd say a current model
Mini (with a faster drive and loads of RAM) could suffice as a decent
FileMaker Server to small group of moderate users.

On Oct 5, 2008, at 9:52 PM, CSORI wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm getting sick of my windows network (licensing, spyware &
> viruses) and was wondering how performance
> would be on the following:
>
> X server (base model) Running FMS 9, 7 mac minis (base model 1 meg)
> running FM 9, word and email.
>
> Vs
>
> Win 2003 Server, Running FMS 9, 7 WinXPs ($400 machines 1 meg)
> running FM 9, word, webroot anti spyware/antivirus and email.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> John F. Winfield, Jr.
> Cremation Society of Rhode Island
> Post Office Box 216
> Scituate, RI 02857
> 401-647-0620

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Re: Calendar

2008-10-06T14:39:42Z

Easy to use, yet very powerful, you might want to check out Schedula™.
You can download a copy of the program from our web site. Be sure to
review the ReadMe file as it includes details about everything that
the program can do.

Regards... CJ

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On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:19 PM, sjjjfay wrote:

> Looking for a simple solution to create a perpetual calendar.

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Re: Calendar

2008-10-06T14:36:47Z

On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:19 PM, sjjjfay wrote:

> Looking for a simple solution to create a perpetual calendar.

You should visit http://www.seedcode.com/ to see the calendar
solutions they have on offer there.

Cheers,
-corn

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Calendar

2008-10-06T14:19:53Z

Looking for a simple solution to create a perpetual calendar.

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FM Server 9 running on Mac Pro W Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard

2008-10-06T14:08:49Z

I would hope that it is OK to run FM Server 9.03 on a 4 core Mac Pro W Mac
OS X v10.5 Leopard (latest updates)?

What about with the latest java update? Is it better to use an older java
for FMS 9?

Any idea how much faster it might be running on 10.4 tiger on a g4 1.25
Single core?

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RE: Performance of FM & Mac Minis

2008-10-06T13:57:15Z

While I have been reading this casually, why has no one suggested hiring a
company that already has the hardware and the expertise. Seems to me you
could host for a very long time before paying of the hardware, software,
maintenance, and downtime costs associated with running your own server.

Seems to me that $40.00 to 60.00 a month beats the daylights out of doing
your own hosting. My hosting service is Point in Space. The service has
been fast, reliable and most importantly, friendly. It's rare to see John
post something. Guess he invests his time in his clients.

Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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Subject: Re: Performance of FM & Mac Minis

I would second Bob's suggestion of picking up the G5 Xserves. You can
get both the cluster and non-cluster boxes off Ebay, though do be sure
to purchase from a reputable seller with a good return policy.

Note that, although many others seem to be confused/misled on this
point, MHz for MHz the G5 is just as fast as the Core (2) Duos. Eg: a
dual processor 2GHz G5 Xserve is just as fast, processor wise, as a 2GHz
Core 2 Duo Intel chip. Trust me, we've done lots of tests here
regarding such.

Not to mention that the Xserves have *much* better busses, drive
controllers, monitoring hardware, yadda-yadda-yadda. And a dual
processor G5 Xserve will handle all but the most intensive environments.

Don't use consumer grade hardware for server-class applications - do
yourself a favor and go the Xserve route.

- John

Bob Patin wrote:

