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Making a games spin?

2008-12-02T08:11:52Z

I saw there were some problems making a games spin, but I wasn't sure
what the underlying cause was. If I want to make a live games DVD using
livecd-creator and the games kickstart file (possibly with some changes)
should I expect problems?

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Cross-distro games packaging mailing list

2008-11-26T00:29:13Z

Hi all,

if you are a games packager or have a general interest in FLOSS
games, let me point you to games@...

The Debian and Ubuntu games teams have merged completely
and I've been working together with them to reduce duplicated work.
We have been using the Debian games mailing list until now, but we decided that
a distro-agnostic would be better.

As Games are somewhat special in that they in general need more patches then
usual packages and that they often have a dead upstream, we plan to discuss
some ways there to try and collaborate more on the front of games.

So to everyone interested, please subscribe!

Regards,

Hans

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2008-11-26T00:27:11Z

[Fwd: [Fedora-spins] Broken spins not going out as part of Preview]

2008-11-05T05:32:13Z

Hi,

I know a couple of people expressed interest in the games spin. I can't
work on it and fix any issues before the Fedora 10 release time. If you
would like to, do take a look.

Rahul

The Developer and Games spin both fail to compose due to missing
packages. They will not be shipped as part of Fedora 10 Preview, and
run the risk of not being part of Fedora 10.

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Re: vdrift bug in rawhide

2008-10-21T05:13:45Z

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Anyone else seeing this?
>
> # vdrift
>
> CONFIGFILE.Load: Couldn't find file: /home/sundaram/.vdrift/VDrift.config
> No data_dir found in VDrift.config, using /usr//share/vdrift
> /usr//share/vdrift/settings/VDrift.config not found. Attempting to load
> data from ./data
> ./data/settings/VDrift.config not found. Attempting to load data from
> ../data
> ../data/settings/VDrift.config not found. Can't find data in directory
> with executable, or in parent dir. Giving up.
>

This is fixed now, but it will still only work with nvidea OpenGL, not with
Mesa. See:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467860

Regards,

Hans

p.s.

Next time please use bugzilla for issues like this one.

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Re: vdrift bug in rawhide

2008-10-21T05:11:28Z

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

vdrift bug in rawhide

2008-10-18T06:16:35Z

Hi,

Anyone else seeing this?

# vdrift

CONFIGFILE.Load: Couldn't find file: /home/sundaram/.vdrift/VDrift.config
No data_dir found in VDrift.config, using /usr//share/vdrift
/usr//share/vdrift/settings/VDrift.config not found. Attempting to load
data from ./data
./data/settings/VDrift.config not found. Attempting to load data from
../data
../data/settings/VDrift.config not found. Can't find data in directory
with executable, or in parent dir. Giving up.

Rahul

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Re: [Fwd: rpms/bsd-games/devel bsd-games.spec,1.17,1.18]

2008-10-09T10:03:19Z

On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 22:07 -0700, SL Baur wrote:

> Do you need me to sign something for OHare and airports
> so that there is never again a question of origin and license?

This should be sufficient for our purposes, but you might try to have
some similar text committed into the upstream source (if any canonical
location exists).

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New game: GNU FreeDink

2008-10-09T09:48:20Z

Hi,

I thought I'd let you know that my 'freedink' package was recently
approved and the 'testing' build just hit the F-8/F-9 mirrors :)

FreeDink(.org) is a port of the Dink Smallwood game and game
engine/editor.
It's a 2D action/adventure/rpg game (somewhat similar to Zelda
classic), where you save the world and kill ducks :)
There are also more than a hundred add-ons (Dink Modules or D-Mods for
short) that can be found at http://www.dinknetwork.com/

I'd be glad if people could test it and/or send feedback before I mark
it as stable, especially on pcc and amd64 architectures.

Cheers!

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Re: [Fwd: rpms/bsd-games/devel bsd-games.spec,1.17,1.18]

2008-10-08T22:07:25Z

(I've put this off for too long and I don't want someone
deleting them again).

With regards to the bsd-games packages, I've seen that
you picked up playfields for Ed James' ATC that I posted to
net.sources.games.

I wish to affirm to that I posted those playfields from a
TRW address (I think it was before trw.com was registered)
and that I did indeed release them in the public domain,
which was intended to mean that you can use them under
any license you wish.

