Well, maybe look at Java Generics. While generics improved Java a lot,
it was still basically done wrong and rtti about generic types is not
preserved. Also look at the complex rules for the strange cases (which
I think people avoid in practice).
However, this would all be an academic/intellectual argument, and I
have found this approach to be quite ineffective in the past. Oh well.
Ian
On 21/06/2008, at 7:25 PM, brucemount wrote:
> Eiffelers:
>
> I know that YEARS ago Ian (and maybe others?) put together a fantastic
> comparison between Java and Eiffel and Bertrand wrote his famous
> posting (correctly) questioning the technical merits of Java.
> Hindsight has proven Bertrand's posting was on the mark, but Sun's
> marketing power trumped rational discussion at the time (and even
> today).
>
> It happens that I *may* be talking to some a company in the next few
> weeks that is using Java and I was thinking of lobbing my opinion into
> the mix when I see them. However, I have not used Java much and I
> realize that it has evolved quite a bit over the years with many
> add-on tools that, for better or worse, help programmers put together
> end-to-end systems.
>
> 1. Is there an updated version of the Java vs Eiffel paper that
> reflects the current Java language and tools?
>
> 2. If so, where is it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Bruce
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