E250 temperatures

[Phil Stracchino-3]

Sridhar Ayengar wrote:

> Bill Bradford wrote:
>> [0] Of course, SunHELP has to fall behind "job that pays the bills" and
>> "family", etc, in terms of priority.  I don't even make income from
>> Google
>> ads anymore, so any time spent on it is "profitless" compared to
>> consulting
>> work, etc.
>
> I really wish I wasn't perpetually so close to broke, so that I might be
> able to thank you properly.  Maybe someday.

Honestly, I think these days *a lot* of people are "perpetually close to
broke".


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[Lionel Peterson]

>From: Phil Stracchino <alaric@...>
>Date: 2008/04/14 Mon AM 05:43:39 CDT
>To: The Rescue List <rescue@...>
>Subject: Re: [rescue] E250 temperatures

>Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
>> Bill Bradford wrote:
>>> [0] Of course, SunHELP has to fall behind "job that pays the bills" and
>>> "family", etc, in terms of priority.  I don't even make income from
>>> Google
>>> ads anymore, so any time spent on it is "profitless" compared to
>>> consulting
>>> work, etc.
>>
>> I really wish I wasn't perpetually so close to broke, so that I might be
>> able to thank you properly.  Maybe someday.
>
>Honestly, I think these days *a lot* of people are "perpetually close to
>broke".

Yep, saw a bunch of them at Starbucks this past weekend... The tip cup had very little in it, though the lines were just as long as always...

Lionel
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[Patrick Giagnocavo 717-201-3366]

Lionel Peterson wrote:

> Yep, saw a bunch of them at Starbucks this past weekend... The tip
> cup had very little in it, though the lines were just as long as
> always...


I am amazed that for all the supposed "recession" we are in, that the
mall parking lot is always so full, even on say, Wednesday at 1:30PM.

Either Lancaster, PA is some special case, or things are not quite as
bad as al-Reuters would have us believe.

--Patrick
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:
> Either Lancaster, PA is some special case, or things are not quite as
> bad as al-Reuters would have us believe.

I personally know of people who are continuing to spend against their
credit cards for shit they don't need even as they're about to lose
their house.  People are stupid.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Robert Pasken]

Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:

> Lionel Peterson wrote:
>
>> Yep, saw a bunch of them at Starbucks this past weekend... The tip
>> cup had very little in it, though the lines were just as long as
>> always...
>
>
> I am amazed that for all the supposed "recession" we are in, that the
> mall parking lot is always so full, even on say, Wednesday at 1:30PM.
>
> Either Lancaster, PA is some special case, or things are not quite as
> bad as al-Reuters would have us believe.
>
> --Patrick
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There were two new Starbucks in my "neighborhood", both were open only
few months before closing due to a lack of business. The malls around
here are empty even on a Saturday afternoon and the mall closest to home
is closing due to a lack of business. Although my own neighborhood is
stable due to the fact that most of the residents are older with nearly
grown children, there are a number of others close by that have more
than 50% homes empty due to foreclosure. It is not uncommon to see
personal possessions stacked on the curb. Things are pretty grim around
here. My brother tells pretty much the same story for upstate New York
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[Dan Sikorski]

Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> I personally know of people who are continuing to spend against their
> credit cards for shit they don't need even as they're about to lose
> their house.  People are stupid.
I would bet that they say absurd things about how they "deserve" a
pedicure, dinner out at a restaurant, a new tv, or whatever else they're
buying while they do it too.  I don't know where people get their sense
of entitlement.

Some might say that I'm the pot calling the kettle black, I blow tons of
money on stuff i don't need, but I'm far from losing my house.  The only
living things that i am responsible for are myself and a couple house
plants, and i am more responsible than many who have families to look
out for.

    -Dan Sikorski
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[William Enestvedt]

And I got excited the first time I exchanged email with Bill Bradford,
who holds all of Sun Help and the Rescue List in his hands. :7) Paying
it forward, on and on.

- Will
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[der Mouse]

>> (The primary reason for the switch was that I got a UPS and wanted
>> to put the DNS sever on it, and the -3/60 sucks down a lot more
>> power than the DNARD I moved it to.)
> How did you end up with a DNARD?