> John,
>
> We use a mix of Xserves and G5s here, and are gradually transitioning to
> all Xserves, mainly because of the space constraints and ease of drive
> swaps in Xserves.
>
> Interestingly, in 15 years, I've had two hardware failures on Macs--one
> was a desktop Mac not used for a server, and its motherboard failed. The
> second was a couple of weeks ago, when a power supply in an Xserve
> failed and the computer just shut down.
>
> On the other hand, back in the 90s when I first got started hosting
> sites, I used an iMac for hosting a couple of CDML sites; now that I've
> almost completely gotten my clients to upgrade to PHP solutions, there
> are only a half-dozen sites here still running CDML, and one of these is
> still running on the same iMac he was using years ago (and which won't
> be upgraded since I'm trying to get him to redo his site in CDML!). It's
> been on 24/7 for 12 years, and never had a problem; the web server is a
> G5, but his database is still funneling through Filemaker Unlimited 6 on
> an old iMac!
>
> I know this is anecdotal, but in the years we've been hosting, we've had
> better luck with desktop Macs than with Xserves. Heat is a problem here
> because we have 30 machines running, but we built a server room with its
> own A/C and I'm curious to see what difference would be seen if we were
> running all Xserves instead of a mix of desktops and rack-mounted
> machines--I suspect the difference is probably fairly negligible.
>
> When the Mac Mini came out we used them for development machines, and I
> still have a half-dozen here for backups--one is my itunes machine and
> runs 24/7, and it's been flawless so far. At Devcon every year this
> question comes up, and there are always dire warnings about using Mac
> Minis for mission-critical work, and I agree with this; if your business
> relies on your computers, and you're running on consumer-grade machines
> with 4200RPM drives, you're tempting fate.
>
> Having said this, I've yet to lose a drive in a Mac Mini, but that's not
> to say that I think it's a wise plan to use them as servers. It was
> really nice the other day, when the Xserve power supply failed, to
> simply pull the drive and put it into one of the other Xserves. Within
> minutes I had service restored.
>
> My advice is this: get on eBay and buy some Xserve G5s or cluster-nodes;
> the only thing to keep in mind with cluster-node machines is that they
> don't have video cards, so putting an OS on them can be difficult
> without at least one Xserve that has a DVD drive and a video card. Also,
> the cluster-nodes don't have dual drive bays; however, you can find them
> for around $500-600, and you're getting true server-grade hardware, even
> if they're G5s and not Intel boxes.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bob Patin
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>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2008, at 11:52 PM, CSORI wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm getting sick of my windows network (licensing, spyware & viruses)
>> and was wondering how performance
>> would be on the following:
>>
>> X server (base model) Running FMS 9, 7 mac minis (base model 1 meg)
>> running FM 9, word and email.
>>
>> Vs
>>
>> Win 2003 Server, Running FMS 9, 7 WinXPs ($400 machines 1 meg) running
>> FM 9, word, webroot anti spyware/antivirus and email.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John F. Winfield, Jr.
>> Cremation Society of Rhode Island
>> Post Office Box 216
>> Scituate, RI 02857
>> 401-647-0620
>> _

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Re: Performance of FM & Mac Minis

2008-10-06T13:03:30Z

I would second Bob's suggestion of picking up the G5 Xserves. You can
get both the cluster and non-cluster boxes off Ebay, though do be sure
to purchase from a reputable seller with a good return policy.

Note that, although many others seem to be confused/misled on this
point, MHz for MHz the G5 is just as fast as the Core (2) Duos. Eg: a
dual processor 2GHz G5 Xserve is just as fast, processor wise, as a 2GHz
Core 2 Duo Intel chip. Trust me, we've done lots of tests here
regarding such.

Not to mention that the Xserves have *much* better busses, drive
controllers, monitoring hardware, yadda-yadda-yadda. And a dual
processor G5 Xserve will handle all but the most intensive environments.

Don't use consumer grade hardware for server-class applications - do
yourself a favor and go the Xserve route.

- John

Bob Patin wrote:

> John,
>
> We use a mix of Xserves and G5s here, and are gradually transitioning to
> all Xserves, mainly because of the space constraints and ease of drive
> swaps in Xserves.
>
> Interestingly, in 15 years, I've had two hardware failures on Macs--one
> was a desktop Mac not used for a server, and its motherboard failed. The
> second was a couple of weeks ago, when a power supply in an Xserve
> failed and the computer just shut down.
>
> On the other hand, back in the 90s when I first got started hosting
> sites, I used an iMac for hosting a couple of CDML sites; now that I've
> almost completely gotten my clients to upgrade to PHP solutions, there
> are only a half-dozen sites here still running CDML, and one of these is
> still running on the same iMac he was using years ago (and which won't
> be upgraded since I'm trying to get him to redo his site in CDML!). It's
> been on 24/7 for 12 years, and never had a problem; the web server is a
> G5, but his database is still funneling through Filemaker Unlimited 6 on
> an old iMac!
>
> I know this is anecdotal, but in the years we've been hosting, we've had
> better luck with desktop Macs than with Xserves. Heat is a problem here
> because we have 30 machines running, but we built a server room with its
> own A/C and I'm curious to see what difference would be seen if we were
> running all Xserves instead of a mix of desktops and rack-mounted
> machines--I suspect the difference is probably fairly negligible.
>
> When the Mac Mini came out we used them for development machines, and I
> still have a half-dozen here for backups--one is my itunes machine and
> runs 24/7, and it's been flawless so far. At Devcon every year this
> question comes up, and there are always dire warnings about using Mac
> Minis for mission-critical work, and I agree with this; if your business
> relies on your computers, and you're running on consumer-grade machines
> with 4200RPM drives, you're tempting fate.
>
> Having said this, I've yet to lose a drive in a Mac Mini, but that's not
> to say that I think it's a wise plan to use them as servers. It was
> really nice the other day, when the Xserve power supply failed, to
> simply pull the drive and put it into one of the other Xserves. Within
> minutes I had service restored.
>
> My advice is this: get on eBay and buy some Xserve G5s or cluster-nodes;
> the only thing to keep in mind with cluster-node machines is that they
> don't have video cards, so putting an OS on them can be difficult
> without at least one Xserve that has a DVD drive and a video card. Also,
> the cluster-nodes don't have dual drive bays; however, you can find them
> for around $500-600, and you're getting true server-grade hardware, even
> if they're G5s and not Intel boxes.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bob Patin
> Longterm Solutions
> bob@...
> 615-333-6858
> http://www.longtermsolutions.com
> iChat: bobpatin
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> --------------------------
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> PHP • Full email services • Free DNS hosting • Colocation • Consulting
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2008, at 11:52 PM, CSORI wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm getting sick of my windows network (licensing, spyware & viruses)
>> and was wondering how performance
>> would be on the following:
>>
>> X server (base model) Running FMS 9, 7 mac minis (base model 1 meg)
>> running FM 9, word and email.
>>
>> Vs
>>
>> Win 2003 Server, Running FMS 9, 7 WinXPs ($400 machines 1 meg) running
>> FM 9, word, webroot anti spyware/antivirus and email.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John F. Winfield, Jr.
>> Cremation Society of Rhode Island
>> Post Office Box 216
>> Scituate, RI 02857
>> 401-647-0620
>> _

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Re: Large Photo File

2008-10-06T12:44:38Z

Geoff,

Could you elaborate on this? Does it work in the webviewer inside of
FMPro, and if so, how? I've been working on a solution for our image
filing, and one of the annoying drawbacks is that if I point a FMPro
Webviewer to one of my high-res images on the server, it loads a huge
image and will not resize that image to fit the window. I've looked
for some checkbox or setting to get it to resize for the window, but
I haven't found it. Supercontainer will do that, but I haven't been
able to make straight FMPro 9 do it. Or is this something that would
have to be coded somehow?

Thanks for any help you can give.

Rick

On Oct 3, 2008, at 6:00 PM, FMPRO-L automatic digest system wrote:

>
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:15:44 -0400
> From: Geoff Graham <geoffg@...>
> Subject: Re: Large Photo File
>
> On MacOS 10.5, WebKit resizes images on the fly, so this isn't an
> issue.
>
> geoff

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the field x can't be delated because is used by the privilege y

2008-10-06T11:54:49Z

Hello folks,
I need to remove a container field from a FM9 DB but when I try to do
that I get a message that sounds like "the field x can't be delated
because is used by the privilege y"
I checked out the privilege but I couldn't find anything about that.

How can I delete the field?

Thanks and have a great day !

Sig

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Re: Duping or Importing

2008-10-06T11:52:55Z

On 2008 Oct 6, at 11:21, Peter Kilcoyne wrote:

> Hi Folks:
>
> My question is what's the best method to dupe records? I have two
> databases, one is the "main" database where using a portal the user
> creates and view "parts" of the main job that will live in the
> second database. But since a majority of the work we do has been
> done last year and only needs minor updates, I want to duplicate
> the older "Parts" into the new "Main" with a new job number which
> is auto generated via a script when a new job is created.
>
> The idea is the user would search the records for the job they want
> to dupe and via a script the would be able to import/dupe all of
> the records associated with that job into the new "Main" job with
> the updated job numbers. Then they can go about making the minor
> informational changes manually
>
> Any ideas?
> TIA:
> Peter

Here's how I'd do it.

In "Main" create global fields for "Old Record ID" and "New Record
ID". In "Parts" create global fields for "Record Count" and "Step
Number".

In "Main" create a "Dupe" button and attach it to a script called
"Dupe Main and Parts".

Within that script, start by saving the current record ID into "Old
Record ID". Then duplicate the existing "Main" record and save ITS
record ID in "New Record ID".

