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Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Gordon Joly
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Very poor article seems to have surfaced today... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mom_and_Dad How did that slip through? Gordo -- "Think Feynman"///////// http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.joly@.../// _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Philip Sandifer-2
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On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:01 AM, Gordon Joly wrote: > > > Very poor article seems to have surfaced today... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mom_and_Dad > > How did that slip through? What's the problem with it? -Phil _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Al Tally
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@...>wrote:
> > > Are there any valid concerns raised there that weren't corrected? Bear in mind, the article was made featured in May 2007. So it could have changed significantly. Why did it take so long to be on the front page? -- Alex (User:Majorly) _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Al Tally
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Al Tally <majorly.wiki@...>wrote:
> > Bear in mind, the article was made featured in May 2007. So it could have > changed significantly. Why did it take so long to be on the front page? > Here's a diff showing the changes made between when it was promoted and today: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mom_and_Dad&diff=240673526&oldid=128415356 -- Alex (User:Majorly) _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Philip Sandifer-2
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On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Al Tally wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@... > >wrote: >> >> >> Are there any valid concerns raised there that weren't corrected? > > > Bear in mind, the article was made featured in May 2007. So it could > have > changed significantly. Why did it take so long to be on the front > page? Because there were a bunch of other feature articles that people were clamoring to get on the front page, whereas this one was pushed through by Badlydrawnjeff, who soon after wasn't around to ask for it to be frontpaged? -Phil _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Ron Ritzman
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@...> wrote:
>> Very poor article seems to have surfaced today... >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mom_and_Dad >> How did that slip through? > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Mom_and_Dad > > Are there any valid concerns raised there that weren't corrected? Here's the version that was promoted... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mom_and_Dad&oldid=128415356 _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Stephen Bain
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Philip Sandifer <snowspinner@...> wrote:
> > What's the problem with it? Yes, is this a question of taste or is there something of substance that's wrong with it? I find that the diversity of featured articles, particularly the ones that get on to the main page, makes for an excellent source of esoteric knowledge. -- Stephen Bain stephen.bain@... _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by John Lee-14
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Philip Sandifer <snowspinner@...>wrote:
> > On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Al Tally wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@... > > >wrote: > >> > >> > >> Are there any valid concerns raised there that weren't corrected? > > > > > > Bear in mind, the article was made featured in May 2007. So it could > > have > > changed significantly. Why did it take so long to be on the front > > page? > > Because there were a bunch of other feature articles that people were > clamoring to get on the front page, whereas this one was pushed > through by Badlydrawnjeff, who soon after wasn't around to ask for it > to be frontpaged? > > -Phil Bear in mind that a lot of articles take a long while to be featured. When I was active in the process two or three years ago, the waiting list was already easily a month long, if not more. I'm not sure how it works now but it can only have gotten lengthier. Johnleemk _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Stephen Bain
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:36 PM, John Lee <johnleemk@...> wrote:
> > Bear in mind that a lot of articles take a long while to be featured. When I > was active in the process two or three years ago, the waiting list was > already easily a month long, if not more. I'm not sure how it works now but > it can only have gotten lengthier. The more relevant number is the net change in featured articles over time (that's promotions minus delistings). Every month this year it's been quite a bit more than the number of days in that month; indeed it's been that way since at least early 2006. We're never going to catch up! (A bad thing because not all FAs will be main page featured; a good thing because there are so many more FAs.) See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_statistics -- Stephen Bain stephen.bain@... _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Thomas Dalton
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> We're never going to catch up! (A bad thing because not all FAs will
> be main page featured; a good thing because there are so many more > FAs.) We could start featuring two articles a day. One from a traditional encyclopaedic topic and one from a pop-culture topic, perhaps. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Al Tally
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@...>wrote:
> > > We could start featuring two articles a day. One from a traditional > encyclopaedic topic and one from a pop-culture topic, perhaps. Maybe with the new main page design, a second FA space could be incorporated. -- Alex (User:Majorly) _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by David Gerard-2
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2008/9/24 Al Tally <majorly.wiki@...>:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@...>wrote: >> We could start featuring two articles a day. One from a traditional >> encyclopaedic topic and one from a pop-culture topic, perhaps. > Maybe with the new main page design, a second FA space could be > incorporated. [[WT:FAC]] and [[Talk:Main Page]] would be the places to run it past, if Raul654 (the Featured Articles director) thinks we can reliably supply 730 new FAs a year for the foreseeable future. (cc'd to him) - d. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by geni
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2008/9/24 Flameviper Velifang <theflameysnake@...>:
> What makes me uncomfortable about this is that it's such a (for the most part) insignificant article being promoted to a FA and on the main page. Not only is it eerily short, its subject is incredibly obscure. A lot of the time it is less hassle to write about obscure topics. Few people trying to POV push and less worrying about what rates inclusion. -- geni _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Philip Sandifer-2
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On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Flameviper Velifang wrote: > What makes me uncomfortable about this is that it's such a (for the > most part) insignificant article being promoted to a FA and on the > main page. Not only is it eerily short, its subject is incredibly > obscure. I disagree on the obscurity - the main academic book on trash cinema has 17 separate index mentions of it, including two separate ten page sections on the film. -Phil _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Oldak Quill
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2008/9/24 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@...>:
>> We're never going to catch up! (A bad thing because not all FAs will >> be main page featured; a good thing because there are so many more >> FAs.) > > We could start featuring two articles a day. One from a traditional > encyclopaedic topic and one from a pop-culture topic, perhaps. That's a false division of content. Wikipedia merely has more space for pop-culture topics than traditional paper encyclopedias. Anyway, pop culture on Wikipedia is one of our greatest assets - it attracts a lot of new users who would not otherwise read encyclopedia articles. -- Oldak Quill (oldakquill@...) _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Charlotte Webb
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On 9/24/08, Philip Sandifer <snowspinner@...> wrote:
> I disagree on the obscurity - the main academic book on trash cinema > has 17 separate index mentions of it, including two separate ten page > sections on the film. In other words, a lot more could have been written, but unfortunately wasn't. :/ —C.W. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Philip Sandifer-2
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On Sep 24, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Charlotte Webb wrote: > On 9/24/08, Philip Sandifer <snowspinner@...> wrote: >> I disagree on the obscurity - the main academic book on trash cinema >> has 17 separate index mentions of it, including two separate ten page >> sections on the film. > > In other words, a lot more could have been written, but > unfortunately wasn't. :/ Half of the article's citations are to that book. -Phil _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
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Re: Featured article - "Mom and Dad"
by Charlotte Webb
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On 9/24/08, Oldak Quill <oldakquill@...> wrote:
>> We could start featuring two articles a day. One from a traditional >> encyclopaedic topic and one from a pop-culture topic, perhaps. > > That's a false division of content. Wikipedia merely has more space > for pop-culture topics than traditional paper encyclopedias. Anyway, > pop culture on Wikipedia is one of our greatest assets - it attracts a > lot of new users who would not otherwise read encyclopedia articles. It also attracts deletionists who would otherwise have nothing to bitch about, or would they find something else? *shrug* —C.W. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@... To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