Through one of the NetBSD lists, port-arm I think it was - someone from
whichever list it was had some looking for homes, and I spoke up.

> I wish I had a bit more variety in action.  Maybe I'll rack mount an
> EFIKA someday.

I like variety.  I've got NetBSD/sparc, /i386, /shark, and /alpha
running right now, and a bunch more that I could boot easily - /sun3,
/vax, /mac68k, /sparc64, and possibly /next68k ("possibly" because I
don't remember whether my next68k boot area is in working shape).  I
have a /macppc machine set up as well, but it wouldn't turn on last
time I tried, and I didn't care enough to bother working out why -
could be as simple as power unplugged for all I know.

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[Jonathan C. Patschke]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:

>> Yep, saw a bunch of them at Starbucks this past weekend... The tip
>> cup had very little in it, though the lines were just as long as
>> always...
>
> I am amazed that for all the supposed "recession" we are in, that the
> mall parking lot is always so full, even on say, Wednesday at 1:30PM.

Until the credit crunch get fully spun-up, people can still buy imported
slave-labor goods with plastic.  The underlying tragedy is how much
energy was poured into our retail sector, how much land was
reappropriated to build those retail centers, and how many people rely
on a healthy retail sector to pay -their- bills.

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[Skeezics Boondoggle-2]

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, "r.stricklin" wrote:

[...]

> Which is a long long way from this:
>
> Mach kernel version:
> Darwin Kernel Version 9.2.2: Tue Mar  4 21:17:34 PST 2008;
> root:xnu-1228.4.31~1/RELEASE_I386
> Kernel configured for up to 8 processors.
> 8 processors are physically available.
> 8 processors are logically available.
> Processor type: i486 (Intel 80486)
> Processors active: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
> Primary memory available: 8.00 gigabytes
> Default processor set: 94 tasks, 517 threads, 8 processors
> Load average: 0.50, Mach factor: 7.49

Whoa.  I just caught this.  You're running Darwin on an 8-way 486 box
with 8GB of RAM?  What make and model?  That's very curious.


Here's the only semi-interesting one I have laying about:

System Configuration:  Sun Microsystems  sun4d CYRS,Superserver-6400
System clock frequency: 55 MHz
Memory size: 3072Mb
Number of XDBuses: 4

                 CPU Units: Frequency Cache-Size
              0: MHz MB   1: MHz MB   2: MHz MB   3: MHz MB
              ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
Board  0:        85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0
Board  1:        85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0
Board  2:        85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0
Board  3:        85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0
Board  4:        85 2.0      85 2.0
Board  5:        85 2.0

                 Memory Units: Group Size
              0: MB   1: MB   2: MB   3: MB
              -----   -----   -----   -----
Board  0:       128     128     128     128
Board  1:       128     128     128     128
Board  2:       128     128     128     128
Board  3:       128     128     128     128
Board  4:         0       0       0       0
Board  5:       256     256     256     256

======================SBus Cards======================================

Board0:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
               0: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
               1: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
                  lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
               2: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
               3: qec/qe(network)       'SUNW,595-3198'

Board1:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
               0: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
               1: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
               2: ba                    'SUNW,SAHI-3'
               3: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'

Board2:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
               0: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
               1: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
               2: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
                  lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
               3: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'

Board3:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
               0: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
               1: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
               2: IKON,ihcp             'IKON,10104,5,6'
               3: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'

Board4:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
               0: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
               1: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
               2: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
                  lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
               3: IKON,ihcp             'IKON,10104,5,6'

Board5:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
               0: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
                  lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
               1: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
                  lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
               2: SUNW,hme              'SUNW,501-2919'
               3: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
                  lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'

For diagnostic information,
see /var/opt/CYRSssp/rocket/messages on the SSP.

