EV Debate

[Joseph T.]

I thought this might be a little OT but I think it's close enough. :)
I do Policy Debate at my school, and this year the topic is whether,
"The United States federal government should substantially increase
alternative energy incentives in the United States." I'm psyched about
this topic, since I'm into alt. fuels, but finding good evidence can
be difficult. In Policy Debate you need evidence from experts or think
tanks or that sort, to back up your arguments.

I've already looked for some evidence of my own, but does anyone know
of any good books or links with info relating to this?

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[Dale Ulan]

>"The United States federal government should substantially increase
>alternative energy incentives in the United States." I'm psyched about
>this topic, since I'm into alt. fuels, but finding good evidence can
>be difficult. In Policy Debate you need evidence from experts or think
>tanks or that sort, to back up your arguments.
>I've already looked for some evidence of my own, but does anyone know
>of any good books or links with info relating to this?


This is just something I kinda threw together that does a quick
anti-doom-and-gloom view of 'if we work on it now this might work'.
It's not that carefully scientific, but more of an order-of-magnitude
look at energy alternatives. I did this page to provide something
other than a doom scenario, and EV's are a central part of it,
along with some kind of efficient biofuel (hopefully algae diesel
and jet fuel, if that works out) for the industries that need it
like agriculture and aviation. I have even thought about how we
can make nitrogen fertilizer without natural gas!

http://www.10000cows.com/energy_page.htm

I don't know if it is useful, but I find the energy use to be
quite interesting. One thing that most people forget about is
the efficiency of the fuel process. Most oil is used for internal
combustion engines which, on a good day, hit 35%. If you correct
the US oil consumption with typical engine efficiency (average
between diesel and gasoline), then correct for typical
battery-motor efficiency, the numbers do not look nearly as dire.

Have a good EV day. I rode my bike today, but I did take the
wind-powered C-train to work yesterday - 600V overhead wire,
Siemens AC motors on the wheels.

-Dale

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[zyewdall]

How do you define "expert" and "think tank"   Exxon and others like them
fund alot of think tanks that are really nothing more than shams to promote
their position.

I'd try researching data from various European countries and Japan, which
have had much much higher levels of government funding of RE research and
incentives -- and much larger markets for it and jobs created by it as well
-- whether the larger market and more jobs is the cause or effect is the
question.  One result is that we can't reliably get solar panels here in the
US this summer because they're all going to Europe who is willing to pay
more for them.

Z

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Joseph T. <jat1793@...> wrote:

> I thought this might be a little OT but I think it's close enough. :)
> I do Policy Debate at my school, and this year the topic is whether,
> "The United States federal government should substantially increase
> alternative energy incentives in the United States." I'm psyched about
> this topic, since I'm into alt. fuels, but finding good evidence can
> be difficult. In Policy Debate you need evidence from experts or think
> tanks or that sort, to back up your arguments.
>
> I've already looked for some evidence of my own, but does anyone know
> of any good books or links with info relating to this?
>
> _______________________________________________
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[Joseph T.]

"Exxon and others like them fund alot of think tanks that are really
nothing more than shams to promote their position."

Unfortunately, this kind of stuff counts as evidence. However, you can
argue that the source is slanted because of this.


On 7/5/08, Zeke Yewdall <zyewdall@...> wrote:

> How do you define "expert" and "think tank"   Exxon and others like them
> fund alot of think tanks that are really nothing more than shams to promote
> their position.
>
> I'd try researching data from various European countries and Japan, which
> have had much much higher levels of government funding of RE research and
> incentives -- and much larger markets for it and jobs created by it as well
> -- whether the larger market and more jobs is the cause or effect is the
> question.  One result is that we can't reliably get solar panels here in the
> US this summer because they're all going to Europe who is willing to pay
> more for them.
>
> Z
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Joseph T. <jat1793@...> wrote:
>
> > I thought this might be a little OT but I think it's close enough. :)
> > I do Policy Debate at my school, and this year the topic is whether,
> > "The United States federal government should substantially increase
> > alternative energy incentives in the United States." I'm psyched about
> > this topic, since I'm into alt. fuels, but finding good evidence can
> > be difficult. In Policy Debate you need evidence from experts or think
> > tanks or that sort, to back up your arguments.
> >
> > I've already looked for some evidence of my own, but does anyone know
> > of any good books or links with info relating to this?
> >
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[Tom Meyers]

There is a magazine called  "Solar Power" That covers some of that.  Also on the newstands is "Green Car Journal" ISSN 1059-6143. [phone]
I Believe Germany has backed Alternatives (especially photovoltaic)  in a big way. You may want to see how their programs are working out.
You certainly have picked a controversial subject.
Tom Meyers

Joseph T. wrote:

I thought this might be a little OT but I think it's close enough. :)
I do Policy Debate at my school, and this year the topic is whether,
"The United States federal government should substantially increase
alternative energy incentives in the United States." I'm psyched about
this topic, since I'm into alt. fuels, but finding good evidence can
be difficult. In Policy Debate you need evidence from experts or think
tanks or that sort, to back up your arguments.

I've already looked for some evidence of my own, but does anyone know
of any good books or links with info relating to this?

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