Facebook transport

[Simon Tennant]

We would like to connect our network to Facebook's.

I was reading the following article about how Adium got things working:

http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/facebook-chat-api/

Our backend is currently an SVN-almost-trunk of ejabberd.

I was thinking that the best way to think about doing this is via custom
transport similar to how PyMSN works.

How would you approach this problem?  (No, Facebook are not returning my
calls about XMPP federation.)

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[Michael Ossareh-2]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Simon Tennant <simon@...> wrote:

> We would like to connect our network to Facebook's.
>
> I was reading the following article about how Adium got things working:
>
> http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/facebook-chat-api/
>
> Our backend is currently an SVN-almost-trunk of ejabberd.
>
> I was thinking that the best way to think about doing this is via custom
> transport similar to how PyMSN works.
>
> How would you approach this problem?  (No, Facebook are not returning my
> calls about XMPP federation.)
>
> D.
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We have facebook integrated through XMPP. They're not doing a full
launch for some reason. I spoke to Henri at facebook and he was rather
skittish about XMPP access; citing security reasons for not wanting
facebook users to input their username/passwords for facebook into
other sites.

Since they're working over XMPP we merely took our gateway code and
integrated the XMPP layer. Pretty much exactly what we do with gtalk.
The primary bit we had to work on was their auth.

Ebuddy have recently launched facebook chat by doing it the way that
adium do it. We emailed facebook to see if they'd given ebuddy some
early bird access and they said they don't condone that type of usage,
its outside of the terms of service, and they're not sure what they'll
do to people that abuse that. I say do it - but be aware :)


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[Simon Tennant]

Michael Ossareh wrote:

> We have facebook integrated through XMPP. They're not doing a full
> launch for some reason. I spoke to Henri at facebook and he was rather
> skittish about XMPP access; citing security reasons for not wanting
> facebook users to input their username/passwords for facebook into
> other sites.

This is good to know.  And the "right" way to have it working. I can
understand their fear of users entering passwords outside of Facebook.
Still it would be nice if they opened their platform to openID.

> Since they're working over XMPP we merely took our gateway code and
> integrated the XMPP layer. Pretty much exactly what we do with gtalk.
> The primary bit we had to work on was their auth.

I am not sure I understand this: I thought you were running an ejabberd
server and would therefore be able to just do an XMPP to XMPP connect.
Or are you logging in as a facebook user/pass and passing the
credentials upstream to Facebook's XMPP cloud?

> Ebuddy have recently launched facebook chat by doing it the way that
> adium do it. We emailed facebook to see if they'd given ebuddy some
> early bird access and they said they don't condone that type of usage,
> its outside of the terms of service, and they're not sure what they'll
> do to people that abuse that. I say do it - but be aware :)

If you have a Facebook XMPP contact I'd be very I'd be most grateful.
Could you ping me off list with an intro.

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[Mickaël Rémond-3]

Hello,

Le 30 sept. 08 à 14:12, Simon Tennant a écrit :

Michael Ossareh wrote:

We have facebook integrated through XMPP. They're not doing a full

launch for some reason. I spoke to Henri at facebook and he was rather

skittish about XMPP access; citing security reasons for not wanting

facebook users to input their username/passwords for facebook into

other sites.

This is good to know.  And the "right" way to have it working. I can
understand their fear of users entering passwords outside of Facebook.
Still it would be nice if they opened their platform to openID.

They can implement delegated credentials that will only provide limited rights (through OAuth for example).

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[Michael Ossareh-2]

>> Since they're working over XMPP we merely took our gateway code and
>> integrated the XMPP layer. Pretty much exactly what we do with gtalk.
>> The primary bit we had to work on was their auth.
>
> I am not sure I understand this: I thought you were running an ejabberd
> server and would therefore be able to just do an XMPP to XMPP connect.
> Or are you logging in as a facebook user/pass and passing the
> credentials upstream to Facebook's XMPP cloud?

We have some specific requirements here that meant we needed a
gateway/transport versus using a s2s connection.



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[Michael Ossareh-2]

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Mickaël Rémond
<mickael.remond@...> wrote:

> Hello,
> Le 30 sept. 08 à 14:12, Simon Tennant a écrit :
>
> Michael Ossareh wrote:
>
> We have facebook integrated through XMPP. They're not doing a full
>
> launch for some reason. I spoke to Henri at facebook and he was rather
>
> skittish about XMPP access; citing security reasons for not wanting
>
> facebook users to input their username/passwords for facebook into
>
> other sites.
>
> This is good to know.  And the "right" way to have it working. I can
> understand their fear of users entering passwords outside of Facebook.
> Still it would be nice if they opened their platform to openID.
>
> They can implement delegated credentials that will only provide limited
> rights (through OAuth for example).

I suggested this and their feedback was that they do  not believe this
will work; people only have one password - asking their users to have
a "less secure" password didn't work. I suggested that they use OAuth
(which would be bad for us) and then the topic of fooling users into
non-official facebook branded sites came up. Overall - it just feels
like they're being overly paranoid.

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