I'd love to fire that beastie up again and fill up the empty SIMM
slots, maybe even add in the power supplies and 7 more system boards
from the other machine... The I/O cabinet has 7 disk trays in it, with
~ 3 drives on each of 14 of those SCSI buses.  And lots of fans.
Enough upward airflow to put on some goggles and jumpsuit and hover
over the machine.  Can't do THAT with a T1000. :-)

-- Chris
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[Joshua Boyd]

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 14:44 -0700, Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, "r.stricklin" wrote:
>
> [...]
> > Which is a long long way from this:
> >
> > Mach kernel version:
> > Darwin Kernel Version 9.2.2: Tue Mar  4 21:17:34 PST 2008;
> > root:xnu-1228.4.31~1/RELEASE_I386
> > Kernel configured for up to 8 processors.
> > 8 processors are physically available.
> > 8 processors are logically available.
> > Processor type: i486 (Intel 80486)
> > Processors active: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
> > Primary memory available: 8.00 gigabytes
> > Default processor set: 94 tasks, 517 threads, 8 processors
> > Load average: 0.50, Mach factor: 7.49
>
> Whoa.  I just caught this.  You're running Darwin on an 8-way 486 box
> with 8GB of RAM?  What make and model?  That's very curious.

I'm going to hazard a guess that it is a Mac Pro.

> Here's the only semi-interesting one I have laying about:
>
> System Configuration:  Sun Microsystems  sun4d CYRS,Superserver-6400
> System clock frequency: 55 MHz
> Memory size: 3072Mb
> Number of XDBuses: 4
>
>                  CPU Units: Frequency Cache-Size
>               0: MHz MB   1: MHz MB   2: MHz MB   3: MHz MB
>               ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
> Board  0:        85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0
> Board  1:        85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0
> Board  2:        85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0
> Board  3:        85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0      85 2.0
> Board  4:        85 2.0      85 2.0
> Board  5:        85 2.0
>
>                  Memory Units: Group Size
>               0: MB   1: MB   2: MB   3: MB
>               -----   -----   -----   -----
> Board  0:       128     128     128     128
> Board  1:       128     128     128     128
> Board  2:       128     128     128     128
> Board  3:       128     128     128     128
> Board  4:         0       0       0       0
> Board  5:       256     256     256     256
>
> ======================SBus Cards======================================
>
> Board0:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
>                0: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>                1: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
>                   lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
>                2: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>                3: qec/qe(network)       'SUNW,595-3198'
>
> Board1:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
>                0: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>                1: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>                2: ba                    'SUNW,SAHI-3'
>                3: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>
> Board2:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
>                0: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>                1: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>                2: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
>                   lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
>                3: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>
> Board3:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
>                0: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>                1: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>                2: IKON,ihcp             'IKON,10104,5,6'
>                3: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>
> Board4:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
>                0: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>                1: QLGC,isp/sd(block)    'QLGC,ISP1000'
>                2: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
>                   lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
>                3: IKON,ihcp             'IKON,10104,5,6'
>
> Board5:        SBus clock frequency: 20 MHz
>                0: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
>                   lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
>                1: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
>                   lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
>                2: SUNW,hme              'SUNW,501-2919'
>                3: dma/esp(scsi)         'SUNW,500-1902'
>                   lebuffer/le(network)  'SUNW,500-1902'
>
> For diagnostic information,
> see /var/opt/CYRSssp/rocket/messages on the SSP.
>
> I'd love to fire that beastie up again and fill up the empty SIMM
> slots, maybe even add in the power supplies and 7 more system boards
> from the other machine... The I/O cabinet has 7 disk trays in it, with
> ~ 3 drives on each of 14 of those SCSI buses.  And lots of fans.
> Enough upward airflow to put on some goggles and jumpsuit and hover
> over the machine.  Can't do THAT with a T1000. :-)

And that is another lovely sight.
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[Bill Bradford]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 02:44:21PM -0700, Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:
> I'd love to fire that beastie up again and fill up the empty SIMM
> slots, maybe even add in the power supplies and 7 more system boards
> from the other machine... The I/O cabinet has 7 disk trays in it, with
> ~ 3 drives on each of 14 of those SCSI buses.  And lots of fans.
> Enough upward airflow to put on some goggles and jumpsuit and hover
> over the machine.  Can't do THAT with a T1000. :-)

Yeah, I never feel like a machine is REALLY beefy unless it takes more than
10-15 minutes to run through a full diag boot (like the big Alpha boxes at
$JOB-1).

Bill

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[r.stricklin]

On Apr 14, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Joshua D. Boyd wrote:

> On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 14:44 -0700, Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:
>> Whoa.  I just caught this.  You're running Darwin on an 8-way 486 box
>> with 8GB of RAM?  What make and model?  That's very curious.
>
> I'm going to hazard a guess that it is a Mac Pro.

