Fallen Rider from Shiftn Steel MC- Sunday

[sassydiva]

  Coffee aka Jason was called to God this morning at 11:29am.Coffee was on a
ride that he loved so much that he shared it with all of us from time to
time.Due to mechanical error of his motorcycle,my brother,my friend,great
dad to his son,great man to his fiance',loyal son to his parents was
severely injured and passed away this morning.We all think about death from
time to time and we all shy away from the impossible conversation,I can
personally tell you that Coffee loved the bike and everything about bike
riding.This day he passed away loving what he enjoyed...motorcycles!! I told
people this before and I will say it again..call someone you haven't talk to
in a while and tell them you love them,call someone you don't speak to
anymore and tell them you love them.Don't wait 5 minutes because that may be
4 minutes too late. I LOVE COFFEE AND I'M GONNA MISS MY FRIEND,MY PARTNER,MY
BROTHER.I love all you folks who read this...in Jesus name...Amen!

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[Danny Motorcycle]

Sorry to hear of your loss.

What was the mechanical error?


- Danny
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[sassydiva]

thank you very much... The club isn't saying. I belong to a gazillion yahoo
groups, so the only thing that was said on the email blast was "mechanical
error".



On 6/30/08, Danny Motorcycle <motorpsychol@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear of your loss.
>
> What was the mechanical error?
>
>
> - Danny
>



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[sassydiva]

if you click on the link below, one of his club members did this tribute to
him..


http://www.shiftnsteelsportriderz.com/coffeeinfo.html




On 6/30/08, Danny Motorcycle <motorpsychol@...> wrote:

> Sorry to hear of your loss.
>
> What was the mechanical error?
>
>
> - Danny
>



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[Wayne Edelen-2]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:21 AM, SassyDiva <sassydivaghr@...> wrote:
> thank you very much... The club isn't saying. I belong to a gazillion yahoo
> groups, so the only thing that was said on the email blast was "mechanical
> error".


I assume the rider was Jason Farley?  I searched online and found this article - http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1431196


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[Aki Damme-2]

I'm not sure where the "defective" bike part comes in. According to the
article, he just
went to fast and lost control.

??

-aki


On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Wayne Edelen <happyscrappyheropup@...>
wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:21 AM, SassyDiva <sassydivaghr@...> wrote:
> > thank you very much... The club isn't saying. I belong to a gazillion
> yahoo
> > groups, so the only thing that was said on the email blast was
> "mechanical
> > error".
>
>
> I assume the rider was Jason Farley?  I searched online and found this
> article - http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1431196
>
>
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[sassydiva]

unfortunately i wasnt there so i really cannot comment, i can only go on
what his club sent out, however i agree with wayne, no matter the cause my
heart goes out to his family, especially his infant son. im a single parent,
and i dont wish single parenthood on my worst enemy.

On 7/2/08, Aki Damme <01dyna@...> wrote:

>
> I'm not sure where the "defective" bike part comes in. According to the
> article, he just
> went to fast and lost control.
>
> ??
>
> -aki
>
>
>  On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Wayne Edelen <
> happyscrappyheropup@...> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:21 AM, SassyDiva <sassydivaghr@...> wrote:
>> > thank you very much... The club isn't saying. I belong to a gazillion
>> yahoo
>> > groups, so the only thing that was said on the email blast was
>> "mechanical
>> > error".
>>
>>
>> I assume the rider was Jason Farley?  I searched online and found this
>> article - http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1431196
>>
>>
>> -- Wayne
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>

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[Aki Damme-2]

agreed.  Even more tragic if it was due to excessive speed.



On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:30 PM, SassyDiva <sassydivaghr@...> wrote:

> unfortunately i wasnt there so i really cannot comment, i can only go on
> what his club sent out, however i agree with wayne, no matter the cause my
> heart goes out to his family, especially his infant son. im a single parent,
> and i dont wish single parenthood on my worst enemy.
>
>
> On 7/2/08, Aki Damme <01dyna@...> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure where the "defective" bike part comes in. According to the
>> article, he just
>> went to fast and lost control.
>>
>> ??
>>
>> -aki
>>
>>
>>  On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Wayne Edelen <
>> happyscrappyheropup@...> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:21 AM, SassyDiva <sassydivaghr@...>
>>> wrote:
>>> > thank you very much... The club isn't saying. I belong to a gazillion
>>> yahoo
>>> > groups, so the only thing that was said on the email blast was
>>> "mechanical
>>> > error".
>>>
>>>
>>> I assume the rider was Jason Farley?  I searched online and found this
>>> article - http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1431196
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Wayne
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dc-cycles mailing list
>>> dc-cycles@...
>>> http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sassy Diva
> Do What You Can Stand

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[Wayne Edelen-2]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Aki Damme <01dyna@...> wrote:
> agreed.  Even more tragic if it was due to excessive speed.


Technically, it's the deceleration, right?

On the surface it sounds like an inexperienced rider on a sportbike,
sharp curve, target fixation, ride right into the guardrail.  But I
don't trust what the cops nor eyewitnesses say, since death from
equipment failure is extremely rare and "excessive speed" is tacked on
to just about every single accident.

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[Aki Damme-2]

Yep and the fact that he was on an R6 automatically means he must of been
speeding. ;-)



On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Wayne Edelen <happyscrappyheropup@...>
wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Aki Damme <01dyna@...> wrote:
> > agreed.  Even more tragic if it was due to excessive speed.
>
>
> Technically, it's the deceleration, right?
>
> On the surface it sounds like an inexperienced rider on a sportbike,
> sharp curve, target fixation, ride right into the guardrail.  But I
> don't trust what the cops nor eyewitnesses say, since death from
> equipment failure is extremely rare and "excessive speed" is tacked on
> to just about every single accident.
>
> -- Wayne
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[Danny Motorcycle]

Well he looks like an experienced rider based on some net photos i've
seen...