Next the script turns its attention to "Parts", where it does a Find
for all records where "Main Rec ID" matches "Old Record ID". Fill
"Record Count" with "Get ( FoundCount )" and "Step Number" with "0".
Sort by anything. (Doesn't matter what; the idea is that, in a sorted
list, duplicates get added immediately after the record they're a
dupe OF, while in an unsorted list, they get added to the end of the
list.) Go to 1st record. Start a loop which will end when "Step
Number" equals "Record Count". Duplicate the record, change "Main Rec
ID" to "New Record ID", add 1 to "Step Number", go to next record,
end loop.

Last script step should be to return to "Main", where you will see
your newly created "Main" record and all its associated "Parts"
records displayed in their portal.

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Re: FileMaker and GroupWise

2008-10-06T11:50:11Z

It's been years since I used Groupwise but back then FileMaker could not
send an email using it. To my knowledge that hasn't changed although
checking FileMaker Help says:

To send mail, you must have an internet connection and the following
configurations.
Windows:
- A [Mail] section in the Win.ini file.
- Microsoft Exchange or another email applications that is MAPI
compliant installed and configured properly.

Back in the day, we used to get around lack of support for Groupwise by
composing a mailto URL instead and use the OpenURL step.

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software that works for you

> From: Christoph Reichenberger <chrei-list@...>
> Reply-To: <fmpexperts@...>
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:37:22 +0200
> To: <fmpexperts@...>
> Subject: FileMaker and GroupWise
>
> Dear Experts,
>
> Running FileMaker 9 on a Windows 2003 Server PC
> I tried to use FileMaker's E-Mail script step to send an e-mail via a
> GroupWise client.
>
> When I search the web, I find postings that FileMaker's script step
> should be compatible
> with GroupWise, but when I execute the step, nothing happens.
>
> Does anybody have any experience with that?
> Are there probably any settings, I am missing?
>
> Any hint would be highly appreciated.
>
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RE: Performance of FM & Mac Minis

2008-10-06T11:49:08Z

Since we're talking about database performance, we should also note that the
hard drive is a common component between the two platforms. Thus, a hard
drive "hard" crash is not related to the mnfg of the computer, or the OS
running on the box. It's also important to note that hardware failure is
not the only way for a drive to fail. A drive can also "soft" fail -
meaning it can have an error reading or writing one bit of data from/to a
sector. This type of failure is more likely to be properly managed in a
server-style drive subsystem.

--
Richard DeShong, Athletic Study Center, UCBerkeley

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From: Bob Patin

John,
We use a mix of Xserves and G5s here, and are gradually transitioning
to all Xserves, mainly because of the space constraints and ease of
drive swaps in Xserves.
Interestingly, in 15 years, I've had two hardware failures on Macs--
one was a desktop Mac not used for a server, and its motherboard
failed. The second was a couple of weeks ago, when a power supply in
an Xserve failed and the computer just shut down.
On the other hand, back in the 90s when I first got started hosting
sites, I used an iMac for hosting a couple of CDML sites; now that
I've almost completely gotten my clients to upgrade to PHP solutions,
there are only a half-dozen sites here still running CDML, and one of
these is still running on the same iMac he was using years ago (and
which won't be upgraded since I'm trying to get him to redo his site
in CDML!). It's been on 24/7 for 12 years, and never had a problem;
the web server is a G5, but his database is still funneling through
Filemaker Unlimited 6 on an old iMac!
I know this is anecdotal, but in the years we've been hosting, we've
had better luck with desktop Macs than with Xserves. Heat is a problem
here because we have 30 machines running, but we built a server room
with its own A/C and I'm curious to see what difference would be seen
if we were running all Xserves instead of a mix of desktops and rack-
mounted machines--I suspect the difference is probably fairly
negligible.
When the Mac Mini came out we used them for development machines, and
I still have a half-dozen here for backups--one is my itunes machine
and runs 24/7, and it's been flawless so far. At Devcon every year
this question comes up, and there are always dire warnings about using
Mac Minis for mission-critical work, and I agree with this; if your
business relies on your computers, and you're running on consumer-
grade machines with 4200RPM drives, you're tempting fate.
Having said this, I've yet to lose a drive in a Mac Mini, but that's
not to say that I think it's a wise plan to use them as servers. It
was really nice the other day, when the Xserve power supply failed, to
simply pull the drive and put it into one of the other Xserves. Within
minutes I had service restored.
My advice is this: get on eBay and buy some Xserve G5s or cluster-
nodes; the only thing to keep in mind with cluster-node machines is
that they don't have video cards, so putting an OS on them can be
difficult without at least one Xserve that has a DVD drive and a video
card. Also, the cluster-nodes don't have dual drive bays; however, you
can find them for around $500-600, and you're getting true server-
grade hardware, even if they're G5s and not Intel boxes.