It is, indeed, Leopard on a Mac Pro. Xeon 5400.

ok
bear
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[William Enestvedt]

Skeezics teased us with:
>
> Enough upward airflow to put on some goggles and jumpsuit and
> hover over the machine.  Can't do THAT with a T1000. :-)
>

   Are you pulling my leg? That's pretty awesome.

- Will
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Johnson & Wales University, Providence, RI
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Bill Bradford wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 02:44:21PM -0700, Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:
>> I'd love to fire that beastie up again and fill up the empty SIMM
>> slots, maybe even add in the power supplies and 7 more system boards
>> from the other machine... The I/O cabinet has 7 disk trays in it, with
>> ~ 3 drives on each of 14 of those SCSI buses.  And lots of fans.
>> Enough upward airflow to put on some goggles and jumpsuit and hover
>> over the machine.  Can't do THAT with a T1000. :-)
>
> Yeah, I never feel like a machine is REALLY beefy unless it takes more than
> 10-15 minutes to run through a full diag boot (like the big Alpha boxes at
> $JOB-1).

I have a machine or two that take 45+ minutes to POST.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Charles Monett]

Bill Bradford wrote:
>
> Yeah, I never feel like a machine is REALLY beefy unless it takes more than
> 10-15 minutes to run through a full diag boot (like the big Alpha boxes at
> $JOB-1).
>
> Bill
Full diag boot? I'm unsure on that one, but my RS/6000's (7012-39H and
the 7011-220** being the main offenders, followed by the 7044-270, and
the 7044-170) would come close.

The only other complaints come from shipping and them saying something
about "here's your dead body".


** - Yes, I wouldn't call my -220 "beefy". However, it does get a
mention due to it being quite well constructed, and very resistant to
internal damage.
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[Carl R. Friend]

    On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Bill Bradford wrote:

> You do know, of course, that it was YOUR web pages that got me
> *started* on the whole "rescue old hardware" thing?  I ran across
> them while being a junior sysadmin at ionet.net in 1995, and have
> been hooked ever since.  ITS ALL YOUR FAULT. 8-)

    Those are words of high praise, sir, and I stand both flattered
and humbled by them.

    One of the great fears I have is that there won't be enough "new
blood" in the venture to keep the elder machines around until they
are actually understood to have valid historical worth.  I find it
wonderful that lists like this exist, and that there are younger
folks getting involved.  I just hope it's enough, because in a very
real sense we are conservators of a slice of rapidly-disappearing
history, and it's a very fragile history right now even though it's
an incredibly rich and compelling history.

> I still go "wow" every now and then when I see you post here.

    Thank you.

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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Charles Monett wrote:
>> Yeah, I never feel like a machine is REALLY beefy unless it takes
>> more than 10-15 minutes to run through a full diag boot (like the
>> big Alpha boxes at $JOB-1).
>>
>> Bill
> Full diag boot? I'm unsure on that one, but my RS/6000's (7012-39H
> and the 7011-220** being the main offenders, followed by the
> 7044-270, and the 7044-170) would come close.

Come on.  The 390H doesn't take long to boot.  It's somewhere between 5
and 10 minutes.

My ES/9000 takes an hour.  Maybe slightly more.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Patrick Finnegan]

On Monday 14 April 2008, Bill Bradford wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 02:44:21PM -0700, Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:
> > I'd love to fire that beastie up again and fill up the empty SIMM
> > slots, maybe even add in the power supplies and 7 more system
> > boards from the other machine... The I/O cabinet has 7 disk trays
> > in it, with ~ 3 drives on each of 14 of those SCSI buses.  And lots
> > of fans. Enough upward airflow to put on some goggles and jumpsuit
> > and hover over the machine.  Can't do THAT with a T1000. :-)
>
> Yeah, I never feel like a machine is REALLY beefy unless it takes
> more than 10-15 minutes to run through a full diag boot (like the big
> Alpha boxes at $JOB-1).

"Fast boot" turned on, on my SP high nodes, takes about 20 minutes until
it can boot.  Turned off, and doing a full test, figure more like 45
minutes...

Pat
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