It can't be "due to speed" because I have sped on every bike i've owned and
ridden since my first ninja 250.

It's rare but it's possible that there was an equiptment malfunction. THe
master fuse could have blown,  the chain could have popped
(and even caught up in teh sprocket) and caused a crash, there are things
that  can malfunction and cause a crash.

The article didn't give any specifics on how he crashed.. so theorizing is
premature at this point. IMO
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[smthng else]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Danny Motorcycle <motorpsychol@...> wrote:
> It can't be "due to speed" because I have sped on every bike i've owned and
> ridden since my first ninja 250.

Because you've sped on every bike you've owned, another rider couldn't
have crashed because he was going to fast?!?  That's makes about as
much sense as broccoli on ice cream.  Is this another attempt to fire
up your argument affectionately categorized as "it's not speed, but
the incredible and intense sudden lack of speed"...  ?

No offense to anyone, but answers like "We don't want to say what the
cause was" leaves the impression to me that the problem wasn't the
bike.  Feel free to correct (unless your name is Danny and you're
going to try to convince everyone that speed has nothing to do with
anything bad that ever happens).

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[Aki Damme-2]

well, I'm not going to get into the argument of "speed kills".  Because , in
my opinion, the
faster you go, the less room for error you have and the more severe the
consequences of
those errors.

Anyway, you're right. The article didn't indicate *any* mechanical
malfunction.  In fact, the
only reference, that I can recall, about a mechanical problem, was in the
initial
announcement to this list of his accident.



On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Danny Motorcycle <motorpsychol@...>
wrote:

> Well he looks like an experienced rider based on some net photos i've
> seen...
>
> It can't be "due to speed" because I have sped on every bike i've owned and
> ridden since my first ninja 250.
>
> It's rare but it's possible that there was an equiptment malfunction. THe
> master fuse could have blown,  the chain could have popped
> (and even caught up in teh sprocket) and caused a crash, there are things
> that  can malfunction and cause a crash.
>
> The article didn't give any specifics on how he crashed.. so theorizing is
> premature at this point. IMO
>

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[LindaT.]

Did anyone read any of the comments to the WTOP article?  Those folks
were very harsh.  The dead rider's cousin was on there trying to
mitigate some of the comments, but they just ganged up on him, too.  He
also said something about a bubble in the rear tire that blew and caused
the crash.

They don't like us much out there.

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[Michael Jordan]

> ...and "excessive speed" is tacked on
> to just about every single accident.

"excessive speed" is not necessarily speeding - just too fast for conditions.

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[Aki Damme-2]

According to one of the articles I read, the police said he was going "in
excess of 100mph".

And that his friends and family had historically called him "reckless".



-aki


On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Michael Jordan <mjordan812@...> wrote:

> > ...and "excessive speed" is tacked on
> > to just about every single accident.
>
> "excessive speed" is not necessarily speeding - just too fast for
> conditions.
>
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[Michael Jordan]

> Because , in my opinion, the
> faster you go, the less room for error you have and the more severe the
> consequences of those errors.

Anything that can be expressed mathematcially isn't opinon - it's
fact. The above statements can so be expressed.

As Danny said:  "The article didn't give any specifics on how he
crashed.. so theorizing is premature at this point."

Pretty much futile, also. Riding is lotsa fun, but there's precious
little margin for error. Keep safe, stay aware of your surroundings
and don't do anything stupid.

This originated with pilots, but applies to bikers: "There are old
pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots."

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[skip-10]

another one that transfers is: An expert pilot uses his expert judgment
so that he doesn't have to use his expert skills.

Michael Jordan wrote:
> This originated with pilots, but applies to bikers: "There are old
> pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots."
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[Danny Motorcycle]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:37 PM, smthng else <smthngelse@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Danny Motorcycle <motorpsychol@...>
> wrote:
> > It can't be "due to speed" because I have sped on every bike i've owned
> and
> > ridden since my first ninja 250.
>
> Because you've sped on every bike you've owned, another rider couldn't
> have crashed because he was going to fast?!?


That is correct. If you make a statement then the statement should be
universally true. If I some how am not dead because of speed,
we cannot say speed = death, because obviouisly it doesn't.

due = cause
speed alone does not cause crashes.
failure to turn or stop from hitting an object is either rider skill or
judgement or both.
How does a concept of "distance/time"  cause a crash?  That's like blaming
guns for violence.
That's like saying guns kill.  Guns dont' kill. Guns don't get up and aim at
someone fire off.
The same with motorcycles... motorcycles don't speed by themselves and
murder riders,
not all shooting guns kill, and not all speeding bikes kill. Comprende?
speed does not kill.
It can only be a factor in an incident.


> That's makes about as
> much sense as broccoli on ice cream.


What food does "make sense" ?   Have you tried it?  Someone may like it. Who
are you to knock it?  what about french fries and ice  cream,
does that "not make sense to you" ?    Am I crazy because I like it? am I
senseless?



>  Is this another attempt to fire
> up your argument affectionately categorized as "it's not speed, but
> the incredible and intense sudden lack of speed"...  ?


That's not my arguement, that was someone else's addition to the speed kills
arguement, However I do agree with it.


> No