The fields in question are:
/usr/share/bsd-games/atc/OHare
/usr/share/bsd-games/atc/airports

I think I also did crosshatch and Tic-Tac-Toe, or at least
one of the two.

I recommend adding airports5 and airports4 playfields
by using the using the airports playfield with `update = 5;'
and `update = 4;' lines respectively.

And yes, even in the days of World of Warcraft, I still
enjoy a game of ATC every now and then.

Do you need me to sign something for OHare and airports
so that there is never again a question of origin and license?

-sb

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[Fwd: rpms/bsd-games/devel bsd-games.spec,1.17,1.18]

2008-10-08T21:35:02Z

If anyone is interested in trying to fix the fuzz on patch #4, be my
guest. I won't have much time for another week or so to work on this one.

ACLs are open.

--Wart

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: rpms/bsd-games/devel bsd-games.spec,1.17,1.18
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:37:13 +0000 (UTC)
From: Michael Thomas <wart@...>
To: cvsextras@..., bsd-games-owner@...

Author: wart

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/bsd-games/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv22428

Modified Files:
bsd-games.spec
Log Message:
Temporarily set patch fuzz factor until patches can be rebased.

Index: bsd-games.spec
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/bsd-games/devel/bsd-games.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.17
retrieving revision 1.18
diff -u -r1.17 -r1.18
--- bsd-games.spec 9 Feb 2008 16:39:23 -0000 1.17
+++ bsd-games.spec 9 Oct 2008 04:36:43 -0000 1.18
@@ -1,7 +1,11 @@
+# Ick! This is only a temporary hack until I have more time
+# to rebase the affected patches (#4, and possibly more)
+%define _default_patch_fuzz 2
+
Summary: Collection of text-based games
Name: bsd-games
Version: 2.17
-Release: 23%{?dist}
+Release: 24%{?dist}
License: BSD and BSD with advertising
Group: Amusements/Games
URL: ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/games/
@@ -173,6 +177,9 @@
%doc AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog ChangeLog.0 THANKS YEAR2000 README.hunt
trek/USD.doc/trek.me

%changelog
+* Wed Oct 8 2008 Wart <wart@...> 2.17-24
+- Temporarily set patch fuzz factor until patches can be rebased.
+
* Sat Feb 9 2008 Wart <wart@...> 2.17-23
- Add patch and rebuild for gcc 4.3

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Games spin - Attention: maintainers

2008-09-19T07:36:31Z

Hi,

I know a couple of people volunteered to help maintain the games spin,
please apply for commit access to the git repo at

https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/

This will allow you to maintain the kickstart files and do branches for
releases.

Rahul

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Re: uqm needs obsoletes?

2008-09-12T08:38:56Z

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:31 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> Updating uqm doesn't work in today's rawhide. I suspect some obsoletes are
> needed otherwise the old content packages aren't being replaced and are pinning
> the base uwm package at the old version.

Yep. I forgot to Provide/Obsolete the content subpackages. It's fixed in
-7.

~spot

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uqm needs obsoletes?

2008-09-12T07:31:46Z

Updating uqm doesn't work in today's rawhide. I suspect some obsoletes are
needed otherwise the old content packages aren't being replaced and are pinning
the base uwm package at the old version.
---> Package uqm.x86_64 0:0.6.2-6.fc10 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: uqm >= 0.6.0 for package: uqm-content
--> Processing Dependency: uqm >= 0.6.0 for package: uqm-content
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
uqm-content-0.6.0-2.noarch from installed has depsolving problems
--> Unresolvable requirement uqm >= 0.6.0 for uqm-content-0.6.0-2.noarch (installed)
uqm-content-0.6.0-2.noarch from installed has depsolving problems
--> Unresolvable requirement uqm >= 0.6.0 for uqm-content-0.6.0-2.noarch (installed)
Skip-broken could not solve problems
Error: Missing Dependency: uqm-content = 0.6.0-2 is needed by package uqm-content-3domusic-0.6.0-2.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: uqm-content = 0.6.0-2 is needed by package uqm-content-voice-0.6.0-2.noarch (installed)

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Re: uqm-content licensing problem

2008-09-10T22:38:51Z

Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 12:56 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
>
>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
> I went ahead and started to implement the fix, but in testing it seems
> that autodownloader only downloads in 8K increments. This thing would
> literally need to run all day to pull down these content files. Is that
> expected behavior?
>

I think the 8k increments are not how it is downloading, but the
increment when the callback I use to update the progress bar gets
called. If you actually notice that it is not multithreaded but using a
callback from a single download thread, then the connection and / or
mirror you are using is, erm, not so good.