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Re: xsl:for-each-group?

2008-10-06T11:13:47Z

On 10/6/08 1:55 PM, "Eric Scheid" <genius@...> wrote in whole or
in part:

> On 7/10/08 12:00 AM, "Mikhail Edoshin" <m.edoshin@...> wrote:
>
>> <xsl:variable name="STATE" select="1" />
>> <xsl:variable name="CITY" select="2" />
>> <xsl:variable name="NAME" select="3" />
>
>> <xsl:value-of select="fmp:COL[$NAME]" />
>
> Oh, nice tip. Very nice. I have some horrible code I should go clean up.

I concur! This makes it easy to see the field names when you are using
COL[#]. I've been adding the field name (as a comment) to verify my work,
because it doesn't show in the final result. But this IS a nice method. :)

Thanks, Mikhail!

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Re: xsl:for-each-group?

2008-10-06T10:54:49Z

On 7/10/08 12:00 AM, "Mikhail Edoshin" <m.edoshin@...> wrote:

> <xsl:variable name="STATE" select="1" />
> <xsl:variable name="CITY" select="2" />
> <xsl:variable name="NAME" select="3" />

> <xsl:value-of select="fmp:COL[$NAME]" />

Oh, nice tip. Very nice. I have some horrible code I should go clean up.

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FileMaker and GroupWise

2008-10-06T10:37:22Z

Dear Experts,

Running FileMaker 9 on a Windows 2003 Server PC
I tried to use FileMaker's E-Mail script step to send an e-mail via a
GroupWise client.

When I search the web, I find postings that FileMaker's script step
should be compatible
with GroupWise, but when I execute the step, nothing happens.

Does anybody have any experience with that?
Are there probably any settings, I am missing?

Any hint would be highly appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: Number in the value list

2008-10-06T10:31:22Z

Patrick

GetValue() returns only the text of a list value - without a final
pilcrow - you might want to use this rather than LeftValues() and a
Substitution (at the start of your script)

cheers

Tom

On 6 Oct 2008, at 11:01, Patrick Neame wrote:

> Well, the let function is certainly more concise and it might indeed
> even be my new friend given that I'm starting to see how it works.
> I'm afraid the examples in the help file are a bit too abstract for
> bears of little brain.
>
> One problem I did encounter was that the field is empty to start
> with. I added some stuff to the start of the script to set it to
> LeftValues 1 of the ValueListitems (Dave in this case). What then
> happened is that if I then needed to change it to Lucia it would
> only do it on the second click of the button. The reason is that the
> first result includes the hidden pilcrow character. Once I'd
> realised what was going on and substituted it for "" everything was
> fine.
>
> So the tooltip reads:-
>
> Let(
> VL= ValueListItems("Start";"HM");
> If(PaperSignUp::HM= GetValue(VL;1);"Click here to enter¶" &
> GetValue(VL;2) & " as house manager.";"Click here to enter¶" &
> GetValue(VL;1) & " as house manager."
> ))
>
> Many thanks.
>
> On Oct 5, 2008, at 10:21 pm, Tom Elliott wrote:
>
>> Patrick
>>
>> Try a combination of GetValue() and ValueListItems() -
>>
>> SetVariable [$vl ; ValueListItems ( Get ( filename ) ;
>> "<valuelistname>" ]
>> If ( NameField = GetValue ( $vl ; 1 )
>> SetField [NameField ; GetValue ( $vl ; 2 )
>> Else
>> SetField [NameField ; GetValue ( $vl ; 1 )
>> End If
>>
>> or, using your new friend :-) the Let function:
>>
>> SetField [NameField ; <formula>]
>>
>> where <formula> is:
>>
>> Let (
>> vl = ValueListItems ( Get ( filename ) ; "<valuelistname>" ) ;
>> If ( NameField = GetValue ( $vl ; 1 ) ; GetValue ( $vl ; 2 ) ;
>> GetValue ( $vl ; 1 ) )
>> )
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5 Oct 2008, at 7:43, Patrick Neame wrote:
>>
>>> FMP9A Mac OS X 10.5.5.
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I have a value list with two names in it, Dave and Lucia. If the
>>> relevant field says Dave I want to define a script that sets it to
>>> Lucia and vice versa. The trouble is that until recently Lucia was
>>> Paul so the following won't work:-
>>>
>>> If NameField = "Dave"
>>> SetField(NameField; "Lucia")
>>> Else
>>> SetField(NameField; "Dave")
>>> End if.
>>>
>>> It won't work because every time we get a new house manager I'd
>>> have to go back to the script and change it and that's bad.
>>>
>>> The script really needs to evaluate that the first name in the
>>> list has been checked and then to set the field to the second
>>> name. I haven't been able to find a function that will return a
>>> number based on which value in a value list has been checked. The
>>> field is a radio button set.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Patrick.
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Re: every developer's nightmare