I had this with the id-shareware stuff to when using the official id
site, after finding some fast mirrors things where ok.

Regards,

Hans

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Re: uqm-content licensing problem

2008-09-10T20:12:43Z

On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:07 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> >>>>> "TC" == Tom \"spot\" Callaway <Tom> writes:
>
> TC> I went ahead and started to implement the fix, but in testing it
> TC> seems that autodownloader only downloads in 8K increments.
>
> It just calls urllib.urlretrieve. I don't expect it would be hard to
> use something more high-performance, but I wouldn't be able to suggest
> anything.

Never mind. Testing at home on FIOS shows that it was something specific
to the internet connection I was using at work.

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Re: uqm-content licensing problem

2008-09-10T15:07:24Z

>>>>> "TC" == Tom \"spot\" Callaway <Tom> writes:

TC> I went ahead and started to implement the fix, but in testing it
TC> seems that autodownloader only downloads in 8K increments.

It just calls urllib.urlretrieve. I don't expect it would be hard to
use something more high-performance, but I wouldn't be able to suggest
anything.

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Re: uqm-content licensing problem

2008-09-10T14:45:29Z

On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 12:56 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:

> Let me know if you have any questions.

I went ahead and started to implement the fix, but in testing it seems
that autodownloader only downloads in 8K increments. This thing would
literally need to run all day to pull down these content files. Is that
expected behavior?

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Supertux freezing mouse pointer

2008-09-10T14:43:46Z

Hello!
I have tried the supertux-0.3 package in F10. When you start in fullscreen mode, the mouse pointer soon freeze at its current coordinates, which defaults to the center of the screen. It then stays there and obscures the real content of the window, while there's a new functional pointer created. The only workaround is to quickly after startup move the pointer to any lower corner, so there's only a few pixels of it visible.
Do you know if this is a known bug of supertux, or if it's more likely a problem with my X setup?

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Re: uqm-content licensing problem

2008-09-09T03:56:46Z

Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@...> wrote:
>>> Since the game itself is fine, it looks like we'll need to set it up to
>>> autodownload the content (and quickly).
>>>
>> If anyone needs any help setting up the autodownloader stuff let me know,
>> take a look at bolzplatz2006 for a game currently in Fedora which has the
>> exact same problem and how it uses autodownloader.
>
> I took over this package when another maintainer went AWOL, so this is
> as news to me as it is to you. Hans: if you can offer some help, I'd
> really appreciate it. Do I need to give you access to the package in
> cvs?
>

Just take a look at how bolzplatz2006 does it, basicly there is a shell
script which invokes autodownloader if the files are not there yet and a
autodownloader config file.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Regards,

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Re: uqm-content licensing problem

2008-09-09T03:44:42Z

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@...> wrote:
>> Since the game itself is fine, it looks like we'll need to set it up to
>> autodownload the content (and quickly).
>>
>
> If anyone needs any help setting up the autodownloader stuff let me know,
> take a look at bolzplatz2006 for a game currently in Fedora which has the
> exact same problem and how it uses autodownloader.

I took over this package when another maintainer went AWOL, so this is
as news to me as it is to you. Hans: if you can offer some help, I'd
really appreciate it. Do I need to give you access to the package in
cvs?

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Re: uqm-content licensing problem

2008-09-09T02:30:03Z

I am not sure where this is going, but it is better to be safe than sorry.

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tom spot Callaway <tcallawa@...> wrote:

Hi guys,

While doing the license tag cleanup, I came across uqm-content, which
was marked "Distributable", but when I dug into it, the actual license
is Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike.

http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/The_Ur-Quan_Masters_Project_FAQ#Under_what_license_is_the_game_released.3F

The NonCommercial part is the problem.

Unless someone here has documentation showing that the UQM upstream has
given us permission to distribute these content files under a different
(acceptable to Fedora) license, I'm going to have to block this package
in F10.

Since the game itself is fine, it looks like we'll need to set it up to
autodownload the content (and quickly).

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Re: uqm-content licensing problem

2008-09-09T02:29:01Z

Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
> Hi guys,
>

<snip>

> Since the game itself is fine, it looks like we'll need to set it up to
> autodownload the content (and quickly).
>

If anyone needs any help setting up the autodownloader stuff let me
know, take a look at bolzplatz2006 for a game currently in Fedora which
has the exact same problem and how it uses autodownloader.

Regards,

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Re: uqm-content licensing problem

2008-09-08T22:21:35Z

On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 23:15:31 -0400,
Tom spot Callaway <tcallawa@...> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> While doing the license tag cleanup, I came across uqm-content, which
> was marked "Distributable", but when I dug into it, the actual license
> is Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike.
>
> http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/The_Ur-Quan_Masters_Project_FAQ#Under_what_license_is_the_game_released.3F
>
> The NonCommercial part is the problem.
>
> Unless someone here has documentation showing that the UQM upstream has
> given us permission to distribute these content files under a different
> (acceptable to Fedora) license, I'm going to have to block this package
> in F10.

I looked around and it seems the original authors don't want the game data used
commercially. I didn't find anything indicating their stance had changed
recently.

> Since the game itself is fine, it looks like we'll need to set it up to
> autodownload the content (and quickly).

It should also get pulled from the live games cd as there is little point in
having it there if you need to make a large download to play it.

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uqm-content licensing problem

2008-09-08T20:15:31Z

Hi guys,

While doing the license tag cleanup, I came across uqm-content, which
was marked "Distributable", but when I dug into it, the actual license
is Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike.

http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/The_Ur-Quan_Masters_Project_FAQ#Under_what_license_is_the_game_released.3F

The NonCommercial part is the problem.

Unless someone here has documentation showing that the UQM upstream has
given us permission to distribute these content files under a different
(acceptable to Fedora) license, I'm going to have to block this package
in F10.

Since the game itself is fine, it looks like we'll need to set it up to
autodownload the content (and quickly).

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FYI: Heretic and Hexen re-released under GPL license

2008-09-08T00:41:31Z

Hello All.

Subj.

http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=864305

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Game for packaging: Combat Simulator Project

2008-08-29T01:03:33Z

Hello All!
Just found game recently submitted at HappyPenguin:

http://happypenguin.org/show?Combat%20Simulator%20Project

* http://csp.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page
* Completely GPL (data and source code)
* No proprietary build-dependencies

Looks worth to package. Anyone?

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Re: Music for games

2008-08-27T14:26:35Z

Chris Norman wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 11:21 +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
>> Hi Hans and Chris,
>>
>> The Debian Games Team is following your steps in this, and fully
>> supports your efforts. If you need or want any help from us at any
>> point, just ask. We'd be very glad to do as much as we can.
>
> Unfortunately, my firewire mixer that I usually use has just gone back
> to Maudio for repare, so I will not be music making for about a week at
> the least, but it will be a top priority job when I get it back. In the
> mean time, if someone could tell me where to get the blobwars sources,
> then I can get my ideas roling.
>

You can find the blobwars source here:
http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/download.php?proj=blobwars&file=blobwars-1.09b2-1.tar.gz&type=zip

> I don't know what mod tracker music is, and I can only do music in wave
> or mp3 format, I will need to give it someone else for conversion.
>

modtracker music uses samples, together with information when to play which
simple at which pitch (and volume) to create music, it was very popular in the
amiga days, and on gravis ultrasound cards.

Regards,

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Re: Does Fedora consider AGPLv3 free?

2008-08-27T10:08:40Z

2008/8/27 Rex Dieter <rdieter@...>:
> yes, agplv3 is listed as "good" on
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing

Thanks :)

Greetings,
Miry

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Re: Does Fedora consider AGPLv3 free?

2008-08-27T09:48:20Z

yes, agplv3 is listed as "good" on
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing

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Does Fedora consider AGPLv3 free?

2008-08-27T09:00:51Z

Hi,

Some time ago, I wanted to package [1] a fork of the Python library
Soya3D called PySoy [2]. They were releasing it under GPLv3 until now,
but they have relicensed it as AGPLv3 [3] right now. We have had a
debate in debian-legal [4] about the possible consecuences of
accepting AGPLv3 as DFSG-free [5] and, even though it's not totally
closed, it seems that we won't be able to consider it free. Of course
the final decision is to be made by ftpmasters and they haven't
answered yet [6].