2008-10-06T10:27:27Z

On Oct 4, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Bob Patin wrote:

> In 15 years I've never seen FileMaker fail to store anything that
> I've input; every time, it's been a result of user error.

I have to concur. In about 15 years of using FM (4 of them in FMI/
Claris Technical Support), I have never once seen FileMaker fail to
write changes to a file that weren't explained in some other way.
The most common causes of such an occurrence are:

1. Opening a duplicate version of the file. <-- has bitten me more
than once!
2. Entering data in Find Mode (but only for data entry, not for
development). <-- but FM will warn you when you reach the 10th record.
3. Access Privilege/Security problem. Not at the FM level, but at
the OS level -- either the file is locked, or write permission is
somehow denied to the file.
4. Inappropriate access to the database -- such as the user directly
clicking on the file's icon while it's hosted by FM. FM will do it's
best to open the file as a guest of the server, but some versions of
the OS will allow a "read only" copy of the file to be opened.

#4 can only happen if OS-level file sharing is enabled for the
directory where the database file resides. And that is the number 1
most common way of corrupting your database, period.

However, in all circumstances where the file is locked or otherwise
un-writable, FM should give the user an error saying as much. I have
never once seen any version of FM simply fail to write changes to the
file without giving some other indication of problems, such as "This
file is read only. You will be unable to save changes".

regards,
Darren

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Re: Performance of FM & Mac Minis

2008-10-06T09:44:08Z

Hi John.

You have had a number of good responses here. I just want to add that
over time you will probably have a better experience and better return
on your money using the Xserve and Mac Minis. I spent years working in
the Windows world supporting both servers and desktops. In general I
find it easier to maintain (keeping the software up to date) and had
less hardware issues with Macs then I did with PCs and Windows servers.

I also found it easier to support users in the Mac world. To some
degree this has to do with Os X and the way it is configured and how
easy it is for a user to mess up an XP system. I find that even curious
Mac users don't do as much damage to the mac as Windows users can and
do. Thats not to say it won't happen, just that I found it didn't
happen as often.

Part of this may be the way OS X hides the system files from the user.
Anyway my 2 cents is that if you go with the Macs, over time you will be
happy with the decision.

Best of luck.
Bruce Herbach

CSORI wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm getting sick of my windows network (licensing, spyware & viruses)
> and was wondering how performance
> would be on the following:
>
> X server (base model) Running FMS 9, 7 mac minis (base model 1 meg)
> running FM 9, word and email.
>
> Vs
>
> Win 2003 Server, Running FMS 9, 7 WinXPs ($400 machines 1 meg) running
> FM 9, word, webroot anti spyware/antivirus and email.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> John F. Winfield, Jr.
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> Scituate, RI 02857
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Duping or Importing

2008-10-06T09:21:21Z

Hi Folks:

My question is what's the best method to dupe records? I have two
databases, one is the "main" database where using a portal the user
creates and view "parts" of the main job that will live in the second
database. But since a majority of the work we do has been done last
year and only needs minor updates, I want to duplicate the older
"Parts" into the new "Main" with a new job number which is auto
generated via a script when a new job is created.

The idea is the user would search the records for the job they want
to dupe and via a script the would be able to import/dupe all of the
records associated with that job into the new "Main" job with the
updated job numbers. Then they can go about making the minor
informational changes manually

Any ideas?
TIA:
Peter

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Re: every developer's nightmare (x-post)

2008-10-06T09:09:47Z

On Oct 6, 2008, at 2:42 AM, Andreas Carlsson wrote:

> I second that.
>
> It's extremely unlikely that you work on a file that let you store
> your changes "in the air". It's not an option, really. The only
> thing I can think of is when you try to save records when you are in
> Save mode.

With journaling enabled on the hard drive, it's possible if there is
an underlying problem with the OS or disk subsystem that the changes
were rolled back when restarting the system after an unexpected
shutdown. This can result in files that you had "saved" with "last
modification" dates in the past. I've had this happen on multiple
occasions - unfortunately it was indicative of more serious issues
with the computer.

However, this doesn't sound like Colm's reported issue. That sounds,
in all probability, like a second copy of the file being around. He
stated the file was modified on two consecutive days and that not only
are the changes from each day gone, but the the SuperDuper backup of
the file taken between the two days worth of changes reflects an
unmodified copy of the file. That suggests two possibilities to me:

1) Multiple copies of the file
2) Some process (SuperDuper?) is copying a backup file in the wrong
direction.

Cheers,
-corn

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Re: Performance of FM & Mac Minis

2008-10-06T09:05:54Z

John,

We use a mix of Xserves and G5s here, and are gradually transitioning
to all Xserves, mainly because of the space constraints and ease of
drive swaps in Xserves.

Interestingly, in 15 years, I've had two hardware failures on Macs--
one was a desktop Mac not used for a server, and its motherboard
failed. The second was a couple of weeks ago, when a power supply in
an Xserve failed and the computer just shut down.

On the other hand, back in the 90s when I first got started hosting
sites, I used an iMac for hosting a couple of CDML sites; now that
I've almost completely gotten my clients to upgrade to PHP solutions,
there are only a half-dozen sites here still running CDML, and one of
these is still running on the same iMac he was using years ago (and
which won't be upgraded since I'm trying to get him to redo his site
in CDML!). It's been on 24/7 for 12 years, and never had a problem;
the web server is a G5, but his database is still funneling through
Filemaker Unlimited 6 on an old iMac!

I know this is anecdotal, but in the years we've been hosting, we've
had better luck with desktop Macs than with Xserves. Heat is a problem
here because we have 30 machines running, but we built a server room
with its own A/C and I'm curious to see what difference would be seen
if we were running all Xserves instead of a mix of desktops and rack-
mounted machines--I suspect the difference is probably fairly
negligible.

When the Mac Mini came out we used them for development machines, and
I still have a half-dozen here for backups--one is my itunes machine
and runs 24/7, and it's been flawless so far. At Devcon every year
this question comes up, and there are always dire warnings about using
Mac Minis for mission-critical work, and I agree with this; if your
business relies on your computers, and you're running on consumer-
grade machines with 4200RPM drives, you're tempting fate.

Having said this, I've yet to lose a drive in a Mac Mini, but that's
not to say that I think it's a wise plan to use them as servers. It
was really nice the other day, when the Xserve power supply failed, to
simply pull the drive and put it into one of the other Xserves. Within
minutes I had service restored.

My advice is this: get on eBay and buy some Xserve G5s or cluster-
nodes; the only thing to keep in mind with cluster-node machines is
that they don't have video cards, so putting an OS on them can be
difficult without at least one Xserve that has a DVD drive and a video
card. Also, the cluster-nodes don't have dual drive bays; however, you
can find them for around $500-600, and you're getting true server-
grade hardware, even if they're G5s and not Intel boxes.

Hope this helps,

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RE: Field validation

2008-10-06T08:57:26Z

That works .. thanks Bev!

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You are AND'ing the test. BOTH must be empty to work.

Try this:

IsEmpty ( BudgetNRCombined & BudgetRecCombined )

Beverly

On 10/6/08 11:15 AM, "VanBuskirk, Patricia" <pvanbuskirk@...>
wrote
in whole or in part:

> Basically, what I'm trying to do is this: If there is a NonRecurring
> budget # in place OR a Recurring budget # in place, one cannot enter
> anything in the Outside Account # field. I tried to make a validation
> on the OA_number field as follows:
>
> IsEmpty ( BudgetNRCombined ) and IsEmpty ( BudgetRecCombined )
>
>
> However with this validation, people cannot make ANY changes to the
> record without getting the error.
>
> Can someone tell me where I might be going wrong?
>
> Thanks, Trish
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Re: Field validation

2008-10-06T08:26:00Z

You are AND'ing the test. BOTH must be empty to work.