According to Arc, main developer for PySoy, Mark Shuttleworth believes
in the freeness of AGPLv3, so they will have all that stuff in their
Ubuntu universe/main repositories, even though the MOTU (Masters Of
The Universe, the Ubuntu team that manages universe/multiverse
repositories) doesn't seem to think the same. It makes sense that
Ubuntu considers that because my feeling is that Ubuntu and FSF are
getting along really well and very close to each other.

In any case, i wanted to know, mostly out of curiosity, what is the
point of view about Fedora regarding AGPLv3, and whether you consider
it free or not.

Thanks and greetings,
Miry

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/495172
[2] http://www.pysoy.org/
[3] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/agpl-3.0.html
[4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/08/threads.html
[5] http://www.debian.org/social_contract
[6] http://bugs.debian.org/495721

Some other relevant links:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/09/msg00032.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/03/msg00380.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/09/msg00061.html

AGPL stands for GNU Affero General Public License and it's a slightly
modified GPLv3 license with the extra restriction (clause 13): "if you
modify the Program, your modified version must prominently offer all
users interacting with it remotely through a computer network (if your
version supports such interaction) an opportunity to receive the
Corresponding Source of your version by providing access to the
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Re: Music for games

2008-08-27T08:51:34Z

>>>>> "HdG" == Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@...> writes:

HdG> Thanks for the offer! ATM the trouble some games from Parallel
HdG> Realities use modtracker format music.

I also wanted to point out that The FreeDink project is looking for
sound and music. The code was freed a while back and but the sounds
and music could not be. A reference:
http://www.dinknetwork.com/forum.cgi?MID=94985&Posts=14
and the lost of needed sounds and music:
http://www.freedink.org/doc/sounds/

Someone recently submitted FreeDink to Fedora in three packages; I
haven't had much time to take a look. Those review tickets are:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459908
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459915
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459916
I believe the game simply plays without most of its sounds.

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Re: Music for games

2008-08-27T08:30:07Z

On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 11:21 +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> Hi Hans and Chris,
>
> The Debian Games Team is following your steps in this, and fully
> supports your efforts. If you need or want any help from us at any
> point, just ask. We'd be very glad to do as much as we can.

Unfortunately, my firewire mixer that I usually use has just gone back
to Maudio for repare, so I will not be music making for about a week at
the least, but it will be a top priority job when I get it back. In the
mean time, if someone could tell me where to get the blobwars sources,
then I can get my ideas roling.

I don't know what mod tracker music is, and I can only do music in wave
or mp3 format, I will need to give it someone else for conversion.

HTH.

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> Miry
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Re: Parallel Realities Games have non-free content

2008-08-27T07:10:39Z

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 09:13:19AM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Last I will be replacing the sound effects with sound effects from other
> free games in Fedora, mainly freedoom, nexuiz, tremulous, opearena and
> worminator.

The sound effects of Tremulous are also in question:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=466327

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Re: Anyone interested in packaging Apricot??

2008-08-27T06:22:02Z

> Hi all,
>
> As some of you probably already know a few blender artists and
> crystalspace
> developers have been working fulltime on this new completely FREE (both
> art and
> code) game called Apricot:
> http://www.yofrankie.org/
>
> They are now almost done and are looking for people to package it up for
> various distro's. I've offered todo that, but I'm currently suffering from
> a
> serious -ENOTIME situation, so I was hoping there are other people here
> who are
> willing to pick this up. If you do you can mail me for help any time!
>
> Apricot uses crystalspace and needs a special svn snapshot, you do not
> need to
> worry about parallel installability with the regular crystalspace, as that
> has
> no users in Fedora so you can just upgrade the current crystalspace
> package to
> the "blessed" svn snapshot:
> http://crystal.svn.sourceforge.net/crystal/CS/tags/V1.9pre20080725/
>
> Apricot also uses CEL, same story:
> https://cel.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cel/cel/tags/V1.9pre20080728
>
> For apricot itself just use the latest svn.

Looks cool. I don't think I have the time for something quite that
involved right now, although I may try later if no one else does.

Interesting timing, I just posted a review request for apricots, a 2D air
combat game, nothing like this game in any way. :)

> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Hans
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