Try this:

IsEmpty ( BudgetNRCombined & BudgetRecCombined )

Beverly

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RE: Field validation - revised

2008-10-06T08:20:42Z

FMA9 on WinXP

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Subject: Field validation

Basically, what I'm trying to do is this: If there is a NonRecurring
budget # in place OR a Recurring budget # in place, one cannot enter
anything in the Outside Account # field. I tried to make a validation
on the OA_number field as follows:

IsEmpty ( BudgetNRCombined ) and IsEmpty ( BudgetRecCombined )

However with this validation, people cannot make ANY changes to the
record without getting the error.

Can someone tell me where I might be going wrong?

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Field validation

2008-10-06T08:15:51Z

Basically, what I'm trying to do is this: If there is a NonRecurring
budget # in place OR a Recurring budget # in place, one cannot enter
anything in the Outside Account # field. I tried to make a validation
on the OA_number field as follows:

IsEmpty ( BudgetNRCombined ) and IsEmpty ( BudgetRecCombined )

However with this validation, people cannot make ANY changes to the
record without getting the error.

Can someone tell me where I might be going wrong?

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Re: Performance of FM & Mac Minis

2008-10-06T08:01:52Z

We have an Xserve called Bruce running FMSA 8 on 10.4. Server. It
serves:-

a basic model mini,
two G4 iMacs,
a PC in the office,
three PCs at various homes,
myself running FMP9A at home on a G5 Powermac,
and a fair old number of people using IWP.

Performance in the office is fine, IWP is remarkably quick and even
updating the logic using FMP9A is pretty bearable over the internet.

The only problem was with the fist UPS proving not to be large enough
when we had a power cut. We got a bigger UPS. Now that people are
using IWP we could almost certainly do with some more RAM.

The mini runs Office 2004, VM Fusion with Sage and the usual email and
web browsing stuff. It's all very stable and secure.

In the past there's been quite a bit of debate about what machines to
get as a server. I'd recommend getting a machine that's built to
server spec as opposed to a desktop machine pressed into service as a
server. Of course, it depends to some extent on your budget and backup
plans. But if you can go for a server spec machine.

On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:05 pm, E. Simpson wrote:

> We are using various Mac Mini's for the following.
> 1ea 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB Ram as my server for FMPS with 11
> clients
> 8 ea 1.83 Hz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB Ram as work stations
> 1 ea 1.83 Hz Intel Core 2 Duo, 1 GB with Tenon iTools for our web
> applications.
>
> I am going to add an additional 1 GB of ram to the web server. Ram
> is inexpensive...
>
> No spyware, no viruses. Down time , so far this year, 1 hour for a
> bad plug strip. Each of the work stations has the following,
> OSx 10.5.5, iPhoto, iTunes, Mail, Address Book, Safari, Firefox,
> FMPA, Word, Excel, Acrobat, Transmit, Timbuktu. Some also have
> Photoshop, Dreamweaver, ScreenSteps and some other stuff.
>
> and yes, we have some Mac Pros and iMacs as well...
>
> We use VMware Fusion on one Mac Pro and the operator hates using
> Windows because of, wait for it, spyware & viruses.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2008, at 9:52 PM, CSORI wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm getting sick of my windows network (licensing, spyware &
>> viruses) and was wondering how performance
>> would be on the following:
>>
>> X server (base model) Running FMS 9, 7 mac minis (base model 1 meg)
>> running FM 9, word and email.
>>
>> Vs
>>
>> Win 2003 Server, Running FMS 9, 7 WinXPs ($400 machines 1 meg)
>> running FM 9, word, webroot anti spyware/antivirus and email.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: Performance of FM & Mac Minis

2008-10-06T07:05:26Z

We are using various Mac Mini's for the following.
1ea 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB Ram as my server for FMPS with 11
clients
8 ea 1.83 Hz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB Ram as work stations
1 ea 1.83 Hz Intel Core 2 Duo, 1 GB with Tenon iTools for our web
applications.

I am going to add an additional 1 GB of ram to the web server. Ram is
inexpensive...

No spyware, no viruses. Down time , so far this year, 1 hour for a bad
plug strip. Each of the work stations has the following,
OSx 10.5.5, iPhoto, iTunes, Mail, Address Book, Safari, Firefox, FMPA,
Word, Excel, Acrobat, Transmit, Timbuktu. Some also have Photoshop,
Dreamweaver, ScreenSteps and some other stuff.

and yes, we have some Mac Pros and iMacs as well...

We use VMware Fusion on one Mac Pro and the operator hates using
Windows because of, wait for it, spyware & viruses.

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